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Why The Hell Is Calin Fighting On The Frontline?


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GmanFresh

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He is the freaking king.... in stolen throne maric stood a ways back....its should have been logain leading the force and  Calian waiting for the beacon...

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Herr Uhl

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Glory!

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errant_knight

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Because this is a medieval kingdom in an alternate reality. He's not just the political head of state, he's a war leader. You can't judge it based on the modern world. Shakespeare didn't have any trouble putting kings on the front line, so I don't think we have to worry over much about it here. ;)

Modifié par errant_knight, 20 janvier 2010 - 07:00 .


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many king's of old lead a charge, for the reason that most of there troops were scared ****less so the needed the kings to show that he wasn't afraid. its happend many times in our history.

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Maric got himself in trouble on the battlefield several times throughout Stolen Throne. Sometimes they tried to order him to stay behind, sometimes they let him fight, sometimes he just got into the fight anyways.



In any case, Cailan is young, full of himself, and full of glory stories of war. I don't think the possibility that he might die was too strong in his head, though there are the speculations that he made allowances for that probability when getting the tower beacon lit. He never really thought they would lose, having the Grey Wardens at his side and Loghain to back him up.

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GmanFresh wrote...

He is the freaking king.... in stolen throne maric stood a ways back....its should have been logain leading the force and  Calian waiting for the beacon...


Loghain told him leading the men in person was a bad idea. So naturally King Blondie McBrain decides that the front line is where he's got to be. He should have stuck to looking pretty and waving for the cameras. 

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He was seeking glory, he thought he was impenetrable with the Wardens at his side, he was victim of his own foolishness as well as Logain's deciet.

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Glory it was indeed.

Cailan was a great fool.

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He had a lot to live up to after Maric helped free the country from their opressive Orlesian conquerors. Unfortunately, he wasn't bright or mature enough to grasp that he had duty beyond seeking glory. Ya know, not putting himself in positions where he could be killed and therefore cause a fight for sucession that could potentially bring the country to it's knees in a time of danger, Loghain or no.

 Different story if he'd had heirs; I imagine it would have been easy for Anora to continue reigning with minimal opposition if she was the mother to the future King/Queen.

Modifié par Harelda, 20 janvier 2010 - 07:39 .


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His boots gave him a guaranteed 1/5 chance of survival against medium sized opponents and he probably figured he was awesome enough to make up for the other 4/5. Unfortunately, the ogre's grab attack was an auto hit. Bummer.

Modifié par Ulicus, 20 janvier 2010 - 07:42 .


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It's not surprising that the King was on the front line--in real life, as others have pointed out it was not unusual for kings to lead charges historically. What is surprising (and frankly defies belief in my opinion) is that he apparently didn't have a clear succession plan. While the nobles didn't always follow the King's intended line of succession (hence the civil war between Matilda & Steven in 12th century England for example), I find it diffiuclt to imagine a king riding into battle without making known his intended successor.

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He should have had an elite personal guard surrounding him,but taking the field and even fighting isn't unheard of for a king. Alexander the Great is probably the most famous example of this, but William the Conquerer and Harold the II both took the field at Hastings, Richard I fought in many battles and Richard the III took the field at Bosworth (and was the last British king to die in battle).

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Lord Phoebus wrote...

He should have had an elite personal guard surrounding him,but taking the field and even fighting isn't unheard of for a king. Alexander the Great is probably the most famous example of this, but William the Conquerer and Harold the II both took the field at Hastings, Richard I fought in many battles and Richard the III took the field at Bosworth (and was the last British king to die in battle).


The last English king. I believe that one of the Scottish Kings fell at Flodden, in 1513. (eta: it was James IV)

However, I agree with your overall point. At the Battle of Shrewsbury, both the King and  his eldest son took to the field, both surviving, but rather too closely for comfort - the scar on the portrait of Henry V is a testament to that. 

Modifié par Colenda, 20 janvier 2010 - 08:09 .


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Lord Phoebus wrote...

He should have had an elite personal guard surrounding him,but taking the field and even fighting isn't unheard of for a king. Alexander the Great is probably the most famous example of this, but William the Conquerer and Harold the II both took the field at Hastings, Richard I fought in many battles and Richard the III took the field at Bosworth (and was the last British king to die in battle).


Calin did have an elite bodyguard around him,  the Grey Wardens he was fighting with. 

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GmanFresh

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also he no heirs seems like unnecessary danger... and im assuming he did this in the other battles before the PC got their. Maric was fighting men and he was cautious... they are fighting ogres for gods sake. and on the field it isnt always skill a random arrow or fling sword can kill.

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Actually he wasn't in the front lines until the darkspawn plowed there way in. I think King felt like he had to prove himself, the reason I believe this is that later on in playing I heard that Queen actually ruled the kingdom and not the King, through out the whole game I heard negative rumors about the Kings personality. The King would have to be a fool not to realise the way people thought of him. It's my opinion that Loghain may have been undermining any efforts that the King made to assert himself as a competent ruler from day one. People talk alot about Hardening or not hardening Alistair, but the one person that was in the position to do this (Loghain) for the King appears to have already had his own agenda, it's unclear if this is something that Loghain had in the works before or after learning of the Kings plans to allow the hated enemy back into his beloved Kingdom. Just my spin on how the King ended up where he was. Maric is quite the legend.

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It was normal in the Dark Ages for a king, or anyone else leading a battle to be upfront!


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He was a idiot. End of story. Even in Medieval Times, where kings did participate in battles and such, no king would ever risk his life on the front lines, neither would most generals unless things where very dire indeed.

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Glory is only one of the reasons. In mediveal times it would be seen as an act of cowardice for the King not be seen leading his troops, especially if the opposing ruler has tahen to the battlefield. The king was not just the ruling monarch, but as stated before the war leader.

The KIng presence on the battlefield inspires the troops.

During the Civil War most of the generals were seen on the battlefield leading and ordering the troops. During WWII, Patton and Rommel each had their own tanks to drive up to the battlefield. Sometimes Patton would take his jeep! It gave them a first hand view of the battle.