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Killzone: Shadow Fall... Wow, the first next-gen game has set really high standards of quality.


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It would also be bad since Sony and MS didn't exactly splurge on the hardware in their new consoles.

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God that would be horrible, innovation in an entire field just ceasing to move forward.

Innovation in what way?

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Finding a way to squeeze more processing power into the graphics so they have high budget CGI movie quality, but with players being in control of the actions of the characters. Story comes first and stuff, but I'd still like people to come up with new shortcuts and techniques to make them able to breakthrough or at the very least work around limits to graphics.

Stylized works are always welcomed and might end up being the future, but I'd like there to still be some way to push the envelope when it comes to how nice a game can look while still giving players lots of control over them.

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wolfhowwl wrote...
Sony and MS didn't exactly splurge on the hardware in their new consoles.

True enough unfortunately.

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

Finding a way to squeeze more processing power into the graphics so they have high budget CGI movie quality, but with players being in control of the actions of the characters. Story comes first and stuff, but I'd still like people to come up with new shortcuts and techniques to make them able to breakthrough or at the very least work around limits to graphics.

Stylized works are always welcomed and might end up being the future, but I'd like there to still be some way to push the envelope when it comes to how nice a game can look while still giving players lots of control over them.

Graphical advancement isn't the "innovation" I'm looking for when it comes to vieo games. As much as I appreciate a good-looking game I'm not invested in consoles because of some eventual improvements of the bells and whistles that have (so far) come with each new generation. I thought last gen was good enough to be done with it. This gen definitely looks good enough to be done with it.  I'm not looking to see the graphical plateau. Putting the absence of 'mind blowing" aside, the time seems long past where graphical improvements brings with it revolutionary gameplay design, whether that be because of limitations or improvements. Mario can't move dimensions and Metal Gear can't be turned into a stealth game. That next graphical leap is monotonous, unless it's bringing with it easier design techniques. And even then, that next graphical leap is a bit dangerous. Games aren't getting any cheaper to make, although the blame for that lies with publishers as well as all this new tech.

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I'd rather this industry work on improving game design of what it can work with now than wait to throw a prettier Battlefield, Call of Duty, or Metal Gear Solid up in my face. Hopefully they haven't hit a plateau where it matters. And if they have, find ways to mix thngs up to keep games interesting beyond 800,000,000 polygon character models.

Modifié par J. Reezy, 13 décembre 2013 - 05:03 .


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Video Games will probably replace movies in the future.

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I greatly agree with J. Reezy. At least on the retail side, it's harder to find titles that are pushing the boundaries of what can be done on video games outside of a lot of what's stated above. I would personally point to games like Uncharted as another game that heavily relies on Graphical Quality/Set Pieces/Etc. If you took the game(either Uncharted or SF) and retrofied it to an earlier generation to say, SNES or below, would you still enjoy the game nearly as much?

As far as the Shadow Fall game in question, I've only seen the one trailer long ago and can't speak for the gameplay itself. It looked seriously damned good, I can say that much.

Video Games will probably replace movies in the future.

Not likely. Even gameplay-light games like Beyond: Two Souls(or whatever one you prefer) will still be a barrier for some. It's easier to absorb content than be provided(and move past) the obstacle of gameplay. It has little chance of happening in my eyes.

Modifié par DominusVita, 13 décembre 2013 - 05:09 .


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I see the emphasize on graphic fidelity as a symptom not the cause. IMO, its the fact that we have billion dollar corporations dominating the industry that is stagnating innovation.

Modifié par General Slotts, 13 décembre 2013 - 05:34 .


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Good Call of Duty in space.

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The story is meh.

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What is "special" these days anyway?

I'm begning to wonder. Seems to me players these days and more demanding then ever, and generally expecting every game from any genre to be made for them and them alone....

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I might have youtubed it if Visari was still alive. Dem speeches.

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Angry Joe Killzone Review

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Well it's an improvement over KZ3 but that's not saying much, and the plot still makes no sense, the ISA gives half of the planet to the Helghans and just sit back and watch while their citizens on that half are slaughtered?

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Awesome game the graphic is better even than Crysis 2 and 3

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Is it me or is Scolar Visari a great character? Actually most of the Helgast like Col. Radeck are pretty good, with the exception of KZ3 where Stahl turned into an egomaniacal maniac.

Where as the ISA are so crap, particularly Rico I want to make bite the kerb.

KZ Shadow Fall could have been really something in terms of plot as the universe is quite good, the Helgast are great as a faction and more sympathetic that the supposed protagonists, but they threw it all away for CoD style 'murica **** yeah.

It's not as if playing as the Helgast would have confused anyone, old players know all the back story and new players aren't going to be confused by playing a faction in a game they've never played before.

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billy the squid wrote...

Is it me or is Scolar Visari a great character? Actually most of the Helgast like Col. Radeck are pretty good, with the exception of KZ3 where Stahl turned into an egomaniacal maniac.

Where as the ISA are so crap, particularly Rico I want to make bite the kerb.

KZ Shadow Fall could have been really something in terms of plot as the universe is quite good, the Helgast are great as a faction and more sympathetic that the supposed protagonists, but they threw it all away for CoD style 'murica **** yeah.

It's not as if playing as the Helgast would have confused anyone, old players know all the back story and new players aren't going to be confused by playing a faction in a game they've never played before.


Visari and Radecks deaths (even though I knew they were both inevitable) made me kinda sad :blush:

And you're right about the Helghast being a lot more sympathetic than the US- I mean ISA! I'd kill for a campaign from the Helghast point of view but sadly that will probably never happen.

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Jozape wrote...

The way people respond to Seival with such fervor reminds me of the discussions people used to have with Borschtbeet/Busomjack. He was much funnier than Seival though.


The negativity and fervor of the responce from people who "play" games mostly on youtube and consider ME3 as "an example of bad writing" was quite predictible.

I know you people think that "grass was always greener back in old days". But the point is that modern game development doesn't care about such thoughts. It's moving forwards, and evolve to please the majority of players. Stagnating angry and very vocal minority is not the target audience, and so its opinion isn't really important.

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alliance commander wrote...

Video Games will probably replace movies in the future.


I believe they will be merged eventually. Replacing doesn't make sense.

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FireAndBlood wrote...

Well it's an improvement over KZ3 but that's not saying much, and the plot still makes no sense, the ISA gives half of the planet to the Helghans and just sit back and watch while their citizens on that half are slaughtered?


The plot might have no sense in the context of previous games. But it has a lot of sense as standalone product. I never was a fan of Killzone series in general, but I'm a fan of Killzone: Shadow Fall (mostly because of it's story, and of course because of the great visual/sound parts).

Modifié par Seival, 13 décembre 2013 - 11:07 .


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The story is meh.



Actually FPSs never had good stories they selling cos of the MP

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Darth Revan91 wrote...

RobRam10 wrote...

The story is meh.



Actually FPSs never had good stories they selling cos of the MP


Or you just want a good SP shooter with good graphics.

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What about call of duty 4? Or bioshock infinite? Or halo?

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The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

What about call of duty 4? Or bioshock infinite? Or halo?


CoD 4's story was crap, same as usual, evil Russians, Chinese, Araba, flavour of the month invades US. Threatens world with Nukes, lazor beams, giant marshmallows on sticks etc. 'murica and co save the world. 

Halo is largely over rated, it peaked at Halo 2 where we got to see the innner workings and polticking of the Covenant's inner factionalism and schisim in ideology. Halo 3 was meh, after that it was largely trash. I don't expect anything from 343 studios in that regard.

Bioshock is weird, it's clearly got FPS mechanics, but the developer gave us Bioshock 1 and 2, so they clearly know how to create an interesting story and universe like Rapture, Columbia etc. I like the characters although Comstock was rather, overt, in terms of their portrayal. Good portrayal of the Vox ie: they didn't white wash them and showed exactly what happens in revolutions without attempting to sanatise it. It's not the equivalent of the second coming in terms of games, but it's good, very good. I enjoyed it.

Modifié par billy the squid, 13 décembre 2013 - 11:56 .


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alliance commander wrote...

Video Games will probably replace movies in the future.


Not until the uncanny valley gets crossed where the viewers won't yell out FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!!!

Modifié par Ziegrif, 13 décembre 2013 - 12:13 .