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[Iakus]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

 It will be better. Because I might be able to play as a non human this time. 

how is playing a nonhuman charcoal briquette in the making more fun than a human charcoal briquette?

[Iakus]

justafan wrote...

Am I the only one who was never really attached to "Shepard" as a character? As far as I was concerned, Shepard was just a player avatar with a few pre-set personality traits. The real main characters were the NPCs. I didn't get attached to Shepard over three games because there are so many different iterations of the same character, a saint in one play through and psychopath in another. I was attached to the choices and the impact I made through Shepard.

My character is my character.  Shepard is mine in a way Ezio, Joel, and Nathan Drake can't hope to be.  

[Massa FX]

I think Bioware can address "The Shepard" in ME4 - ME2K. Shepard's story is over, but they can integrate Shepard references in any forthcoming sequel MEU game. I can't imagine Shepard not being mentioned or codex'd in some way in upcoming product.

S/he's the only reason why the galaxy survives as long as it does. Unless the next game is a prequel/alternate galaxy/alternate timeline/50 million years into the future, I think they will have some mention of Shepard.

However, it won't be the same. I've accepted this as fact and look forward to the next ME game. To mitigate the loss of Shepard with satisfactory closure, I replay ME1 and ME2...often. And get that feels good thrill each time I play.

Its such a tribute to Bioware that fans still debate/bemoan/praise Mass Effect after so many years. What other video game has this type of following?

[Massa FX]

justafan wrote...

Am I the only one who was never really attached to "Shepard" as a character? As far as I was concerned, Shepard was just a player avatar with a few pre-set personality traits. The real main characters were the NPCs. I didn't get attached to Shepard over three games because there are so many different iterations of the same character, a saint in one play through and psychopath in another. I was attached to the choices and the impact I made through Shepard.

I could care less about having Shepard in the next game. Give me squad mates I will come to love or love to hate and I will be pleased. Give me a good plot with proper stakes and consequences and I will be happy. Nothing that I loved about the series has to die with Shepard, and a new protagonist will hopefully allow for new ideas to find their way into the mix.

I told this to D240 months ago (over a year ago?). I don't get why I'm so attached to Shepard's story. I don't understand why a video game character has such draw with me. It's just a game. But its a game that got under my skin and wrapped itself around my heart. I genuinely like Shepard and her unreal life. I genuinely like all the characters and relationships she has. Like a favorite book character I've attached to, Shepard's video game story will be something I'll keep in my top list of best vid game fun ever. 

And no... this doesn't make me a wacked crazy person. And no... if people don't put the character in as high regard as I, it doesn't make them wacked crazy either.

[eye basher]

To me shepard is like the master chief in halo by halo 3 i just wanted him dead and gone but like a bad rash he just doesn't go away.

[Only-Twin]

It won't be the same, but it could be as good or better. There is no reason a new character won't be as good as Shepard, if the writing is strong.

As for ME3, I think I get what Bioware was going for in ME3 and I don't think it ruined everything. They had an interesting concept that could have been something to debate for years after. But the writing didn't back it up. It sure sparked debate, but for the wrong reasons.

I believe Bioware is smart enough to recognize their mistakes (PR doesn't reflect everyone working there) and can deliver something as good or stronger than Shepard and past Mass Effect games.

Or I could be wrong.

[clarkusdarkus]

Hmmm well i seen my shepard as the reason to play ME, Just like snake makes me play MGS, Link for Zelda, Kratos for GOW etc, Shepard had the potential to be an iconic videogame character but Bioware ruined that by killing him/her off and telling us to buy DLC to further that supposed legend is just Bioware in a nutshell as of late, Mediocre writing, Shallow gameplay and a target audience that doesn't care for RPG.

[AlanC9]

What is this "iconic videogame character" of which you speak?

[The Heretic of Time]

Shepard is a bland boring dunce, so he/she won't be missed by me.

If anything the franchise would be better off with a completely new protagonist, hopefully a properly written protagonist this time. You know, with actual proper depth and character development, and all that other good stuff that Shepard was completely missing (no matter how you player him/her).

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 30 décembre 2013 - 11:58 .

[Cobalt2113]

iakus wrote...

My character is my character.  Shepard is mine in a way Ezio, Joel, and Nathan Drake can't hope to be.  

Ok. But speaking in that sense, shouldn't a new non-Shepard protagonist be yours in the exact same way?

[CaIIisto]

Cobalt2113 wrote...

iakus wrote...

My character is my character.  Shepard is mine in a way Ezio, Joel, and Nathan Drake can't hope to be.  

Ok. But speaking in that sense, shouldn't a new non-Shepard protagonist be yours in the exact same way?

At least until they're hijacked in order to service the end of the story.....

[Iakus]

Bester76 wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

iakus wrote...

My character is my character.  Shepard is mine in a way Ezio, Joel, and Nathan Drake can't hope to be.  

Ok. But speaking in that sense, shouldn't a new non-Shepard protagonist be yours in the exact same way?

At least until they're hijacked in order to service the end of the story.....

Egg-zactly!

I was fine with the idea of Shepard's adventures ending with ME3 long ago.  But now, do I want to get invested in another character at all, knowing that person's story could end in the same manner?

[AlanC9]

You shouldn't.

Modifié par AlanC9, 30 décembre 2013 - 02:49 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Shepard is a bland boring dunce, so he/she won't be missed by me.

If anything the franchise would be better off with a completely new protagonist, hopefully a properly written protagonist this time. You know, with actual proper depth and character development, and all that other good stuff that Shepard was completely missing (no matter how you player him/her).

You can have that, but I personally view those as less likely to interest me. 

You can have all that and a barrel of fish, but you make one thing about him I don't like and I lose my interest and investment. I'll still play the game, but I won't give a damn about the character. At best. he'll be considered above average by me.

What you consider as bland and boring, I consider a blank canvas with a blank check. I like being free to do everything that entails Roleplaying, including my own characters backstory and character development. 

[Dr. Megaverse]

Nah, not really.

[The Heretic of Time]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Shepard is a bland boring dunce, so he/she won't be missed by me.

If anything the franchise would be better off with a completely new protagonist, hopefully a properly written protagonist this time. You know, with actual proper depth and character development, and all that other good stuff that Shepard was completely missing (no matter how you player him/her).

You can have that, but I personally view those as less likely to interest me. 

You can have all that and a barrel of fish, but you make one thing about him I don't like and I lose my interest and investment. I'll still play the game, but I won't give a damn about the character. At best. he'll be considered above average by me.

What you consider as bland and boring, I consider a blank canvas with a blank check. I like being free to do everything that entails Roleplaying, including my own characters backstory and character development. 

Imaginaging stuff that isn't really there and basically writing your own little fanfic in your head while playing the game, or what you call "roleplaying", doesn't mate the writing on the actual screen in the actual game any better. Shepard in your head might be super cool, but Shepard in the game is a bland, forgettable and a chump.

Shepard isn't even a blank canvas either. Play Skyrim or Dragon Age: Origins if you want to see what a blank canvas character is like. Shepard isn't that. He isn't blank or with a blank check, he's just a poorly written dunce with no actual character development, that's completely different from a blank canvas.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 30 décembre 2013 - 05:33 .

[David7204]

How many hours have you spent you here desperately proclaiming as loudly as you can how 'forgettable' the character and series are, Hanar? You think it's in the dozens or the hundreds?

Tsk tsk tsk...hours...and hours...and hours...

Modifié par David7204, 30 décembre 2013 - 05:36 .

[AlanC9]

David, are you sure you really want to open up the topic of whether another poster is spending too much time articulating a particular perspective on the game?

[David7204]

Absolutely. I have no illusions, Alan, I know I spend a good deal of leisure time here. The difference is, you'll never hear me make such silly, silly statements. Statements that reek of such...desperate denial?

[Invisible Man]

shep wasn't really a blank canvas IMHO, we couldn't cherry pick our shepard's actions. it was more like we got to pick where, when & how much a hero/ine or bastard he or she was. I'm not saying that makes it less or more than it is, or I think it is, or whatever. it just is.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Absolutely. I have no illusions, Alan, I know I spend a good deal of leisure time here. The difference is, you'll never hear me make such silly, silly statements. Statements that reek of such...desperate denial?

To be honest, it's all I ever see of you on here.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Shepard is a bland boring dunce, so he/she won't be missed by me.

If anything the franchise would be better off with a completely new protagonist, hopefully a properly written protagonist this time. You know, with actual proper depth and character development, and all that other good stuff that Shepard was completely missing (no matter how you player him/her).

You can have that, but I personally view those as less likely to interest me. 

You can have all that and a barrel of fish, but you make one thing about him I don't like and I lose my interest and investment. I'll still play the game, but I won't give a damn about the character. At best. he'll be considered above average by me.

What you consider as bland and boring, I consider a blank canvas with a blank check. I like being free to do everything that entails Roleplaying, including my own characters backstory and character development. 

Imaginaging stuff that isn't really there and basically writing your own little fanfic in your head while playing the game, or what you call "roleplaying", doesn't mate the writing on the actual screen in the actual game any better. Shepard in your head might be super cool, but Shepard in the game is a bland, forgettable and a chump.

Shepard isn't even a blank canvas either. Play Skyrim or Dragon Age: Origins if you want to see what a blank canvas character is like. Shepard isn't that. He isn't blank or with a blank check, he's just a poorly written dunce with no actual character development, that's completely different from a blank canvas.

I disagree completely. There really is no difference to how I'm able to portray Shepard in ME1 or ME2 that goes against the grain of what I want him to be in my own version of him. In ME3, that's where things start taking a turn towards directions I don't want him to make and am made to deal with in the game. 

You're not really telling me how or why you think he's a bland, forgettable chump. You're just telling me that he is.

I played both Skyrim and DA:O. While I certainly agree for DA:O being able to really canvas a character to an extent, I'm a bit more reserved on your assertion for Skyrim. I honestly don't see the problem that you have with Shepard that you see with him. I'm not going to say its not there for you, but it's certainly not there for me, at least not until ME3.

[brasidas2]

Dear bioware...

Why do you include a survival scene if Shepard's story is over?

(sorry if repost, but almost seems like it needs to be asked frequently)

[Sable Rhapsody]

iakus wrote...
Egg-zactly!

I was fine with the idea of Shepard's adventures ending with ME3 long ago.  But now, do I want to get invested in another character at all, knowing that person's story could end in the same manner?

Call me an eternal optimist, but I'd say ME3 was a sharp enough learning experience to steer clear of that sort of thing.  And even if ME4 is not feeling up to a fully customizable protagonist and open RP experience, even heavily pre-defined protagonists (Adam Jensen, Geralt, The Nameless One) can be RPed meaningfully if the game allows the player to shape and mold them as they go.

[Jiskathe kips]

I always loved the fact that you as player could save the universe.
It's gonna be weird without Shepard, i just hope the keep the human hero.
Kind of the underdog in the ME Universe.