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[Leland Gaunt]

N7 Banshee Bait wrote...
For the few of us that know better, Lancer is the way to go!  Lancer & Collector SMG are the only guys I use anymore. No more ammo crates & reloading for me! The Lancer & Collector SMG combined with powers are OP as hell!

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[smeckie]

Alijah Green wrote...

Lancer is way way better OP fail

I agree! OP offered everyone on this thread Kool-Aid and alot of the lemmings drank it.

[Ledgend1221]

The Lancer is the biggest disappointment of a UR since brilliant surge.

[Heldarion]

Congrats, megabreast, I think this thread can go 60 pages.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

TchockTckocky wrote...

N7 Banshee Bait wrote...
For the few of us that know better, Lancer is the way to go!  Lancer & Collector SMG are the only guys I use anymore. No more ammo crates & reloading for me! The Lancer & Collector SMG combined with powers are OP as hell!

Lol.

[Creator Limbs]

caineghis2500 wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

ClydeInTheShell wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

I'm deleting you from my friends list.

Hmmm sounds eerily to someone else on bsn...

Beat it, scrub. Why you gotta stir the pot?

LOLOLOL, ahhhhh and the trolling cycle continues!!!!! Jeez I love threads made by spectres... its like watching Bad Girls Club

I quit Spectre over a month ago.. what's bad girls club? I don't even know what Cain if referencing anyway...

limb knows
EDIT* never mind

Maybe I'm just being dense...but no.

Whatever. Have a good day Cain

[chcknwng]

GhostKnife72 wrote...

Maurader Sackboy wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...  So... I took the Lancer out on a Thunderdumb duo with a friend on my TGI... That thing is poop in comparison to the Harrier.

I also did back-to-back runs with my Harrier V versus my Lancer VIII  on the TGI -- sure the Harrier kills (slightly) faster but what a relief not to be running around to ammo boxes.  Maybe if I ever get the Harrier to VIII or above I'll like it.

Harrier X is phenomenal.

Harrier X being the keyword. I tried bringing a Harrier II into plat and it was more painful than a Claymore I.

[ClydeInTheShell]

wngmv wrote...

Harrier X being the keyword. I tried bringing a Harrier II into plat and it was more painful than a Claymore I.

Even moreso when you bring SMG amp with your AR.

[NuclearTech76]

smeckie wrote...

Alijah Green wrote...

Lancer is way way better OP fail

I agree! OP offered everyone on this thread Kool-Aid and alot of the lemmings drank it.

Multiclip DPS of the Harrier is 908 versus the Lancer's 502. The Harrier wins in most accuracy categories including diminished recoil and reticle bloom as well. There is no situation where the Lancer wins except maybe on Dagger Hazard or Condor in capable hands. Maybe this fallacy that people have created in their minds comes from playing against clueless pugs with no idea how to use the Harrier but there is a reason the damn thing is called the LOLHarrier, Scruberus Carrier, or just the best damn AR in the game.

[Tybo]

GhostKnife72 wrote...

Best way to answer this question, as unbiased as possible, is to ask it this way...

If you were thrown into Gold or Platinum and had only one weapon to chose from AND were not allowed ANY powers (e.g. Biotic Charge), glitches (e.g. Tactical Cloak damage or  PPR with IA), etc. (i.e. a pure weapons class) what would it be?

For me, the Harrier provides the best all around performance.

With no powers?  It'd have to be the PPR or Reegar.  Harrier's ammo will actually become a detriment if you haven't got powers to fill in some of the damage.  You wouldn't even be able to kill the big bosses without needing a new clip.

With no power usage, the PPR's long sustained fire doesn't matter.  With no accuracy boosting powers, the hurricane isn't that good., and the PPR's pinpoint accuracy is very useful.

And of course any best gun competition usually includes the phrase "besides the lolReegar."  Even without incendiary glitching the Reegar is incredibly powerful with AP ammo.

Also, as to the main point...
I'm not really sure why you consider the Harrier to be less cheap than the Talon, Hurricane, or PPR.  In my opinion those are all pretty similar in terms of power (along with the Wraith).  Which one you choose comes down primarily to kit and tactics.  PPR if you like using soft cover or have no powers to use.  Hurricane if you've got accuracy boosting.  Wraith for ranged one shots, Talon for in close one shots, Harrier for picking off enemies at range.  My personal favorite is the Talon, but I don't really see how any of these guns are cheaper than the others.

And for the whole lancer/harrier thing...lol.  Even if they had similar damage numbers, infinite ammo is a negative, not a positive, because it essentially gives you a huge reload time so that you don't need to hit ammo boxes.  You also are no longer able to hot reload in a pinch with a thermal clip.  And that spread...so much worse.  (Really, pretty much all AR other than the Harrier are far less accurate than they should be.  The Valkyrie and Saber would actually be pretty good guns if they didn't suffer so heavily from accuracy bloom)

Modifié par tyhw, 16 décembre 2013 - 06:16 .

[David Diablo]

Just to reiterate...

David Diablo wrote...

Any weapon that allows me to complete a plat solo is broken./end thread

Not sure why people are saying the harrier is not that good, when in reality, it might be too good... <_<

[Tybo]

GhostKnife72 wrote...

tyhw wrote...

GhostKnife72 wrote...

Best way to answer this question, as unbiased as possible, is to ask it this way...

If you were thrown into Gold or Platinum and had only one weapon to chose from AND were not allowed ANY powers (e.g. Biotic Charge), glitches (e.g. Tactical Cloak damage or  PPR with IA), etc. (i.e. a pure weapons class) what would it be?

For me, the Harrier provides the best all around performance.

With no powers?  It'd have to be the PPR or Reegar.  Harrier's ammo will actually become a detriment if you haven't got powers to fill in some of the damage.  You wouldn't even be able to kill the big bosses without needing a new clip.

With no power usage, the PPR's long sustained fire doesn't matter.  With no accuracy boosting powers, the hurricane isn't that good., and the PPR's pinpoint accuracy is very useful.

And of course any best gun competition usually includes the phrase "besides the lolReegar."  Even without incendiary glitching the Reegar is incredibly powerful with AP ammo.

TBH, the Reegar did come to mind as well.  As did the PPR (that's why I said with "glitches").

Just wonder if you would be able to get in close enough without being overwhelmed.

That would be my concern with the Reegar.  That's why I said NO powers.  I'd find it hard to argue against a Reegar with Biotic Charge or TC.    But I think on higher difficulties...I'm not sure about the Reegar's range limitation. 


Good points though.

I don't even like the PPR with IA, I usually use AP.  The boss killing potential of the PPR is good enough I don't find it needing the glitching, and I like the even quicker kills vs infantry and armored units such as scions, ravagers, and brutes.

Even with no powers, I think the Reegar with AP can be used at short range.  You'll just have to make sure you don't get yourself flanked by mooks.  The range limitation is a valid concern when you add no powers, though, as you won't have staggers/invulnerabilities to cover your reloads if you leave anything alive or miss an enemy and allow yourself to get flanked.

[Maurader Sackboy]

GhostKnife72 wrote...  If you were thrown into Gold or Platinum and had only one weapon to chose from AND were not ... glitches (e.g. Tactical Cloak damage or  PPR with IA), etc. (i.e. a pure weapons class) what would it be?

This hypothetical doesn't make sense since "pure weapons class" have powers (Devastor Mode, Marksman, etc.) -- just not biotic ones.  Also, Tactical Cloak damage is not a glitch!  For instance, I'd take the Typhoon over the Harrier on the Destroyer every time.

[NuclearTech76]

tyhw wrote...

GhostKnife72 wrote...

Best way to answer this question, as unbiased as possible, is to ask it this way...

If you were thrown into Gold or Platinum and had only one weapon to chose from AND were not allowed ANY powers (e.g. Biotic Charge), glitches (e.g. Tactical Cloak damage or  PPR with IA), etc. (i.e. a pure weapons class) what would it be?

For me, the Harrier provides the best all around performance.

With no powers?  It'd have to be the PPR or Reegar.  Harrier's ammo will actually become a detriment if you haven't got powers to fill in some of the damage.  You wouldn't even be able to kill the big bosses without needing a new clip.

With no power usage, the PPR's long sustained fire doesn't matter.  With no accuracy boosting powers, the hurricane isn't that good., and the PPR's pinpoint accuracy is very useful.

And of course any best gun competition usually includes the phrase "besides the lolReegar."  Even without incendiary glitching the Reegar is incredibly powerful with AP ammo.

PPR is great but this game's damn stun mechanics make that ramp up time a PITA. Not sure what the cold damage is on the PPR but the Harrier is instant damage on demand for a mook or three rounding the corner.

[Tybo]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

tyhw wrote...

GhostKnife72 wrote...

Best way to answer this question, as unbiased as possible, is to ask it this way...

If you were thrown into Gold or Platinum and had only one weapon to chose from AND were not allowed ANY powers (e.g. Biotic Charge), glitches (e.g. Tactical Cloak damage or  PPR with IA), etc. (i.e. a pure weapons class) what would it be?

For me, the Harrier provides the best all around performance.

With no powers?  It'd have to be the PPR or Reegar.  Harrier's ammo will actually become a detriment if you haven't got powers to fill in some of the damage.  You wouldn't even be able to kill the big bosses without needing a new clip.

With no power usage, the PPR's long sustained fire doesn't matter.  With no accuracy boosting powers, the hurricane isn't that good., and the PPR's pinpoint accuracy is very useful.

And of course any best gun competition usually includes the phrase "besides the lolReegar."  Even without incendiary glitching the Reegar is incredibly powerful with AP ammo.

PPR is great but this game's damn stun mechanics make that ramp up time a PITA. Not sure what the cold damage is on the PPR but the Harrier is instant damage on demand for a mook or three rounding the corner.

True.  And in general, I personally prefer the Harrier  by a significant margin, and think it is probably a slightly superior weapon.  But in the scenario described (no powers at all) I think you're going to have to be making some concessions.  I'd rather need to be careful and abuse soft cover and camp then be unable to kill bosses without needing to run to an ammo station.  The PPR's greater range due to no spread also helps with staying in soft cover, which I think would be more or less a necessity without any powers to cause staggers or dodges.  And it has a much greater damage potential within its clip, which I feel is very important in clearing spawns without powers.

Modifié par tyhw, 16 décembre 2013 - 06:32 .

[Doni]

I'd say the Harrier would be best balanced if its recoil were implemented properly (switch cover recoil with standing recoil).

[lightswitch]

Harrier isn't well balanced. Needs a lot more recoil IMO.

[NuclearTech76]

Scruffaluphagus wrote...

I'd say the Harrier would be best balanced if its recoil were implemented properly (switch cover recoil with standing recoil).

NOOOOO!!!!! It would suck butt if they made it recoil out of cover like that.

It's perfect right now out of cover, just enough recoil without stability to force you to burst fire at the head versus infantry and the stability is pretty easy to adjust on substained fire versus bosses. I used to hate any kind of recoil but on the Harrier it is your friend if you're getting recoil on infantry you are doing it wrong.

[NuclearTech76]

lightswitch wrote...

Harrier isn't well balanced. Needs a lot more recoil IMO.

Says the Turian.

Why don't you go recalibrate your clawhammer? (one of you sick freaks will get that one)