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[dreamgazer]

KaiserShep wrote...

Minor detail, but did it kind of bug anyone else just a bit that the Primes on Rannoch change from red glowing bits to blue when Legion tells Shepard they want to join up? 

How else would we comprehend that them's the good guys now?

Subtlety, man.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 20 décembre 2013 - 07:07 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

KaiserShep wrote...

The geth should have been studying 80's cartoons. Every child knows that robots with red optics are the evil ones. Even Johnny 5 put on his red glowing eyes when he got angry.

Minor detail, but did it kind of bug anyone else just a bit that the Primes on Rannoch change from red glowing bits to blue when Legion tells Shepard they want to join up? 

And then when they get "true AI" they go back to red.

[KaiserShep]

It makes me wonder if the geth can do "party mode" and rapidly cycle through the colors on their lights. Legion's already shown us that the geth can dance.

The club cannot handle our platform at this time.

[ImaginaryMatter]

A walking stobe light and a stereo, the Organic races have much to gain with allying with the Geth.

[dreamgazer]

KaiserShep wrote...

It makes me wonder if the geth can do "party mode" and rapidly cycle through the colors on their lights.

I doubt it. We weren't notified of any seizure warnings.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 20 décembre 2013 - 07:10 .

[KaiserShep]

This gives a reasonable hint as to how the geth were able to subdue the quarians so quickly.

[dreamgazer]

KaiserShep wrote...

This gives a reasonable hint as to how the geth were able to subdue the quarians so quickly.

Shock and Awesome tactics, naturally.

[Deathsaurer]

Hazegurl wrote...

I think it makes more sense for Legion to make peace with Shepard if peace could be achieved and then sit on the code and use it later.

And this makes Han'Gerrel stop shooting how? It was the threat of the Geth slaughtering the Quarians and lots of yelling that made him stand down. Without the code the Geth are helpless and useless.

[Hazegurl]

StreetMagic wrote...

I think they assume that anyone who wants allow Legion to use Reaper code is the same kind of person who'd pick Synthesis or Control anyways. Those are the two ending options that have no qualms in repurposing Reaper tech. Picking Destroy is a condemnation of Reapers - and it's a condemnation that should have already materialized against Legion for even thinking it.

Most likely that was it. I wish the writers relied on the complexities of the gamer instead of writing based on assumptions they try to railroad the player into. Just because a player picks destroy doesn't mean they are proving the starbrat right or they hate all synthetics. I wanted the Reapers gone not all synthetics.
 Basically the writers sort of derp the Geth just to give the destoryers more sacrifices to make, ya know, cause destroy is like red and all.  

@Death, The Geth were weak(off line) before Gerrel was going to attack. This was his reason for wanting to attack. This was happening a bit before Legion began uploading the code, which he stupidly takes the time to ask Shepard for permission to do. During this time Shepard can tell Gerrel to stand down which he does if peace can be made. If the code is uploaded the Geth destroy the Quarians..for continuing their assault. In the end it's just a matter of getting Gerrel to stand down. So why couldn't Shepard (who could make peace) get Gerrel to stand down without knowing about the code upload? It makes sense for Legion to keep it and only use it right away if Shepard is hostile and cosigning Gerrel's hostility. If Shep can't make peace (based on past choices) and must choose a side then have Legion go straight for uploading the code.

The Geth may have lost some intelligence but they weren't useless without the code. They were knocked offline for a bit.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 20 décembre 2013 - 07:50 .

[TigusVidiks]

The Twilight God wrote...


at 07:32

See it again.

" It is now in your power to destroy us. But be warned, others will be destroyed as well. The crucible will not descriminate. All synthetics will be targeted. "



Funny how you cherry picked that conversation seeing as the Kid goes on to define "synthetics" as "technology you rely on". Going so far as to state that Shepard is part synthetic. I.e. the Kid is not talking about A.I. when it says "synthetic". It's talking about technology period.

You shoot yourself in the foot here. Your interpretation is based on pre-EC material which was retconned.

Here's the entire quote (with the parts you want to ignore included):

Kid: But be warned. Others will be destroyed as well. The Crucible will not discriminate. All synthetics will be targeted. Even you are partly synthetic."

Shepard: What exactly will happen?

Kid: Your Crucible Device appears to be largely intact. However, the effects of the blast will not be constrained to the Reapers. Technology you relay on will be affected, but those who survive should have little difficulty repairing the damage. There will still be loses, but no more than has already been lost.

Shepard asks the Kid what will happen and its tell him what will happen. Now I need you to tell me where in it's reply of what will happen does it state the Geth will all perish? At what point does the Kid state the AIs specifically will be targeted in reply to "What exactly will happen"?

When I beat Mass Effect 3 it was after the EC so I never saw the original endings at that point. I later saw them (or should I say it) on YouTube and cringed. Anyway, when I heard the description of Destroy I thought the Crucible was going to bomb everyone back to the Stone Age, technologically speaking. I thought there would be no more computers, ships, medical equipment, electricity, etc. Now if this occurred the Geth would be included. So, yes, on that basis the demise or at least damaging of the Geth was assumed by association. However, no technological apocalypse occurs and by extension no Geth destruction. Again, AI's were never singled out. Just technology in a general sense. 

The only reason you are singling out AIs is due to pre-EC bias. You cannot rationally argue the case for the Geth's destruction outside of pre-EC dialog which has been intentionally retconned.

Actually, the quote i said is present in the EXt Cut.
"Even you are partly synthetic" -  key word here is partly. 
"But no more than has already been lost" - Exactly. Loosing a synthetic race is not more than all the previous races that were lost in the course of millions of years.

Anyone can play that game you know. It's not hard to make up anything or distort  conceptions  just by using semanthics or simply dismissing what we don't like. Point is, you either take what the game tells you at face value and work with what you get, or you dismiss it and imagine something that fits whatever your expectations were. The second option makes any discussion about the game sterile, and not worth having.
You seem to be too inloved with your own 5 minutes of glorious interwebz exposure to be ready to let go.

Modifié par TigusVidiks, 20 décembre 2013 - 10:14 .

[GimmeDaGun]

Although I like the idea behind the other two options (from a gritty sci-fi ending point of veiw, which ME basically is), the only option I ever take is Destroy. It fits my style of playing the game: hot-headed, agressive, badass anti-hero renegade Shepard with a few paragon moves and a some good human qualities.

Spacer - Engineer - Sole Survivor
Intimidates (red options) almost everyone, no-nonsense realistic, lonely-wolf attitude (mostly renegade and neutral options, some paragon at times). He is a really hard ass of a commander and pretty brash and reckless at times, even violent, but not merciless and only kills if he is really pissed off or finds no other option. To him humanity (and the Alliance) comes first and hates the fact that humans are treated like a new pleauge in the galaxy, but has nothing against aliens. Absolutely hates Cerberus and pranks the Illusive Man whenever he can. He's annoyed by political bs and red-tape, but he is quite pragmatic about politics, so he picks Udina after letting the Council die. Does not trust AIs, and when the time comes he does not let Legion to upload the freakin' enemy's code to the Geth. He feels sympathy to the Krogan so he helps them and lets the Rachni live. Does not trust Miranda when she asks for Alliance intel.

Plus he looks like this: 

social.bioware.com/303880/albums/743531

Can you imagine this guy doing anything but destroy the reapers when the time comes? 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 20 décembre 2013 - 12:12 .

[rekn2]

the majority here have a clear misunderstanding of science, smh.

[dreamgazer]

rekn2 wrote...

the majority here have a clear misunderstanding of science, smh.

Can you be more specific with your blanket comment? 

[rekn2]

scroll back to my previous posts. theres nothing unique about reapers to target. they are made of the matter like everything else. whats the beam targeting? what singles out "reaper stuff"? how does it differentiate from other materials of the same composite?

arguing about the beam is like arguing about santa

[CronoDragoon]

rekn2 wrote...

scroll back to my previous posts. theres nothing unique about reapers to target. they are made of the matter like everything else. whats the beam targeting? what singles out "reaper stuff"? how does it differentiate from other materials of the same composite?

arguing about the beam is like arguing about santa

"The matter"?

[Hazegurl]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Plus he looks like this: 

social.bioware.com/303880/albums/743531

Can you imagine this guy doing anything but destroy the reapers when the time comes? 

I usually don't like any created Shepards but this guy looks badass!

He my Sheploo should have lunch on a pile of rubble over a Reaper corpse.

[ImaginaryMatter]

rekn2 wrote...

scroll back to my previous posts. theres nothing unique about reapers to target. they are made of the matter like everything else. whats the beam targeting? what singles out "reaper stuff"? how does it differentiate from other materials of the same composite?

arguing about the beam is like arguing about santa

I think they're talking about targeting unique features of Reaper Tech not the matter that it is composed of. Like maybe Reaper tech is made out of some alloy that only they know the composition of or it targets anything with Reaper Dual-Core Processors.

[rekn2]

CronoDragoon wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

scroll back to my previous posts. theres nothing unique about reapers to target. they are made of the matter like everything else. whats the beam targeting? what singles out "reaper stuff"? how does it differentiate from other materials of the same composite?

arguing about the beam is like arguing about santa

"The matter"?

take out the word the. i made a mistake, my bad

[rekn2]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

scroll back to my previous posts. theres nothing unique about reapers to target. they are made of the matter like everything else. whats the beam targeting? what singles out "reaper stuff"? how does it differentiate from other materials of the same composite?

arguing about the beam is like arguing about santa

I think they're talking about targeting unique features of Reaper Tech not the matter that it is composed of. Like maybe Reaper tech is made out of some alloy that only they know the composition of or it targets anything with Reaper Dual-Core Processors.

anything they mke we could too, eventually. nothing unique about it

[CronoDragoon]

rekn2 wrote...

take out the word the. i made a mistake, my bad

Ah, okay. In that case, I thought we were talking about targeting Reaper code, which is clearly possible given dudes in their basement can write viruses that can differentiate between different types of software. In the case of Reaper tech that contains no code, there is clearly something unique in its composition that differentiates it from other forms of advanced technology. I don't see why that is hard to believe.

[ImaginaryMatter]

rekn2 wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

scroll back to my previous posts. theres nothing unique about reapers to target. they are made of the matter like everything else. whats the beam targeting? what singles out "reaper stuff"? how does it differentiate from other materials of the same composite?

arguing about the beam is like arguing about santa

I think they're talking about targeting unique features of Reaper Tech not the matter that it is composed of. Like maybe Reaper tech is made out of some alloy that only they know the composition of or it targets anything with Reaper Dual-Core Processors.

anything they mke we could too, eventually. nothing unique about it

I've only glanced over the rest of the post but I don't think the issue was whether or not we could make Reaper tech.

[AlanC9]

Just so I'm up to speed, are we sure that such differentiation actually happens? As opposed to, say, targeting synthetic consciousnesses themselves, which is also conceptually possible unless we think that consciousness isn't "real."

Or is "targets Reaper 'X'" just a working assumption for the thread.

Modifié par AlanC9, 20 décembre 2013 - 06:53 .

[CronoDragoon]

AlanC9 wrote...

Just so I'm up to speed, are we sure that such differentiation actually happens? As opposed to, say, targeting synthetic consciousnesses themselves, which is also conceptually possible unless we think that consciousness isn't "real."

Or is "targets Reaper 'X'" just a working assumption for the thread.

But it targets Shepard's synthetic parts, so unless we assume that Shepard's brain implants associate him with synthetic consciousness (possible I guess) then the presence of Reaper tech seems more likely. Well, maybe not. Neither explanation is perfect.

I've always held that if it targeted Reaper tech, they would have just told us that it targets Reaper tech. Since they said it targets all synthetics, then that's what it does. Not that this explains the risk to Shepard, either.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I think the ending in Destroy was purposely made more vague so that it makes for greater head canon possibilities, and allows for more wiggle room. Bioware at this point had decided to make another Mass Effect game. Prior to the publication of ME3 the ending was the end of the series.

[DeinonSlayer]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I think the ending in Destroy was purposely made more vague so that it makes for greater head canon possibilities, and allows for more wiggle room. Bioware at this point had decided to make another Mass Effect game. Prior to the publication of ME3 the ending was the end of the series.

At this stage, I'm wary it'll be "Mass Effect 4: The Search for More Money."