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[leaguer of one]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
They would not get a red lyruim sword. This would besaying a cop would by an ak-47 to do their job.

No. you arleady have magical swords.
Besides, in certain countries cops do have assault rifles. And SWAT units (which templars resemble) to pack SMG's.

The fact she was restriacting,tranquiling, and investagating circle mages because she fealt they many be blood mages makes huge statement of her state of mind.

It sez preciouslly little actually. And even LESS on her plans and thoughts.

If the templar feel the circle is fill with blood mages, they are going to make plans to annual it. This is a very core part of th story and lore.

They arleady have a procedure in place.
What new plans do you need?

Meredith felt there were blood mages in mass in the circel from act 2, you don't think she would make plans to annual the circle just incase she was right?

And what is your PROOF that she bought the sword jsut for that purpose?
Not you theories, not your projections, not your conclusions.
PROOF.

And you don't think she would get a pure lyruim power up as part of her preparation to do so if she has to?

A better sword would be usefull in dealing with mages and abominations and qunari..and practicly everoyne for that matter.
Why are you singleing out the Annulment?

As for Hawke, this is a case of story /gameplay segregation. It matter not if Hawke changes his weapon, it's not part of the story.

No, it matters.
This argument makes even LESS sense than your previous ones.

"No. you arleady have magical swords.
Besides, in certain countries cops do have assault rifles. And SWAT units (which templars resemble) to pack SMG's."

Their's no way templars resemble swat teams in ny way. And even then the use is restricted to a mission to mission bases.

"It sez preciouslly little actually. And even LESS on her plans and thoughts."

The fact that she's doing this to hunt down blood mages means nothing?

"They arleady have a procedure in place.
What new plans do you need?"

Who sais anything about new plans? She;s just fortafying for the on coming assualt.

"And what is your PROOF that she bought the sword jsut for that purpose?
Not you theories, not your projections, not your conclusions.
PROOF."

Right because she turned it in a sword just because and she just bought the lyruim idol just because.

"A better sword would be usefull in dealing with mages and abominations and qunari..and practicly everoyne for that matter.
Why are you singleing out the Annulment?"

The issue is that she is seekin a better sword right at the tiem she suspect the circle is fill with nloood mages.

"No, it matters.
This argument makes even LESS sense than your previous ones."

No it does not. Have does  a player control weapon change have any relevency to the story?

[leaguer of one]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I'm no fan of Meredith, but even I wouldn't go so far as to say she had some dastardly plot to wipe out the Circle from the get-go when she took power after the Threnhold Uprising.

At most, I say those thoughts began to surface in Act 2 when she bought the broken (and more potent as a result) lyrium idol. But that was due to the lyrium idol, not her buying it because she already had the idea in her head.

I never said she started planning from act 1. But you have to ask you're self, why would she buy the idol if she did not plan to use it? No Templar every buy's lyruim with out the intent of using it in some form.

[Nightdragon8]

leaguer of one wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Probably because you never initially presented your argument like that.. You weren't talking of a Contingency plan you were saying that was her entire plan and this was fact. "She says it to Hawke in Act 3, go back and watch the scene" And no such scene occurred. did you forget you mentioning this? Your changing your argument because your losing

No i did not. I never said it was her plan form day one. You guy jump to that conclusion. All I said is that she bought the lyrium idol on the fact that she planned to use in to annual the circle. True, I did not state the degree of her plan but nothing i stated illustated I felt it was her first and only prioraty to annual the circle. You Jump to that conclusion.

I don't think Annulment had yet entered her mind, though. I'd been under the impression that she was merely strict rather than insane, before the idol starting playing around in her head.

She was turning mages tranquil form act one, she was investagation mages in the circle with a finetooth comb in act 2. It clear she fealt theiir were blood mages in hiding in the circle. It may not be her first plan that but it make good sense to think she was thinking about it just in case.

She clearly saw that the shy was cloudy from act 2, it make sense that she would get ready for the rain just to be sure.

Ok I'm going to point this out... All Knight Commanders know that they can do the "Annulment" if given enough cause.

From what I understand Mages get truned tranquil for alot of reasons, so just because mages where being made tranquill doesn't mean anything in Act I. She investagating mages is a job requirement. Which honestly she completely failed at considering the head of the circle was a bloodmage, so she is completly incompentet at her job. Which I think in Act II, started making her exremely paraniod.

Agian THe knight commanders all know that they may have to do it. Its nothing speical if Meridith thinks that, I wouldn't doubt the Knight commander in freldian somtimes though that maybe at one point he would have to kill every mage in the tower. Tho from how I read his actions was that in reality he didn't really want to do that.

While it seems Meridth was more apathetic to the idea.

Now the real issue here, What was the reason for her getting the idol. was I think more or less out of curiousity or to get lyrium outside of Chantry channels. (which is illegal so she wasn't compeltely lawful anyway) 

If it was out of curiousity, then it hung out on a shelf or desk near her. So then the idol begain its work. Making her already paranioa and suppestions even worse.

"In Act 3 Hawke can talk to Karras in the Gallows courtyard. He will tell Hawke that Meredith 'has sent to Val Royeaux for the Right of Annulment' which can give you the Codex entry: The Right of Annulment." Dragon age Wiki

So clearly by Act 3 she was outright planning to annul the circle. So thats why when the kirkwall chantery blew up she gladly did the Annulment.

I don't remember if in Act II if we see the Idol sword on her back or not...

[Rusty Sandusky]

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[leaguer of one]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Probably because you never initially presented your argument like that.. You weren't talking of a Contingency plan you were saying that was her entire plan and this was fact. "She says it to Hawke in Act 3, go back and watch the scene" And no such scene occurred. did you forget you mentioning this? Your changing your argument because your losing

No i did not. I never said it was her plan form day one. You guy jump to that conclusion. All I said is that she bought the lyrium idol on the fact that she planned to use in to annual the circle. True, I did not state the degree of her plan but nothing i stated illustated I felt it was her first and only prioraty to annual the circle. You Jump to that conclusion.

I don't think Annulment had yet entered her mind, though. I'd been under the impression that she was merely strict rather than insane, before the idol starting playing around in her head.

She was turning mages tranquil form act one, she was investagation mages in the circle with a finetooth comb in act 2. It clear she fealt theiir were blood mages in hiding in the circle. It may not be her first plan that but it make good sense to think she was thinking about it just in case.

She clearly saw that the shy was cloudy from act 2, it make sense that she would get ready for the rain just to be sure.

Ok I'm going to point this out... All Knight Commanders know that they can do the "Annulment" if given enough cause.

From what I understand Mages get truned tranquil for alot of reasons, so just because mages where being made tranquill doesn't mean anything in Act I. She investagating mages is a job requirement. Which honestly she completely failed at considering the head of the circle was a bloodmage, so she is completly incompentet at her job. Which I think in Act II, started making her exremely paraniod.

Agian THe knight commanders all know that they may have to do it. Its nothing speical if Meridith thinks that, I wouldn't doubt the Knight commander in freldian somtimes though that maybe at one point he would have to kill every mage in the tower. Tho from how I read his actions was that in reality he didn't really want to do that.

While it seems Meridth was more apathetic to the idea.

Now the real issue here, What was the reason for her getting the idol. was I think more or less out of curiousity or to get lyrium outside of Chantry channels. (which is illegal so she wasn't compeltely lawful anyway) 

If it was out of curiousity, then it hung out on a shelf or desk near her. So then the idol begain its work. Making her already paranioa and suppestions even worse.

"In Act 3 Hawke can talk to Karras in the Gallows courtyard. He will tell Hawke that Meredith 'has sent to Val Royeaux for the Right of Annulment' which can give you the Codex entry: The Right of Annulment." Dragon age Wiki

So clearly by Act 3 she was outright planning to annul the circle. So thats why when the kirkwall chantery blew up she gladly did the Annulment.

I don't remember if in Act II if we see the Idol sword on her back or not...

On the point on mages turning tranquil. They don't just turn tranquial In lore only mages who don't pass their harrowing or found to be blood mages are turn tranquil. The mage can request to become tranquil if they don't want to do their harrowing. So Yes it's a big point. The point is the templars in kirkwall were miss using the act of traquility as a weapon ageinst mages in stead of it's intended use.

On the point on annualment, Yes all knight commander see they have to do this but their usally no as big as a divide with the knight commander and the first enchanter on the issue. They both are fighting one another at every turn. In Kirkwalls case Orsino was hiding things at every case. The concept of mages and templar is that they were ment to work together originally and try to avoid the need of an annualment. That not the case here. Orsino's actions of keeping things hidden is feeding to Meredith's Paranioa. The fact  that thinks are getting worse from act 1 to 2 does not paint a picture that an annualment is not seen in the future. In all case, id the templars feel  the circle is filled with blood mages, they are going to take step to perpars to act just in case. Orsino's actions did nothing to nagate the fears of the templars.

On the issue on the idol.  The story makes it clear on the need the templars have on it and how they had it smuggled  into the tower. In fact one quest has you go throught the tunnels the templars have lyruim smuggled it. With the need and dependency templars have on lyruim, no way would one buy lyrium and not intend to us it. It the vey key to their power. Why would Meredith by lyrium and just place it in her office with no intention of using this. Als, templars normally have a strong faith in the chantry,which the chantry it self out laws anything off the occult and have templars hunt down heritics from time to time. Why would a templar ahve some strang idol around when their organisation strickly hunts items like this to destory and people who have them down?

As  for..
"In Act 3 Hawke can talk to Karras in the Gallows courtyard. He will tell Hawke that Meredith 'has sent to Val Royeaux for the Right of Annulment' which can give you the Codex entry: The Right of Annulment." Dragon age Wiki."

That just means she feel that it has to be down now not she is just planning for it then. My point is that I feel she was planning to do so as a last resort in act 2 and still trying to see other ways to do solve the circle issue with out taking the step to annual as of yet but slowly making step to prep for it just in case. Like how a person brings an umbrella with the when it cloudy just in case it rains. Their never is a 100% chance normally it will rain if it's cloud but it's better to have an umberlla just in case. It's the same concept.

And no she did not have the lyium sword in act 2.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 20 décembre 2013 - 12:15 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

The lengths some people will go to defend their headcanon as real...

Leaguer, you definitely are in the same tier as Seival and Erezike.

[leaguer of one]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The lengths some people will go to defend their headcanon as real...

Leaguer, you definitely are in the same tier as Seival and Erezike.

I don't see is as a head cannon if the person if the meredith suspect the circle  to have blood mage from act 2 and tat templar always buy lyrium with the intent of usng it. How I'm I wrong to thing she made plans to annual  the tower in case she has to?

[Lotion Soronarr]

leaguer of one wrote...
Their's no way templars resemble swat teams in ny way. And even then the use is restricted to a mission to mission bases.

You mean they aren't an elite combat unit used for dangerous and specialized assigments?

The fact that she's doing this to hunt down blood mages means nothing?

No, the fact htat you're projecting and assuming too much means nothing.

"And what is your PROOF that she bought the sword jsut for that purpose?
Not you theories, not your projections, not your conclusions.
PROOF."

Right because she turned it in a sword just because and she just bought the lyruim idol just because.

That ain't proof.

"A better sword would be usefull in dealing with mages and abominations and qunari..and practicly everoyne for that matter.
Why are you singleing out the Annulment?"

The issue is that she is seekin a better sword right at the tiem she suspect the circle is fill with nloood mages.

A good sword is ALWAYS usefull.
To anyone who does combat.
In other words, pretty much anyone who could afford such a sword, would buy it if they could.

And you also forget the nature of red lyrium. For all we know, Meredith was shoping at Bertrams and just happened to see the idol and the idol was all like "take me with you".
In other words, she could have easily walked into his shop without any plans of buying a new sword.

No it does not. Have does  a player control weapon change have any relevency to the story?

Not story. Reasoning. The basic logic. Why does player upgrade weapons? Why do people change equipment in general?

Why would you - in real life - take an assault rifle over a pistol if you expected combat. Because you know it's better. Because you want to live. Because you (probably. I'm doubtfull at this point) have brains.

[Lotion Soronarr]

leaguer of one wrote...
I don't see is as a head cannon if the person if the meredith suspect the circle  to have blood mage from act 2 and tat templar always buy lyrium with the intent of usng it. How I'm I wrong to thing she made plans to annual  the tower in case she has to?

You aren't "wrong" to think anything.

You are wrong to proclaim it truth without having actual evidence.



Also, no, the templars don't go around destroying idols. More of your unsupported BS.

[leaguer of one]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
I don't see is as a head cannon if the person if the meredith suspect the circle  to have blood mage from act 2 and tat templar always buy lyrium with the intent of usng it. How I'm I wrong to thing she made plans to annual  the tower in case she has to?

You aren't "wrong" to think anything.

You are wrong to proclaim it truth without having actual evidence.



Also, no, the templars don't go around destroying idols. More of your unsupported BS.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Seekers_of_Truth
....

The chantry is an organization with a history of hunting cultist and heretics. They almost had a march on Rivain because of their strong occult practices.
Sorry, but they do hunt down and destory the occult. And Meredith is clearly a devot Andrastian.

[leaguer of one]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Their's no way templars resemble swat teams in ny way. And even then the use is restricted to a mission to mission bases.

You mean they aren't an elite combat unit used for dangerous and specialized assigments?

The fact that she's doing this to hunt down blood mages means nothing?

No, the fact htat you're projecting and assuming too much means nothing.

"And what is your PROOF that she bought the sword jsut for that purpose?
Not you theories, not your projections, not your conclusions.
PROOF."

Right because she turned it in a sword just because and she just bought the lyruim idol just because.

That ain't proof.

"A better sword would be usefull in dealing with mages and abominations and qunari..and practicly everoyne for that matter.
Why are you singleing out the Annulment?"

The issue is that she is seekin a better sword right at the tiem she suspect the circle is fill with nloood mages.

A good sword is ALWAYS usefull.
To anyone who does combat.
In other words, pretty much anyone who could afford such a sword, would buy it if they could.

And you also forget the nature of red lyrium. For all we know, Meredith was shoping at Bertrams and just happened to see the idol and the idol was all like "take me with you".
In other words, she could have easily walked into his shop without any plans of buying a new sword.

No it does not. Have does  a player control weapon change have any relevency to the story?

Not story. Reasoning. The basic logic. Why does player upgrade weapons? Why do people change equipment in general?

Why would you - in real life - take an assault rifle over a pistol if you expected combat. Because you know it's better. Because you want to live. Because you (probably. I'm doubtfull at this point) have brains.

"
You mean they aren't an elite combat unit used for dangerous and specialized assigments?"

You mean standing around watching mages? Also, you're clearly confusing the seelers of truth with the regualar templars.

"No, the fact htat you're projecting and assuming too much means nothing."
How would it be an assuption to she she would take steps to prep to annual the tower is she has to in a time she feel there is a strong chance the circle is fill with blood mages?


"A good sword is ALWAYS usefull.
To anyone who does combat.
In other words, pretty much anyone who could afford such a sword, would buy it if they could.

And you also forget the nature of red lyrium. For all we know, Meredith was shoping at Bertrams and just happened to see the idol and the idol was all like "take me with you".
In other words, she could have easily walked into his shop without any plans of buying a new sword."

1. Theres a differnce between a good sword and on made of lyrium. Especially when it's gotten at a time one feels the circle is filled with blood mages.
2.What does it matter if she did not plan for a new sword before meeting Bertram?

"Not story. Reasoning. The basic logic. Why does player upgrade weapons? Why do people change equipment in general?

Why would you - in real life - take an assault rifle over a pistol if you expected combat. Because you know it's better. Because you want to live. Because you (probably. I'm doubtfull at this point) have brains."

1. That still is story/gameplay segeation.
2.You're second point here supports mine. If she thinks she is going in to combat soon to deal with the mages in the tower because she think they ar blood mages you don't think she would prep for it. Planning to annual the tower does mean planning to do alot of combat.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

leaguer of one wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The lengths some people will go to defend their headcanon as real...

Leaguer, you definitely are in the same tier as Seival and Erezike.

I don't see is as a head cannon if the person if the meredith suspect the circle  to have blood mage from act 2 and tat templar always buy lyrium with the intent of usng it. How I'm I wrong to thing she made plans to annual  the tower in case she has to?

If you think she wanted more power to wipe out the Circle if she had to, you're probably right. That's always a concern given the nature of magic in this setting, and Kirkwall being Kirkwall makes that more true than is normal. So, when you're a Templar trying to gain power, it's a bad idea to stop before you're reasonably confident you could Annul the Circle if you had to. It's just that I thought you were implying she actively wanted to, which I don't think she did yet; just because you want to be able to wipe out the Circle if you need to doesn't mean you actively desire to.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 20 décembre 2013 - 08:28 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

leaguer of one wrote...

This like seeing smoke, seeing animals run away from the smoke, and here people cry "fire" as they pass you by. You're only arguement is that because you don't directly see the fire, it may not be a fire.

And it may not.  Yes.

[Lotion Soronarr]

leaguer of one wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
You mean they aren't an elite combat unit used for dangerous and specialized assigments?"

You mean standing around watching mages? Also, you're clearly confusing the seelers of truth with the regualar templars.

....

So templars don't go escorting pilgrims, fighting bandirs, rouge mages and abominations?
They aren't considered an elite group?

Well ,somebody better tell the devs theyare wong then!

How would it be an assuption to she she would take steps to prep to annual the tower is she has to in a time she feel there is a strong chance the circle is fill with blood mages?

All you just said IS an assumption. Do you even know what the word means?

You claim exact knowledge of what a character is thinking, planing and will do based on so little.

1. Theres a differnce between a good sword and on made of lyrium. Especially when it's gotten at a time one feels the circle is filled with blood mages.
2.What does it matter if she did not plan for a new sword before meeting Bertram?

1) A magic sword is a magic sword. No difference.
2) It does matter. Because you claimed she bought is specifcly to annul mages

"Not story. Reasoning. The basic logic. Why does player upgrade weapons? Why do people change equipment in general?

Why would you - in real life - take an assault rifle over a pistol if you expected combat. Because you know it's better. Because you want to live. Because you (probably. I'm doubtfull at this point) have brains."

1. That still is story/gameplay segeation.
2.You're second point here supports mine. If she thinks she is going in to combat soon to deal with the mages in the tower because she think they ar blood mages you don't think she would prep for it. Planning to annual the tower does mean planning to do alot of combat.

1) Erm...no. quit using terms you do not understand
2) Wrong again. Meredith is a templar (which is a dangerous job) and Kirwall is a dangerous place. You don't have to be a templar to want a good sword, but being one makes it all the more usefull.

[TEWR]

leaguer of one wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I'm no fan of Meredith, but even I wouldn't go so far as to say she had some dastardly plot to wipe out the Circle from the get-go when she took power after the Threnhold Uprising.

At most, I say those thoughts began to surface in Act 2 when she bought the broken (and more potent as a result) lyrium idol. But that was due to the lyrium idol, not her buying it because she already had the idea in her head.

I never said she started planning from act 1. But you have to ask you're self, why would she buy the idol if she did not plan to use it? No Templar every buy's lyruim with out the intent of using it in some form.

Of course she's going to use it. She's not going to buy it for the Feng Shui of her office. But just because she bought it does not mean she bought it to use it specifically against the Circle. Templars derive their power from lyrium. This was pure lyrium. Chances are she thought it was more powerful then regular lyrium (which it is) and chances are the thing called out to her -- as the discerning can hear lyrium's "singing".

But that still doesn't mean she bought it to use against the Circle. She probably bought it because she thought it would make her a better Templar to defend the city.

Maybe she did buy it for those reasons, but asserting that she did with little evidence other then "It makes sense" is pointless.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 20 décembre 2013 - 10:23 .

[leaguer of one]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I'm no fan of Meredith, but even I wouldn't go so far as to say she had some dastardly plot to wipe out the Circle from the get-go when she took power after the Threnhold Uprising.

At most, I say those thoughts began to surface in Act 2 when she bought the broken (and more potent as a result) lyrium idol. But that was due to the lyrium idol, not her buying it because she already had the idea in her head.

I never said she started planning from act 1. But you have to ask you're self, why would she buy the idol if she did not plan to use it? No Templar every buy's lyruim with out the intent of using it in some form.

Of course she's going to use it. She's not going to buy it for the Feng Shui of her office. But just because she bought it does not mean she bought it to use it specifically against the Circle. Templars derive their power from lyrium. This was pure lyrium. Chances are she thought it was more powerful then regular lyrium (which it is) and chances are the thing called out to her -- as the discerning can hear lyrium's "singing".

But that still doesn't mean she bought it to use against the Circle. She probably bought it because she thought it would make her a better Templar to defend the city.

Maybe she did buy it for those reasons, but asserting that she did with little evidence other then "It makes sense" is pointless.

Note when she got it. At a time when she fealt the tower was filled with blood mages. That can't be a coincidence.

[leaguer of one]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

This like seeing smoke, seeing animals run away from the smoke, and here people cry "fire" as they pass you by. You're only arguement is that because you don't directly see the fire, it may not be a fire.

And it may not.  Yes.

Usually, if it something other then firs their are sign that that it maybe something else. If is an out of control smoking  bulldozer there would be sound of one. It this case what it there show that it may be something else?

[leaguer of one]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The lengths some people will go to defend their headcanon as real...

Leaguer, you definitely are in the same tier as Seival and Erezike.

I don't see is as a head cannon if the person if the meredith suspect the circle  to have blood mage from act 2 and tat templar always buy lyrium with the intent of usng it. How I'm I wrong to thing she made plans to annual  the tower in case she has to?

If you think she wanted more power to wipe out the Circle if she had to, you're probably right. That's always a concern given the nature of magic in this setting, and Kirkwall being Kirkwall makes that more true than is normal. So, when you're a Templar trying to gain power, it's a bad idea to stop before you're reasonably confident you could Annul the Circle if you had to. It's just that I thought you were implying she actively wanted to, which I don't think she did yet; just because you want to be able to wipe out the Circle if you need to doesn't mean you actively desire to.

Thank you. You're the only one here that got my point.

[Cainhurst Crow]

leaguer of one wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

This like seeing smoke, seeing animals run away from the smoke, and here people cry "fire" as they pass you by. You're only arguement is that because you don't directly see the fire, it may not be a fire.

And it may not.  Yes.

Usually, if it something other then firs their are sign that that it maybe something else. If is an out of control smoking  bulldozer there would be sound of one. It this case what it there show that it may be something else?

Good thing there isn't some form of recreational pyrotechnic device, designed to generate a cloud of smoke but yet leave no actual flames or fire damage when it goes off...oh wait, yeah there is.



But please do go ahead and pretend that just because you think theres a fire, that it automatically means there is indeed a fire, like a goddamn over-sensitive smoke detector would.

[Cainhurst Crow]

leaguer of one wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The lengths some people will go to defend their headcanon as real...

Leaguer, you definitely are in the same tier as Seival and Erezike.

I don't see is as a head cannon if the person if the meredith suspect the circle  to have blood mage from act 2 and tat templar always buy lyrium with the intent of usng it. How I'm I wrong to thing she made plans to annual  the tower in case she has to?

If you think she wanted more power to wipe out the Circle if she had to, you're probably right. That's always a concern given the nature of magic in this setting, and Kirkwall being Kirkwall makes that more true than is normal. So, when you're a Templar trying to gain power, it's a bad idea to stop before you're reasonably confident you could Annul the Circle if you had to. It's just that I thought you were implying she actively wanted to, which I don't think she did yet; just because you want to be able to wipe out the Circle if you need to doesn't mean you actively desire to.

Thank you. You're the only one here that got my point.

That's not a point to be proud of leaguer. I know if my only supports for a theory were alex jones or jesse ventura I would seriously question the merit of my theory.

[leaguer of one]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

"....

So templars don't go escorting pilgrims, fighting bandirs, rouge mages and abominations?
They aren't considered an elite group?

Well ,somebody better tell the devs theyare wong then!"

No those are not the elite group and the lore and story never give any statement that they are. The elites are the seekers.

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"1) A magic sword is a magic sword. No difference. 
2) It does matter. Because you claimed she bought is specifcly to annul mages"
 
1. It nakes a bif difference if it made of pure lyrium and if the person using it is a templar. Even more so when the templar get it at that timefeel the circle they are protecting is fill with blood mages.
2. I claim she got it if she found that she had no choice but to annual them


"All you just said IS an assumption. Do you even know what the word means?

You claim exact knowledge of what a character is thinking, planing and will do based on so little."

1. Quit avoding the questions.
2. This is a templar commander who thinks the circle she is watching over is fill with blood mages, how would some like that think not to prepare for an annualment  if they fealt the circle was in that much dire events?

"1) Erm...no. quit using terms you do not understand
2) Wrong again. Meredith is a templar (which is a dangerous job) and Kirwall is a dangerous place. You don't have to be a templar to want a good sword, but being one makes it all the more usefull."

1. It clear you are not understanding it since your using a point that has no relivence to the plot.
2.Who else would want or need to get a pure lyrium sword? Say because Kirkwall is dangerous is not  a strong point. There are many other sword she could of gotten out side of one made of lyrium if she fealt the need to protect herself in kirkwall that are not made of lyrium. She go a sword that increases her strenght and an anti-mage templar. She going to need that on a random thug from kirkwall. She got a sword the increses her resistanct to magic at a time she fealt the circle is fill with blood mages, blood mages she made an oath to hunt down.
You can't put 2 and 2 together?

Modifié par leaguer of one, 20 décembre 2013 - 11:56 .

[leaguer of one]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

This like seeing smoke, seeing animals run away from the smoke, and here people cry "fire" as they pass you by. You're only arguement is that because you don't directly see the fire, it may not be a fire.

And it may not.  Yes.

Usually, if it something other then firs their are sign that that it maybe something else. If is an out of control smoking  bulldozer there would be sound of one. It this case what it there show that it may be something else?

Good thing there isn't some form of recreational pyrotechnic device, designed to generate a cloud of smoke but yet leave no actual flames or fire damage when it goes off...oh wait, yeah there is.



But please do go ahead and pretend that just because you think theres a fire, that it automatically means there is indeed a fire, like a goddamn over-sensitive smoke detector would.

Again, their would be signs of that those were used. If you go closer and feel more themal heat as well, it some how a smoke grenade?

Modifié par leaguer of one, 21 décembre 2013 - 12:01 .

[leaguer of one]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The lengths some people will go to defend their headcanon as real...

Leaguer, you definitely are in the same tier as Seival and Erezike.

I don't see is as a head cannon if the person if the meredith suspect the circle  to have blood mage from act 2 and tat templar always buy lyrium with the intent of usng it. How I'm I wrong to thing she made plans to annual  the tower in case she has to?

If you think she wanted more power to wipe out the Circle if she had to, you're probably right. That's always a concern given the nature of magic in this setting, and Kirkwall being Kirkwall makes that more true than is normal. So, when you're a Templar trying to gain power, it's a bad idea to stop before you're reasonably confident you could Annul the Circle if you had to. It's just that I thought you were implying she actively wanted to, which I don't think she did yet; just because you want to be able to wipe out the Circle if you need to doesn't mean you actively desire to.

Thank you. You're the only one here that got my point.

That's not a point to be proud of leaguer. I know if my only supports for a theory were alex jones or jesse ventura I would seriously question the merit of my theory.

That really does not defer my point at all.  You're saying it could be something else but you really aren't say what that something else is. You more busy trying to prove me wrong then connecting the dots.

[Cainhurst Crow]

The templars make up the main bulk of the chantries army, hell their combined numbers outnumber the established armies of most nations if the wiki is to be believed. They have a variety of duties beyond simply watching over mages, but their numbers are so large that it allows branches of the order to preform this duty while still maintaining a sizeable force outside of the circles to serve the chantry and its interests.

Dismissing them as simply guys with swords who watch mages is a misunderstanding of what it means to be a templar, since it requires you to actively be alert or even partake in the tracking and subduing of demons, apostates, maleficarum, and dangerous cults. They're the closest thing to a organized law enforcement force thedas has, imo. Much more standardized and scrutinized then most of the local town guards are and certainly elite in comparison to them.