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[Blackrising]

hhh89 wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

codenamesource wrote...

In order to be completely fair, there should be zero romances for everyone

Quite frankly, I'd rather abolish romances altogether than have another DA:O situation or even 6 LIs with set sexualities.

Either I get the same exact choices as everyone else, or there are no choices at all. That's what I would prefer, anyway. *shrug*

I woudn't mind a Bioware game with no romances (they're not a core feature for me), but I don't understand your opinion, expecially in reference of the six LI. Preferring to not have LI because there's a change you can't romance the character you want, or having some limitations in the choice seems a bit excessive to me.
It seems that you might be disappointed in DAI though, since there are chances they'll being back set sexualities.

I'm simply tired of having to switch to a male character, something I can't identify with and simply do not want to play, just to experience a romance I'm satisfied with. Not to mention that it will have less emotional impact on me.
I am also not looking forward to....people...bragging about how they got their way and were clearly right from the very beginning. (Because we all know that's gonna happen.)
Give me the same options, or don't give any at all.

If they do go back to set sexualities, they're probably gonna go for the 6 LIs route. If that happens, I will have to wait and see who will be available to me and then decide if it's worth the frustration. If they go back to giving straight characters more options than gay ones (which I doubt, thankfully), I won't be buying the game on principle.

But don't mind me. Media and humanity itself has made me cynical and petty.

[The Elder King]

@Blackrising: I understand your point. I don't have this problem because I enjoy making characters with different gender and sexualities, but I see why it'd trouble some people.
I don't think they'll return to DAO's path, since Gaider stated that their goal is to give multiple choices to everyone.
It's true that some people will think that they changed Bioware's mind, though Gaider stated multiple times that his favourite approach is to give multiple options with set sexualities. If they'll go that route it'd just mean that they have the resources and will to do so. Though this will not stop people bragging about it.

[Hellion Rex]

Seboist wrote...

edited: removed inflammatory content ~Mod05

Hardly pandering to have a little more representation in a game.

Modifié par BioWareMod05, 15 décembre 2013 - 02:34 .

[Hellion Rex]

Blackrising wrote...

I'm simply tired of having to switch to a male character, something I can't identify with and simply do not want to play, just to experience a romance I'm satisfied with. Not to mention that it will have less emotional impact on me.
I am also not looking forward to....people...bragging about how they got their way and were clearly right from the very beginning. (Because we all know that's gonna happen.)
Give me the same options, or don't give any at all.

If they do go back to set sexualities, they're probably gonna go for the 6 LIs route. If that happens, I will have to wait and see who will be available to me and then decide if it's worth the frustration. If they go back to giving straight characters more options than gay ones (which I doubt, thankfully), I won't be buying the game on principle.

So much this.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Once upon a time there was a user on BSN called Mohsen. He used to use the term "Pansexual" and he actually believed in it. His impression was really creepy.

[Hellion Rex]

Kaiser Arian wrote...

Once upon a time there was a user on BSN called Mohsen. He used to use the term "Pansexual" and he actually believed in it. His impression was really creepy.

Pansexuality exists though...

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

eluvianix wrote...

Kaiser Arian wrote...

Once upon a time there was a user on BSN called Mohsen. He used to use the term "Pansexual" and he actually believed in it. His impression was really creepy.

Pansexuality exists though...

Yep... flesh is flesh. I honestly believe bisexuality, lesibian and gay are human constructs. Doesent matter if you take sexual pleasure from a male, female, rock, a tree, a corpse, an animal, a hole in the road or an alien. Culture decides such things. In many cultures there isnt even words for restrictors in sexuality like being a lesbian.

That said, Im straight. So saying that makes me a hippocrite I guess?

Modifié par SomeoneStoleMyName, 14 décembre 2013 - 06:12 .

[Hellion Rex]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...
Yep... flesh is flesh. I honestly believe bisexuality, lesibian and gay are human constructs. Doesent matter if you take sexual pleasure from a male, female, rock, a tree, a corpse, an animal, a hole in the road or an alien. Culture decides such things. In many cultures there isnt even words for restrictors in sexuality like being a lesbian.

That said, Im straight. So saying that makes me a hippocrite I guess?

Hardly. That viewpoint is a hell of a lot smarter than most people might give it credit for.

[ignoreality]

Seboist wrote...

ignoreality wrote...
I don't even understand why the "playersexual" thing offends people so much. It's fair to all players regardless of their gender/sexuality and it does not destroy immersion the slightest -- unless it's the knowledge that a character CAN have different sexuality in someone else's playthrough that upsets you, and then I have to call you petty for that. Because if you claim that either of the four LIs in DA2 has a personality that points to a certain sexual orientation, I'll call bull****.

edited: removed inflammatory content ~Mod05[/i]

That's an... interesting explanation you came up with.

I'm kinda sure Bioware cares more about not making LGBT people feel excluded than satisfying Japanese manga fans.

Modifié par BioWareMod05, 15 décembre 2013 - 02:35 .

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Elfman wrote...

I'm thinking this won't end well. For you OP. Especially since straight male players/characters have had 2 LIs in both games. It hasn't been perfect in either game if you ask me but it was far worse in Origins where gay players/characters only had 1 LI. There was no choice for them included.

Non straight romances also were mostly completely ignored in Origins too & didn't have a kiss anywhere option like alistair & morrigan did.

[Scroll]

I hope the LIs preferences will be about race, class and PC choices. I'd love it if Cassandra only would fall for a dwarf, warrior, supporter of Red Jenny - regardless of gender. xD

[General TSAR]

No, you won't get to bang everyone.

Deal with it.

[Rebel Wolf]

General TSAR wrote...

No, you won't get to bang everyone.

Deal with it.

Um,no.
If I save the world people should want sexytimes.
Be nice if Varric became a LI,not even interested in the other two.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 14 décembre 2013 - 08:38 .

[wolfsite]

No matter how it is sorted out, people will complain.  You know we will get "Why isn't X character stright" or "Why isn't Y character Bi/Gay."

Some people will just not be satisfied if things are not done to "there" desires.

I still remember the one thread were the one person was trashing Bioware because Kaiden was Bisexual and they wanted him completely gay to fit there head canon.

[Rebel Wolf]

Kaiser Arian wrote...

Once upon a time there was a user on BSN called Mohsen. He used to use the term "Pansexual" and he actually believed in it. His impression was really creepy.

So,I'm bisexual you against that too?
I don't see how being pansexual is "creepy"

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 14 décembre 2013 - 08:31 .

[Battlebloodmage]

uhm... there is no gay characters at all in both games while straight players have 2 options to choose from, how is it balanced in the first place? You count bi male and bi female as one entity?

[CuriousArtemis]

I love the people who complain about not having choice in an RPG... and then completely contradict themselves by saying they want less choice when it comes to the romances.

[GDog89]

Well I hope we get atleast 2 humans, 1 Qunari, 2 Dwarves, and 2 Elves

[TEWR]

KC_Prototype wrote...

In DA:O, we had the perfect balance of LIs with 1 that was gender locked and 2 that were bi. But in DA2, it  seemed straight male characters got the kick to the curb because we only two options(I didn't take kindly to Anders or Fenris hitting on me and no neutral option to say thanks but I'm straight),

Wait, when did Fenris hit on the player? If you flirted with him by picking the flirt option, and he flirted back, that's kinda on you. Everything else he said was not flirtatious in any way.

Anders on the other hand, well, my issue wasn't so much with him flirting with me but rather the lack of a kind way to say "I'm flattered, but you'd be wasting your time". Hawke's response was decidedly douchey. That was it. Him flirting with me was fine, natural even. The PC doesn't always need to be the initiator

My other problem with it was how Anders got Rivalry for it, despite DG saying before DAII's release that Rivalry would not be equated with disapproval and would focus on their core issues. Anders being disappointed, natural. Anders disapproving of being let down and gaining Rivalry, not right. Worse when you don't have a fair way to let him down, but two ways to say you are interested. Like, I'd be fine if I could just let Anders down fairly, because that's what I've done in real life in similar situations. I don't go "I DON'T WANT YOU THINKING OF ME THAT WAY".

And although the points gained are miniscule and easily fixable, my issue is more for how nonsensical it is to have them there in the first place.

But for the idea of LIs being bisexual, I don't care much about that anymore. The entire party isn't bisexual. It just so happens that Bioware isn't making all the LIs bisexual, but making all the bisexual characters LIs. Which is different.

Though I would like more to the romances other then "They're bisexual, but all we really do is swap out gender pronouns."

Now, if Varric ends up being romanceable, I'm not sure how I'll feel about that. On the one hand, it'd be cool to have a female Dwarf romance him but on the other hand...

Bianca. And I don't mean the crossbow.

[CuriousArtemis]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Anders on the other hand, well, my issue wasn't so much with him flirting with me but rather the lack of a kind way to say "I'm flattered, but you'd be wasting your time". Hawke's response was decidedly douchey. That was it. Him flirting with me was fine, natural even. The PC doesn't always need to be the initiator

My other problem with it was how Anders got Rivalry for it, despite DG saying before DAII's release that Rivalry would not be equated with disapproval and would focus on their core issues. Anders being disappointed, natural. Anders disapproving of being let down and gaining Rivalry, not right. Worse when you don't have a fair way to let him down, but two ways to say you are interested. Like, I'd be fine if I could just let Anders down fairly, because that's what I've done in real life in similar situations. I don't go "I DON'T WANT YOU THINKING OF ME THAT WAY".

I agree with you 100%, and I never really thought about the rivalry issue, how letting him down shouldn't have resulted in rivalry, if rivalry truly meant what they said it meant.

[Paul E Dangerously]

motomotogirl wrote...

I love the people who complain about not having choice in an RPG... and then completely contradict themselves by saying they want less choice when it comes to the romances.

How about people that complain they want more meaningful choices and better characterization but draw the line when it comes to "PC X might not sleep with me ;_;".

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Anders on the other hand,
well, my issue wasn't so much with him flirting with me but rather the
lack of a kind way to say "I'm flattered, but you'd be wasting your
time". Hawke's response was decidedly douchey. That was it. Him flirting
with me was fine, natural even.

My problem with this was that it can be literally five minutes after you kill off his first lover. Who needs a grieving period or anything? 

Plus, both of the paths that lead M!Hawke into refusing make him sound like the biggest biggot in the world. I really don't get why it was necessary to not only punish a player who didn't take the gay path, but also make them sound like that in the process. No real lack of bias by the writer there, huh?

Modifié par Sopa de Gato, 15 décembre 2013 - 01:43 .

[Thomas Andresen]

I really don't think they're going to go the playersexual route and make everyone BI again after reading Gaider's many many quotes over the course of the year and Perry's statement that he would not say anyone can romance anyone but they have a type.

I'm pretty sure that what Perry was talking about was decisions within the narrative that would lock people out of romances, not their gender preferences.

Gaider has never proclaimed "all LIs BI!" as the "bestest solution evah", but what he has said is that with limited budget to spend on romances, fairness trumps realism. He's only said that the only case in which they'd make a more realistic selection would be if they made more companions romance-able. Like, if they put six romances in the game. But that's not going to happen so long as romances remain in the back seat, which it will. That is, unless Winter Wolves somehow got involved.

[Hazegurl]

I want all romanceable companions to be available to both genders. It's not Bw's fault some people don't know how to role play on a role playing game.

[Hellion Rex]

Hazegurl wrote...

I want all romanceable companions to be available to both genders. It's not Bw's fault some people don't know how to role play on a role playing game.