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[Neizd]

Any ending is good given the right mindset but there is only one questions that is still unanswered:
Why can't my Shepard do what he always does best - that is, to overcome any obstacle on his own terms?

We got it in ME1 when beatin Sovereign and Saren.
We proved it during suicide mission in ME2 where everyone can live.

This I can't comprehend. There should be wider span of endings, from losing completely to winning completely, when you get what you can - the conclusion of all the time you have spent on this game. It wasn't impossible, BW just had to take into consideration major flags and reward us with unique ending based on our decisions. It's that simple.

[Nightwriter]

The freedom to self-determinate is one of the least hollow ideas I know, personally.

[KaiserShep]

Nightwriter wrote...

The freedom to self-determinate is one of the least hollow ideas I know, personally.

Yeah I'm not sure how anyone can consider freedom a hollow concept. Quite a few people have gone to war over this concept, and it's roughly 50% of a bald eagle's diet.

[AlanC9]

Neizd wrote...

This I can't comprehend. There should be wider span of endings, from losing completely to winning completely, when you get what you can - the conclusion of all the time you have spent on this game. It wasn't impossible, BW just had to take into consideration major flags and reward us with unique ending based on our decisions. It's that simple.

Of course it wasn't impossible. Or even hard. Who ever said it was?

[DeinonSlayer]

Relevant:



"Is not this... simpler? Is this not your natural state? Is this not your natural state? It's the unspoken truth of humanity that you crave subjugation. The bright lure of freedom diminishes your life's joy in a mad scramble for power. For identity. You were made to be ruled. In the end, you will always kneel."

Yeah, no thanks.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 13 décembre 2013 - 05:46 .

[TheBlackBaron]

That's okay OP, I can't understand the people who will (obligatory "in my opinion") commit an immense and unfathomable violation of ethical principles on the galaxy with Synthesis or commit to a galactic police state armed with giant killer robotic cuttlefish and controlled by a single man or woman with Control.

So we're cool.

Actually, I do like the Renegade Control ending as well, but I'm not going to argue it's the best path for the galaxy.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 13 décembre 2013 - 07:31 .

[CosmicGnosis]

It's so twisted that synthetics have to die so that people can feel good about "Freedom!"

Peace on Rannoch? Doesn't matter. Destroy is the correct choice.

Shepard's survival offers even more validation.

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 13 décembre 2013 - 05:57 .

[Hazegurl]

Synthetics can be rebuilt. At least with a peaceful option on Rannoch Quarians may feel better about rebuilding the Geth and not blasting them to hell just for asking questions.

[KaiserShep]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

It's so twisted that synthetics have to die so that people can feel good about "Freedom!"

Peace on Rannoch? Doesn't matter. Destroy is the correct choice.

Shepard's survival offers even more validation.

Works for me. When it comes down to it, there's a twisted aspect of all of the choices.

[CosmicGnosis]

KaiserShep wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

It's so twisted that synthetics have to die so that people can feel good about "Freedom!"

Peace on Rannoch? Doesn't matter. Destroy is the correct choice.

Shepard's survival offers even more validation.

Works for me. When it comes down to it, there's a twisted aspect of all of the choices.

And Synthesis is clearly intended to be the best option. There is no denying it. The quarians don't need their environmental suits, the krogan completely restore their civilization (maybe even surpass the original), and there is "unlimited access to knowledge".

But a forced transformation must occur for this ending to be possible. I hate it.

[KaiserShep]

Whether or not it's intended to be the "best" doesn't matter all that much to me. There's no getting around the troublesome implications of the synthesis concept, and they are just troublesome enough that I would avoid it like the plague in Shepard's position. As for unlimited access to knowledge, that seems like a pretty meaningless concept to me, since the galaxy is a big place, and there's always something new to learn. Whether or not the current generation can learn it all doesn't matter.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 13 décembre 2013 - 06:46 .

[SporkFu]

Hazegurl wrote...

Synthetics can be rebuilt. At least with a peaceful option on Rannoch Quarians may feel better about rebuilding the Geth and not blasting them to hell just for asking questions.

Can't be certain things would turn out the same with new synthetics. What if the Geth mk 2 aren't content to boot the Quarians off Rannoch and withdraw behind the Perseus Veil this time? Maybe the galaxy will end up with Skynet or the Matrix or worse. 
 
My guess is Quarians wouldn't want anything to do creating another A.I., not after what happened last time. Or, if they did, I also believe that another race, or races, would go to war to prevent them from doing it.

[Clayless]

I agree OP. I've had many Shepards, even ones I was going to roleplay to pick Destroy, but when the time comes I can't wrap my head around actually doing it. There are no benefits when compared to the other choices, heck I can even roleplay refuse on FailSheps.

Genocide isn't something I would choose to create a terrible future, especially when there are other, better, options.

[KaiserShep]

SporkFu wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Synthetics can be rebuilt. At least with a peaceful option on Rannoch Quarians may feel better about rebuilding the Geth and not blasting them to hell just for asking questions.

Can't be certain things would turn out the same with new synthetics. What if the Geth mk 2 aren't content to boot the Quarians off Rannoch and withdraw behind the Perseus Veil this time? Maybe the galaxy will end up with Skynet or the Matrix or worse. 
 
My guess is Quarians wouldn't want anything to do creating another A.I., not after what happened last time. Or, if they did, I also believe that another race, or races, would go to war to prevent them from doing it.

Personally I'd be more concerned about uplifed yagh. Stupid salarians. Always causing trouble.

[Hazegurl]

SporkFu wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Synthetics can be rebuilt. At least with a peaceful option on Rannoch Quarians may feel better about rebuilding the Geth and not blasting them to hell just for asking questions.

Can't be certain things would turn out the same with new synthetics. What if the Geth mk 2 aren't content to boot the Quarians off Rannoch and withdraw behind the Perseus Veil this time? Maybe the galaxy will end up with Skynet or the Matrix or worse. 
 
My guess is Quarians wouldn't want anything to do creating another A.I., not after what happened last time. Or, if they did, I also believe that another race, or races, would go to war to prevent them from doing it.

Xen will be getting to work on those Geth bodies shortly. I have no doubt. Plus with the relays destroyed and needing to be rebuilt along with the planets I doubt anyone would start a war with the Quarians anytime soon. I'm sure they'll have plenty of time to fix up their planet and the Geth. Especially with the knowledge of knowing that the Geth could get them out of their suits faster.

I admit I can't outright say that the Geth would not attack. The new Geth may decide that they would rather kill all the Quarians and keep Rannoch for themselves. But there is also the possibility that they would not and just like the original Geth, Whether or not they attack will lie solely on the shoulders of the Quarian's actions.

[Ryzaki]

Destroy for me is simple the Reapers need to be gone. Not pacified, not compromised with, they need to be destroyed.

BW decided I needed to kill the Geth and EDI to do so, and sadly that's the price my Shepard had to pay. Control and Synthesis both in my Shepard's mind have too much leeway for the reapers to come back into power. (not to mention every single time someone's brought up the idea of control or synthesis they were indoctrinated or a Reaper that to him is not the best track record).

But my Shep picked Destroy for a future free of Reaper manipulations or their "guiding" hand. If there's problems so be it they'll fix their own issues or die for them but at least it would be their choice and decisions that lead to it.

As for rebuilding the geth...not sure how that's gonna happen in my game. There be no Quarians to fix the Geth. Welp.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 décembre 2013 - 07:09 .

[General TSAR]

Remember folks, it's not genocide if it's kitchen appliances.

[AlanC9]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

It's so twisted that synthetics have to die so that people can feel good about "Freedom!"

Peace on Rannoch? Doesn't matter. Destroy is the correct choice.

Shepard's survival offers even more validation.

I thought the synthetics died to make people feel bad. Not really sure where you're going with that

[CosmicGnosis]

AlanC9 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

It's so twisted that synthetics have to die so that people can feel good about "Freedom!"

Peace on Rannoch? Doesn't matter. Destroy is the correct choice.

Shepard's survival offers even more validation.

I thought the synthetics died to make people feel bad. Not really sure where you're going with that

I just meant that people need to kill synthetics so they can achieve their noble ideal of freedom. Basically, if they want freedom, they need to eliminate synthetics from the galaxy. I wish freedom could be achieved without taking away the freedom of synthetics.

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 13 décembre 2013 - 07:53 .

[General TSAR]

Artificial constructs have freedom?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Yeah, well, if I'm going to destroy, when I get to Rannoch, there's no Geth leaving Rannoch because it's a pro-Geth propaganda show by the writers that I can see through... okay I'm metagaming this. The Virtual Aliens? Well no one ever told Shepard about them. I didn't find out about them until someone pointed them out on the board and I looked it up in the Wikia. So in Shepard's mind there's nothing left except EDI. And Shepard's gonna die anyway. So pffft.

And what do you know, everything gets rebuilt just like new in 10 years! Just like magic! Oh! Shepard takes a breath! Is she ever found? Is she alive? Does she live? Who knows? Tune in again in another parallel quantum dimension where Bioware wrote a decent ending.

But it doesn't matter anyway because if they write a sequel it can't be with control or synthesis.

[Ryzaki]

AlanC9 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

It's so twisted that synthetics have to die so that people can feel good about "Freedom!"

Peace on Rannoch? Doesn't matter. Destroy is the correct choice.

Shepard's survival offers even more validation.

I thought the synthetics died to make people feel bad. Not really sure where you're going with that

Yeah this.

I thought that was put in there to make control and synthesis more desirable. Didn't work for me though.

Alas in my game Rannoch is a deserted mess. I let the Geth kill the Quarians and then pick Destroy. *shrugs* Maybe Wrex can use it from Krogan expansion? I dunno.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 décembre 2013 - 08:03 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Rannoch = wrong protein for Krogan, they'll have the runs.

[Ryzaki]

LOL

Give it to the turians then? Paleven did get hit pretty hard.

[Daemul]

I loved reading about the Virtual Aliens, I never thought any species had ever become advanced enough to do something like that.

It does make me wonder, if people can move their minds into other bodies as it's been established, can they then move their minds into Geth platform's and help out in the war? It would seem that this would be easily done.