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[Sanunes]

Bester76 wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...
My bigger issue is how ME4 is going to be as epic in scope as its predecessors. The previous three were dealing with the end of all life as we know it, so how exactly do you up the ante from there?

It can't be. Trying to outdo the original trilogy's scope is a non-starter. Any new story would need to be a much more intimate affair.

I'm still yet to hear a realistic idea for a new game in the ME universe that I like.

I think that is why its a good idea to have a new avatar for the player, for otherwise we would see "here is the next bad guy the Reapers didn't know about and they are a more deadly foe".  If the Reapers weren't designed to be the biggest bad on the block it might have worked out better, but really the premise of the Reapers was bad enough, I just don't think making another enemy that is even stronger them would be fun to play.  That or the other option might be "here is a top secret group of Reapers that didn't die because of reasons when Shepard saved the galaxy" in either case to me it would be the same problem Halo is having with trying to keep Master Chief in the game.

The other nice thing about a new avatar is that all the previous choices can be pretty much ignored, I know for some this is also a deal breaker but to me its a good thing for they won't have to try and shoehorn in nods to the previous games.

Modifié par Sanunes, 16 décembre 2013 - 12:32 .

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

Funny thing to worry about. Three of my Shepards are alive.

All but one of my Shepards are alive

But no thanks to Bioware's "Art"

[Iakus]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

My bigger issue is how ME4 is going to be as epic in scope as its predecessors. The previous three were dealing with the end of all life as we know it, so how exactly do you up the ante from there?

Why would they want to?

As long as it's a good stroy, focused more on being entertaining than being artistic, what does it matter what the scope is?

[dreamgazer]

Man, I wish I had a nickel for the number of times I've seen the goobers on this forum go on about "art".

[Iakus]

dreamgazer wrote...

Man, I wish I had a nickel for the number of times I've seen the goobers on this forum go on about "art".

Perhaps you need clarity and closure in order to understand? :innocent:

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Man, I wish I had a nickel for the number of times I've seen the goobers on this forum go on about "art".

Perhaps you need clarity and closure in order to understand? :innocent:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I understand just fine, sir. 

[N7Gold]

It will be something I'm sure I'll get used to.

[o Ventus]

Not at all the same.

My expectations are almost nil for ME4.

[AlanC9]

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Funny thing to worry about. Three of my Shepards are alive.

All but one of my Shepards are alive

But no thanks to Bioware's "Art"

Good thing the mod's there to save them from you.

[marcelo caldas]

The franchise needs a restart, but It would be great to play 1 more mission with Shepard, maybe the last one on ME to overpower the game.

[marcelo caldas]

StreetMagic wrote...

I'm pretty sure my Shepard is alive. I'm just disappointed they simply didn't want to convey much of that part of the story. It's a deliberate dick move. I don't see it in any kind of good light. It's needlessly vague and not exactly "good business" (as far as keeping a customer happy). But I'm not going say he's not alive - I think they put enough of a message in there to show it to be the case.

I said this before, Bioware should put more video game and less art in the next ME.
People who plays video game, especialy RPG's, wants to PLAY video game.

[K-Mart]

It won't be the same, but I hope it's amazeballs and different enough to have me addicted like the original trilogy. If Shep isn't the main character (and I don't see how that can be done), I would prefer it didn't feature any of the characters we have met so far.
As much as I liked the idea of seeing King Allistair etc in DA2 it was never "right". I didn't think he would look that way, or refer to my character that way. Too many variables. Too much head-cannon.

[Grizzly46]

caldas wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

I'm pretty sure my Shepard is alive. I'm just disappointed they simply didn't want to convey much of that part of the story. It's a deliberate dick move. I don't see it in any kind of good light. It's needlessly vague and not exactly "good business" (as far as keeping a customer happy). But I'm not going say he's not alive - I think they put enough of a message in there to show it to be the case.

I said this before, Bioware should put more video game and less art in the next ME.
People who plays video game, especialy RPG's, wants to PLAY video game.

Pretty much my pet peeve with what was wrong with ME3 (most of it was damn good mind you) was that control was taken away from the player - control of what to say, who to agree with, and even opinions were tacked on Shepard. Apparently a lot of this was made to make a "more cinematical experience" if I remember that right; but that kind of thing has nothing to do in a game, especially if it is stuff that defines a character or drives the plot forward.

Taking away control from the player is such a major no-no I can't believe they actually did it. It's like going to the St Peter's church and call the pope a goddamn atheist.

[Mcfly616]

Will it be the same? Nope. It'll be even better.

[Navasha]

I didn't know anything about Shepard when I played Mass Effect for the first time. Still thought it was one amazing game. Assassins Creed has had multiple main protagonists. Loved each of them for different reasons.

I see no reason why ME4 with an all new starring character won't be as equally satisfying.

Decades ago, I had read the Hobbit. Bilbo was a "friend" I followed on his long amazing adventure. Didn't stop me from liking Frodo too.

Modifié par Navasha, 16 décembre 2013 - 09:27 .

[Matthias King]

o Ventus wrote...

Not at all the same.

My expectations are almost nil for ME4.

I feel the same way. 

Mass Effect without Shepard is also Mass Effect without Garrus, or Liara, or Tali, or Wrex, or Ashley, or Jack, or Grunt, or any of the Normandy crew, or even the Normandy itself. 

Without those attachments that have been developed over years, I can't see myself having much interest in the next game, especially given the fact that Bioware seems determined to wash their hands of Shepard and the previous games entirely with their repeated, ardent insistence that people not call the next game Mass Effect 4, because clearly, in their eyes, being associated with the previous three games is so disrespectful and such a massive disservice to the next game.

Honestly, I'm only interested in the multiplayer portion of the next DON'T CALL IT MASS EFFECT game, a fact which is a bit depressing by itself.  But the truth is that after the ending debacle, I've simply lost faith in Bioware to tell a cohesive story.

Personally, I think that if they weren't going to continue the Mass Effect that we know and love, they should have just left the series alone and started a new IP with no connection to Mass Effect whatsoever, rather than continue something that either shouldn't be continued, or will be continued very poorly.

Modifié par Matthias King, 17 décembre 2013 - 03:35 .

[Mcfly616]

Meh....Back in the day I'm sure many felt that Star Trek wouldn't be "Star Trek" without Kirk, Spock, Scottie, Uhura etc etc.


And now, many Trekkies prefer TNG over TOS. Many trekkies like Picard more than Kirk.

Whether you like the new characters or not is one thing. But Mass Effect can be better than it was with Shepard and his crew. And it will most definitely survive without them. Many sci fi universes have done it. Star Trek most notably.

The galaxy is a big place. It'd be a shame to limit it to such a small circle of people.

[Iakus]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Will it be the same? Nope. It'll be even better.

It would be very hard for them to do worse, I'll give you that 

[Mcfly616]

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Will it be the same? Nope. It'll be even better.

It would be very hard for them to do worse, I'll give you that 

I hope that's sarcasm...

[SilencedScream]

Matthias King wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Not at all the same.

My expectations are almost nil for ME4.

I feel the same way. 

Mass Effect without Shepard is also Mass Effect without Garrus, or Liara, or Tali, or Wrex, or Ashley, or Jack, or Grunt, or any of the Normandy crew, or even the Normandy itself. 

Without those attachments that have been developed over years, I can't see myself having much interest in the next game, especially given the fact that Bioware seems determined to wash their hands of Shepard and the previous games entirely with their repeated, ardent insistence that people not call the next game Mass Effect 4, because clearly, in their eyes, being associated with the previous three games is so disrespectful and such a massive disservice to the next game.

Honestly, I'm only interested in the multiplayer portion of the next DON'T CALL IT MASS EFFECT game, a fact which is a bit depressing by itself.  But the truth is that after the ending debacle, I've simply lost faith in Bioware to tell a cohesive story.

Personally, I think that if they weren't going to continue the Mass Effect that we know and love, they should have just left the series alone and started a new IP with no connection to Mass Effect whatsoever, rather than continue something that either shouldn't be continued, or will be continued very poorly.

This sums me up perfectly.
At this point in time, I've all but decided that I won't be purchasing the game - and that's simply because of the last ~7 minutes of the trilogy.

My issue, honestly, doesn't even have to do with Shepard's death. I don't mind that possibility at all; that or anyone else from the crew. I just wanted a cohesive story where, when it was all said and done, my major actions were recognized and somehow affected what was going on.

The extended cut was an improvement, but it was comparable to throwing a newspaper over dog excrement, in my opinion: at least it made it look less like ****, even if it still was.

Whether the next installment is a buy or not, I can at least guarantee this: it sure as hell won't be a pre-order, or perhaps even a first month purchase.

Modifié par SilencedScream, 17 décembre 2013 - 04:37 .

[Volc19]

In my mind, Shepard has always been nothing more than my tool to interact with the game's universe. I never really saw Shepard as a character, and since I know that the next game will actually have a main protagonist, I won't miss Shepard at all.

I'll miss the old characters though. Never seeing Garrus, Zaeed, Mordin, Javik and Legion again is pretty sad, though I'm sure they can make some more characters that are just as likeable and compelling.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Will it be the same? Nope. It'll be even better.

Optimism, I like it.

[Arcian]

Mcfly616 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Will it be the same? Nope. It'll be even better.

It would be very hard for them to do worse, I'll give you that 

I hope that's sarcasm...

You liking bad things don't make them good things.