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[Blackrising]

Sc2mashimaro wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

I once roleplayed a Hawke who had a bit of a thing for Meredith, and look how that turned out.

I laughed at this and thought you should know

Well, it was pretty funny in the end. My Hawke was such a sorry piece of misery after her lady crush went all 'KILL KILL STAB' on her.

Sc2mashimaro wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

I play games mostly to get away from the real world for a while, so yeah, I guess I'm more of an escapist player. I like not having to get frustrated because I'm denied an option I would love to have simply because I want to play a gay female. It hits a bit too close to home.

I get that. And I was thinking about it a little more and, if the resources were there to expand the romances a bit more so that the player did have more LI options in general, my position becomes more supportable. But I realized that it doesn't break immersion to have player-sexual romances for me and I also have the privilege of being a straight male. Not implying your sexual orientation is or is not that, but it dawned on me that while it is fun for me to role-play by bouncing around to whatever gender/orientation pops into my head, I also enjoy the escapist fantasy run-through as my own gender and orientation. Then, putting myself in the shoes of someone who is not heterosexual, I realized that sometimes this kind of play-through is just straight up denied to them and, honestly, never to me. And that sucks.

Hah, I like you. You're so refreshingly reasonable.
It's not the norm to have someone be so willing to put themselves into someone elses shoes. So thank you.

Sc2mashimaro wrote...

I'm still holding out for an awesome solution! Never doubt that someone creative enough will find a way to do something we thought was impossible yesterday!

Never give up hope! One day they might just find a solution that everyone is happy with. (Or at least those with reasonable expectations.)

Sc2mashimaro wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

I don't envy Bioware. People are gonna get pissed off whatever they do.

Agreed. They get more flak thrown their way than they deserve.

We should just start offering warm hugs and encouraging whispers to the poor, abused devs.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Am I the only one that thought by "balanced", the OP meant personalitywise when they saw this thread? I really hope they will have a balanced set of personalities (Good->Neutral->Evil spectrum). As for which way they swing... cant say I care :<

[Urazz]

I didn't like the playersexual thing in DA2 as it seemed more lazy than anything else. People have their preferences and if bioware wants us to think of these characters as close to people as possible then they should put those in.

Some characters are straight like Alistair and Morrigan, some are bisexual like Leliana, Zevran, and Isabela, and then there are those that are gay like Cortez and Traynor in ME3. It can be something that helps defines a character.

[The Antagonist]

In order to be completely fair, there should be zero romances for everyone

[Sidney]

Urazz wrote...
Some characters are straight like Alistair and Morrigan, some are bisexual like Leliana, Zevran, and Isabela, and then there are those that are gay like Cortez and Traynor in ME3. It can be something that helps defines a character.

Yeah and for robo-sexuals like my Shep it was beyond frustrating. Robo-dog kept putting it out and scanning me with its blue light thing so I knew it was into that sorta thing but never once responded to any of my clever pickup lines.

FNV had the same thing where their characters were fixed as best I recall. I never had an issue and the fact that Traynor and Cortez didn't play both sides of the fence also never bothered me.

[Minttymint]

Really? If you didn't get the signature edition you had to pay for Sebastian and many don't even consider him as a proper romance anyway... This is nothing. Imagine being a straight lady playing Mass Effect 3 or even a gay male! Now that was unfair.

[Angrywolves]

Don't think we really needed another romance thread that is likely to be controversial and get closed.

I wanted Aveline to be romancible as well.I have heard the writers wanted Aveline to be considered "ugly",She certainly wasn't ugly.

I didn't like the DA2 playsexual dynamic.I feel since the romances will be more romance driven , more determined by actions and not words or gifts that it won't be playsexual. Some Li's will be straight, some gay and some bi. I would prefer it that way quite frankly.

 "In order to be completely fair, there should be zero romances for everyone". You know that won't be happening code, so why say it ?

Modifié par Angrywolves, 14 décembre 2013 - 04:03 .

[ignoreality]

Urazz wrote...

I didn't like the playersexual thing in DA2 as it seemed more lazy than anything else. People have their preferences and if bioware wants us to think of these characters as close to people as possible then they should put those in.

I don't even understand why the "playersexual" thing offends people so much. It's fair to all players regardless of their gender/sexuality and it does not destroy immersion the slightest -- unless it's the knowledge that a character CAN have different sexuality in someone else's playthrough that upsets you, and then I have to call you petty for that. Because if you claim that either of the four LIs in DA2 has a personality that points to a certain sexual orientation, I'll call bull****.

[MKDAWUSS]

I'd rather all possible LIs shoot you down. Hard.

[wright1978]

Sidney wrote...

Urazz wrote...
Some characters are straight like Alistair and Morrigan, some are bisexual like Leliana, Zevran, and Isabela, and then there are those that are gay like Cortez and Traynor in ME3. It can be something that helps defines a character.

Yeah and for robo-sexuals like my Shep it was beyond frustrating. Robo-dog kept putting it out and scanning me with its blue light thing so I knew it was into that sorta thing but never once responded to any of my clever pickup lines.

FNV had the same thing where their characters were fixed as best I recall. I never had an issue and the fact that Traynor and Cortez didn't play both sides of the fence also never bothered me.

I think the level of content suffered though as the number of LI's inflated. If they can still deliver an acceptable level ofchoice & the level of content per LI doesn't go down by introducing more LI's to fit fixed preferences then sure. If not i'd prefer the DA2 approach.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Anders was the only decent DA2 romance, IMO.


Isabela was a good one-night-stand. A serious relationship with her, though, is corny.

[wright1978]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Anders was the only decent DA2 romance, IMO.


Isabela was a good one-night-stand. A serious relationship with her, though, is corny.

Personally i disagree as i think her romance arc is extremely good.

[Blackrising]

codenamesource wrote...

In order to be completely fair, there should be zero romances for everyone

Quite frankly, I'd rather abolish romances altogether than have another DA:O situation or even 6 LIs with set sexualities.

Either I get the same exact choices as everyone else, or there are no choices at all. That's what I would prefer, anyway. *shrug*

[sylvanaerie]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Anders was the only decent DA2 romance, IMO.


Isabela was a good one-night-stand. A serious relationship with her, though, is corny.

I disagree.  Of the four options, Isabela was my favorite.  I never could bring myself to romance Anders because I hated him.  Different strokes for different folks.

[Volus Warlord]

This thread.



Please, just don't bring up DA2. Just don't.

[manbobjoe]

Player sexuality is just plain stupid, sexuality is an important(and stable) part of a person(or in this case character) and having it be so malleable is just silly.

[jaza]

codenamesource wrote...

In order to be completely fair, there should be zero romances for everyone

Haha oh god I wish this would happen. The sheer butthurt that would ensue on this forum would be incredible

[The Elder King]

Blackrising wrote...

codenamesource wrote...

In order to be completely fair, there should be zero romances for everyone

Quite frankly, I'd rather abolish romances altogether than have another DA:O situation or even 6 LIs with set sexualities.

Either I get the same exact choices as everyone else, or there are no choices at all. That's what I would prefer, anyway. *shrug*

I woudn't mind a Bioware game with no romances (they're not a core feature for me), but I don't understand your opinion, expecially in reference of the six LI. Preferring to not have LI because there's a change you can't romance the character you want, or having some limitations in the choice seems a bit excessive to me.
It seems that you might be disappointed in DAI though, since there are chances they'll being back set sexualities.

[The Elder King]

manbobjoe wrote...

Player sexuality is just plain stupid, sexuality is an important(and stable) part of a person(or in this case character) and having it be so malleable is just silly.

So you'll be fine if the characters are all bisexuals, with clear evidence in-game of this regardless if you follow a romance path?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

wright1978 wrote...

Personally i disagree as i think her romance arc is extremely good.

"Arc" is not the word I'd use to describe it. That would imply steady progression from start to finish.

It's more like a backwards-L.

First she's like "Bah, love;" and then one day out of the blue it becomes "OMG I'm falling for you Hawke!" Between start to finish, there's really nothing I saw to indicate Hawke was anything more than another notch on her belt. Well, he/she may be more impressive than most of the folks she's slept with, but I saw nothing to indicate actual feelings for him/her.

sylvanaerie wrote...

I disagree.  Of the four options, Isabela was my favorite.  I never could bring myself to romance Anders because I hated him.  Different strokes for different folks.

Isabela is a much better character than Anders. No question. I just think the actual romance for Anders was well done (at least through the friendship path), and for Isabela, it was lacking. With Anders it actually makes sense why he'd have feelings for you, and when you get the "Justice" quests in Act 3 there's some interesting dramatic friction between lovers, lol.

And I say this as a straight male player -- canon Hawke is female.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 14 décembre 2013 - 05:22 .

[manbobjoe]

hhh89 wrote...

manbobjoe wrote...

Player sexuality is just plain stupid, sexuality is an important(and stable) part of a person(or in this case character) and having it be so malleable is just silly.

So you'll be fine if the characters are all bisexuals, with clear evidence in-game of this regardless if you follow a romance path?

It would be strange considering less than 1/20th of the American population is LGBT, and I'd think that percentage would be far less in a stand in medieval world, but if that's the direction they're going in it would be fine by me.

Modifié par manbobjoe, 14 décembre 2013 - 05:31 .

[Killdren88]

These kinds of threads have been done to death. And the results will be the same. Big argument then thread closes.

[Angrywolves]

Killdren88 wrote...

These kinds of threads have been done to death. And the results will be the same. Big argument then thread closes.

agree.

[sylvanaerie]

I never felt Isabela was lacking. I felt her conflict, that was actually well written and it became more than just a one night stand with a floozy. Hawke may have started as a 'notch on her belt' but Kit sneaked right in there and stole her heart. (Which really fit my RP for them).

And I say this as a straight female player--my canon Hawke was a female who romanced Isabela (my first f/f in a video game) and it felt perfectly natural to me.

[Paul E Dangerously]

ignoreality wrote...

Urazz wrote...

I didn't like the playersexual thing in DA2 as it seemed more lazy than anything else. People have their preferences and if bioware wants us to think of these characters as close to people as possible then they should put those in.

I don't even understand why the "playersexual" thing offends people so much. It's fair to all players regardless of their gender/sexuality and it does not destroy immersion the slightest -- unless it's the knowledge that a character CAN have different sexuality in someone else's playthrough that upsets you, and then I have to call you petty for that. Because if you claim that either of the four LIs in DA2 has a personality that points to a certain sexual orientation, I'll call bull****.

Take that same logic and apply it to say - gameplay or difficulty and watch the forums start a riot. For some reason the "don't lock out anyone ever" mentality is a-ok to apply to romance, but if you do it to other areas the forumites start heralding doom because Bioware/EA wants to attract the dreaded casuals/CoD crowd.