A news announcement in ME2 announces that he escaped iircDeinonSlayer wrote...
My canon Shepard shot Balak in the chest and turned him over to the Alliance in Bring Down The Sky. He then (amidst puzzlement as to how he was released, and why his actions were so benign given his history) recruited him in ME3.
*blasphemous snip*
"See how I'm not shooting him? I think I've grown."
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do the squadmates show more growth then shepard?
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Posté 14 décembre 2013 - 07:51
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Posté 14 décembre 2013 - 08:09
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You're Shepard made a mistake, simple.DeinonSlayer wrote...
My canon Shepard shot Balak in the chest and turned him over to the Alliance in Bring Down The Sky. He then (amidst puzzlement as to how he was released, and why his actions were so benign given his history) recruited him in ME3.
"See how I'm not shooting him? I think I've grown."
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Posté 14 décembre 2013 - 12:49
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Unless you engineer it so a Renegade Shep becomes more Paragon or vice versa, any character who shows any growth whatsoever shows more growth than Shepard.
Bit of an overstatement, but it depends entirely on the choices you make and how you roleplay the Shepard doing it. And I guess some might call the more emotional side we see in ME3 growth, but others might call it out of character weirdness.
Bit of an overstatement, but it depends entirely on the choices you make and how you roleplay the Shepard doing it. And I guess some might call the more emotional side we see in ME3 growth, but others might call it out of character weirdness.
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@Mr. House
Be fair, now. All three of my other Shepards put him down good and permanent-like.
@Steelcan
The only announcement I heard was talk of a memorial service for the three lost engineers on the anniversary of the event.
Be fair, now. All three of my other Shepards put him down good and permanent-like.
@Steelcan
The only announcement I heard was talk of a memorial service for the three lost engineers on the anniversary of the event.
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Posté 14 décembre 2013 - 04:53
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Liara sure did grow.
In the chest region.
In the chest region.
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^Ah, but so did Femshep.
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Posté 16 décembre 2013 - 02:10
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It's up to the player. That's whole point behind the "RP" in RPG. Your Shepard can evolve as little or as much as you desire.
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I went from shooting psychotic biotics in ME1 to romancing one of them. And shooting Krogan who wanted to cure to genophage to helping them. So I guess I've grown personally.
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Posté 17 décembre 2013 - 12:43
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Kenneth was right! They just keep growing!Nitrocuban wrote...
Liara sure did grow.
In the chest region.
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Posté 17 décembre 2013 - 06:33
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I always thought it was interesting that Shep didn't grow as much as the other NPCs. I rather like the idea that as part of taking the public point against the Reapers, he basically sacrificed his career.
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Posté 17 décembre 2013 - 06:38
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ME1 and ME2 shows Shepard like a brick. ME3 is the only attempt to show Shepard with some emotions and character growth.
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ME1 and ME2 shows Shepard like a brick. ME3 is the only attempt to show Shepard with some emotions and character growth.
I still like the ME2 brick though, because he has swagger. A swaggering brick. ME1 is just a brick.
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Posté 17 décembre 2013 - 10:23
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Yes, he is a wise man.Everyone Is Someone wrote...
Kenneth was right! They just keep growing!Nitrocuban wrote...
Liara sure did grow.
In the chest region.
Thank god gravity can be modified with mass effect fields in the future. Could get really bad otherwise.
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Posté 17 décembre 2013 - 10:53
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I love ME2 renegade Shep. Well I love everything about ME2. But renegade ME2 Shepard is hilarious. He's got major character and Meer delivers one liner after one liner. He had lot's of swagger and great interrupts in ME2. ME3 renegade was weak, he had zero charm and was like some psycho that defied logic really.
But yeah, I'd say the squad character progressed a little better than Shepard.
But yeah, I'd say the squad character progressed a little better than Shepard.
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Argentoid wrote...
ME1 and ME2 shows Shepard like a brick. ME3 is the only attempt to show Shepard with some emotions and character growth.
Which sort of defeats the purpose of having a self-insert protagonist like Shepard. Diminishes the "RP" in RPG.
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Which sort of defeats the purpose of having a self-insert protagonist like Shepard. Diminishes the "RP" in RPG.
Works for me. I'll take a little less RP for substantially better dialogue and cutscenes. Funnily enough, I felt much more attachment to Shepard in ME3 than either of the first two games.
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CronoDragoon wrote...
o Ventus wrote...
Which sort of defeats the purpose of having a self-insert protagonist like Shepard. Diminishes the "RP" in RPG.
Works for me. I'll take a little less RP for substantially better dialogue and cutscenes. Funnily enough, I felt much more attachment to Shepard in ME3 than either of the first two games.
I probably would have appreciated it more if the squad was a bit different. I don't just value "emotion" by itself. As if it has intrinsic value. It depends on the characters involved. It works for me for some (Eve, Cortez, Legion, etc) and then not for others. When it's really overt, like when Liara asks questions about emotional state, it doesn't work at all for me. There's a moment after recruiting Garrus from Palaven where she's doing the same thing to him -- and he wants to be left alone. I feel the same way. I'm not knocking it. I just prefer those kind of conversations with different characters (like a romanced Jack in the Citadel dlc. It would have been nice if more of that was in the main game. If you're going to make confessional/emotional scenes, it can't be anchored on one possible love interest).
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Posté 18 décembre 2013 - 05:15
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o Ventus wrote...
Argentoid wrote...
ME1 and ME2 shows Shepard like a brick. ME3 is the only attempt to show Shepard with some emotions and character growth.
Which sort of defeats the purpose of having a self-insert protagonist like Shepard. Diminishes the "RP" in RPG.
I was never against the "brickness" of Shepard. Thing is, I hated when he was in ME2 like "Yeap. Back in action. Where the hell is my thermal clip?"
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Posté 18 décembre 2013 - 05:31
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CronoDragoon wrote...
o Ventus wrote...
Which sort of defeats the purpose of having a self-insert protagonist like Shepard. Diminishes the "RP" in RPG.
Works for me. I'll take a little less RP for substantially better dialogue and cutscenes. Funnily enough, I felt much more attachment to Shepard in ME3 than either of the first two games.
In both cases I just headcanon the character more to my liking than what I get, lol.
But then I've never felt as though Shepard was ever entirely "my" character, even before ME3.
Half mine, half script.
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Posté 18 décembre 2013 - 05:48
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I love ME2 renegade Shep. Well I love everything about ME2. But renegade ME2 Shepard is hilarious. He's got major character and Meer delivers one liner after one liner. He had lot's of swagger and great interrupts in ME2. ME3 renegade was weak, he had zero charm and was like some psycho that defied logic really.
I've always felt this to be the reverse. Renegade Shepard in ME3 is not funny like ME2's, but the award for psychotic Spectre clearly goes to ME2's renegade. In ME2, Shepard is given more opportunities to needlessly murder people, which, while funny, still makes him/her look batsh*t. Take the standoff with Kolyat holding Joram Talid hostage, for example. I never even knew that you could even shoot Joram if you pick the appropriate options. The idea of shooting him never even occurred to me, because, really, shooting the hostage seems like a pretty silly thing to do. Is Shepard Kaiser Soze?
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HYR 2.0 wrote...
CronoDragoon wrote...
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Which sort of defeats the purpose of having a self-insert protagonist like Shepard. Diminishes the "RP" in RPG.
Works for me. I'll take a little less RP for substantially better dialogue and cutscenes. Funnily enough, I felt much more attachment to Shepard in ME3 than either of the first two games.
In both cases I just headcanon the character more to my liking than what I get, lol.
But then I've never felt as though Shepard was ever entirely "my" character, even before ME3.
Half mine, half script.
I'll agree with that too. Definitely the case than most Bioware games. The limits of a voiced protagonist alone makes it much different than DA/BG/Kotor. I feel the same way with Hawke in DA2 as I do Shepard.
That isn't necessarily a bad thing though. I wouldn't play it if I didn't like it. You gain some things in the process. Not just lose things.
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KaiserShep wrote...
NeonFlux117 wrote...
I love ME2 renegade Shep. Well I love everything about ME2. But renegade ME2 Shepard is hilarious. He's got major character and Meer delivers one liner after one liner. He had lot's of swagger and great interrupts in ME2. ME3 renegade was weak, he had zero charm and was like some psycho that defied logic really.
I've always felt this to be the reverse. Renegade Shepard in ME3 is not funny like ME2's, but the award for psychotic Spectre clearly goes to ME2's renegade. In ME2, Shepard is given more opportunities to needlessly murder people, which, while funny, still makes him/her look batsh*t. Take the standoff with Kolyat holding Joram Talid hostage, for example. I never even knew that you could even shoot Joram if you pick the appropriate options. It just never occurred to me that there would be such an option. Bailey sure lets things slide.
That isn't batsh!t though (the Joram situation). To me at least, I can roleplay it as just an extension of Renegade Shep destroying the Council in ME1 (the blatant Renegade option. Not the "Concentrate on Sovereign" option). It's strictly a powerplay between Joram's mindset and human centric Shepard. Power and opportunism, not psychosis (although those can have overlap of course).
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Posté 18 décembre 2013 - 05:58
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At least with the Council, you're weighing their lives against those of the Alliance personnel. With Joram, you're not really weighing his life against anyone else. Of course, this never comes up again, but that's the sort of thing that would make Joram Talid achieve martyrdom status. In any case, I can't roleplay a Shepard that shoots any hostages, even if the hostage is a racist jerkass running for office.
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At least with the Council, you're weighing their lives against those of the Alliance personnel. With Joram, you're not really weighing his life against anyone else. Of course, this never comes up again, but that's the sort of thing that would make Joram Talid achieve martyrdom status. In any case, I can't roleplay a Shepard that shoots any hostages, even if the hostage is a racist jerkass running for office.
I would say the quest with Finch in ME1 is more psychotic (if you force the Turian to let the prisoner go). The Reds are potentially screwing over Turian colonies with plans that could kill millions -- and you can side with them! lol.
I see the Joram thing in a far more harmless light.. it's a dispute between two individuals, without millions of potential casualities. Renegade Shep shoots him because he doesn't like uppitiy Turians talking **** about humans. It's pretty simple. Brutal, but simple. It doesn't matter if Joram is a racist jackass in this context either. Shep would be a racist jackass too - he just has more power.
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Posté 18 décembre 2013 - 06:11
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Ah I forgot all about that quest. My main Shep is a spacer so I just get the drunk who got traumatized by batarians.
