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[His Name was HYR!!]

eyezonlyii wrote...

If the Krogan have no ships, then how can they take over the galaxy?

Urdnot Wreav has centuries of life ahead of him.

Plus with the Rachni sitting pretty on Tuchanka, they'll have they're hands too full to even think about coming after the combined galactic fleet.

The same rachni they near-on eradicated from the face of the galaxy?

I cure them anyway with the mindset of: We destroyed the Reapers, what are you next to them?

You destroyed the Reapers with a superweapon that is probably fused right now and wouldn't work on anything but hostile AI anyway. In the process of building/deploying/using said weapon, every military was decimated in the war.

If anything, the galaxy's victory over the Reapers only means they've been left ill-equipped to fight a krogan uprise.

[Daemul]

Going slightly off topic, Biowares stats say that in 92% of playthroughs the genophage is cured and that 64% of playthroughs have Wreav in charge of the Krogan. Now, I think everyone here knows that Wreav is crazy and is a warmonger who will seek revenge, the game makes this very obvious. So why the hell did so many people cure the genophage with him being in charge of the Krogan in the large majority of playthroughs? I swear to god if its because curing the genophage was paragon I'm going to rage.

[DeinonSlayer]

Daemul wrote...

Going slightly off topic, Biowares stats say that in 92% of playthroughs the genophage is cured and that 64% of playthroughs have Wreav in charge of the Krogan. Now, I think everyone here knows that Wreav is crazy and is a warmonger who will seek revenge, the game makes this very obvious. So why the hell did so many people cure the genophage with him being in charge of the Krogan in the large majority of playthroughs? I swear to god if its because curing the genophage was paragon I'm going to rage.

It WAS paragon. Revealing the sabotage in the truck gets you 15 paragon points and prevents you from being able to sabotage it later on.

[rekn2]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

@StreetMagic
I hear you. Frankly, I find the idea of the Spectres appalling. I can appreciate that there are certain jobs that you need to cut through the red tape, but autonomous, omnipotent, unaccountable agents? A government with the sheer gall to claim such a privilege should be burned to the ground.

Yeah. I'm not a fan of the Citadel Council.

they are held accountable, look what happened to saren. yeah, he got farther along than your adverage citizen but he was still brought to "justice".

[wright1978]

Daemul wrote...

Going slightly off topic, Biowares stats say that in 92% of playthroughs the genophage is cured and that 64% of playthroughs have Wreav in charge of the Krogan. Now, I think everyone here knows that Wreav is crazy and is a warmonger who will seek revenge, the game makes this very obvious. So why the hell did so many people cure the genophage with him being in charge of the Krogan in the large majority of playthroughs? I swear to god if its because curing the genophage was paragon I'm going to rage.

Well there is a huge galactic extinction event going on so i'd always opt for curing the genophage for that reason.
Agree though that the presentation of the genophage in ME3 was heavily weighted to appeal to people's sympathy towards curing it..

[Rusty Sandusky]

 I'm just going to let Major Crackhead explain why I don't like the Council

Modifié par ThisOnesUsername, 16 décembre 2013 - 04:38 .

[DeinonSlayer]

rekn2 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

@StreetMagic
I hear you. Frankly, I find the idea of the Spectres appalling. I can appreciate that there are certain jobs that you need to cut through the red tape, but autonomous, omnipotent, unaccountable agents? A government with the sheer gall to claim such a privilege should be burned to the ground.

Yeah. I'm not a fan of the Citadel Council.

they are held accountable, look what happened to saren. yeah, he got farther along than your adverage citizen but he was still brought to "justice".

In theory. You can publicly murder several people on the Citadel in ME1 with no repercussions IIRC; personally exterminate up to three species prior to Priority: Thessia and nobody bats an eye.

What I'm saying in a nutshell is that "celebrity with a license to kill" may make for a fun game, but really isn't a sound practice. 

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 16 décembre 2013 - 04:40 .

[Barquiel]

Daemul wrote...

Going slightly off topic, Biowares stats say that in 92% of playthroughs the genophage is cured and that 64% of playthroughs have Wreav in charge of the Krogan. Now, I think everyone here knows that Wreav is crazy and is a warmonger who will seek revenge, the game makes this very obvious. So why the hell did so many people cure the genophage with him being in charge of the Krogan in the large majority of playthroughs? I swear to god if its because curing the genophage was paragon I'm going to rage.

I think most players like Eve...who makes us see the krogan in a more sympathetic light (even if you have Wreav), while the Dalatrass is written to be as annoying as possible.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Barquiel wrote...

I think most players like Eve...who makes us see the krogan in a more sympathetic light (even if you have Wreav), while the Dalatrass is written to be as annoying as possible.

That is a problem. Eve may be sympathetic to me, but she doesn't change my opinion of the Krogan as a whole, nor do I truly believe that she has the power she hopes she has.

As for the Dalatrass, I completely agree with all of her points, though indeed, she is a complete idiot. Her words are sound, her voice is not. Plus, she is completely unwilling to listen to reason.

Her single greatest problem is that she essentially underestimates the Reapers in lieu of the Krogan. She makes the issue of the Krogan too personal. Her attitude is the exact opposite of what we need in the war.

I despise how the game makes you either treat the genophage as a monstrous abomination or as a mean-spirited plague on the Krogan.

It doesn't let you take a neutral path. I'm not curing the genophage for the Krogan. I'm curing it for me. For the war.

[General TSAR]

If the Krogan decide to start another aggressive campaign of genocide and annexation, I support their containment and utter destruction.

I support their freedom, but if they decide to screw with other civilizations especially Human Civilization they will join the Rachni.

[Iakus]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

It doesn't let you take a neutral path. I'm not curing the genophage for the Krogan. I'm curing it for me. For the war.

Your mistake is in thinking this is your Shepard's story anymore

[Rusty Sandusky]

iakus wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

It doesn't let you take a neutral path. I'm not curing the genophage for the Krogan. I'm curing it for me. For the war.

Your mistake is in thinking this is your Shepard's story anymore

I hate this statement because it was never 'your Shepard's' story in the first place.

[General TSAR]

StreetMagic wrote...

-Mac Walters

Nuff said. 

[Rusty Sandusky]

General TSAR wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

-Mac Walters

Nuff said. 

If you believe anything that drooling hack says then it's your fault you got burned.

[Hazegurl]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Lots of support for freedom on BSN. So I'm curious: Is it ethical to condemn the krogan based on Wreav's behavior? He seems to represent everything that is wrong with their culture, but no matter how bad the krogan are, do they deserve to be "controlled"? Because they might subjugate others, they must be subjugated. All of them. Their entire species must be violated and humiliated.

I suppose I'm asking this: Is it hypocritical to so staunchly support the freedom of various people and societies, but then support sabotaging the genophage cure because Wreav is in charge?

We should note that Mordin, who feels guilty about the genophage, can be reminded of why it was once deemed necessary and be persuaded to maintain it.

Padok Wiks, on the other hand, believes that Nature should be free, and if the natural course of things allows the krogan to dominate the galaxy, then so be it. That is as it should be. However, I think he can also be persuaded to sabotage the cure if Wreav stands alone. I'm not familiar with this situation, so I don't know how he rationalizes it.

I support the Genophage even if Wrex is the leader and Eve is alive. The only times I've cured it is so Wrex would be at the Citadel Party. But from an RP standpoint. I stand behind the Genophage. I just don't like how Wrex and Eve seem to take no responsibility for why their people got the Genophage in the first place. Eve telling me that the Krogan wander and have no choice but to be killers cause the Genophage gives them no hope is total BS.  I'm not saying she totally dismisses what the Krogan has done to make them look bad but blaming the Genophage for it is wrong.

I don't support the subjugation of the Krogan, nor do I see them as lacking in freedom because of the disease. Their numbers are just simply being reduced.

[KaiserShep]

HYR 2.0 wrote...
If anything, the galaxy's victory over the Reapers only means they've been left ill-equipped to fight a krogan uprise.

I like to think that the relay in the Aralakh system would likely take a lot longer to repair than the ones in the Sol, Parnitha and Trebia systems, since the krogan don't really have any techy types roaming about there. Of course, we have everyone back home in the epilogue, though we don't know how long all of this took.

[Daemul]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I think most players like Eve...who makes us see the krogan in a more sympathetic light (even if you have Wreav), while the Dalatrass is written to be as annoying as possible.

That is a problem. Eve may be sympathetic to me, but she doesn't change my opinion of the Krogan as a whole, nor do I truly believe that she has the power she hopes she has.

As for the Dalatrass, I completely agree with all of her points, though indeed, she is a complete idiot. Her words are sound, her voice is not. Plus, she is completely unwilling to listen to reason.

Her single greatest problem is that she essentially underestimates the Reapers in lieu of the Krogan. She makes the issue of the Krogan too personal. Her attitude is the exact opposite of what we need in the war.

I despise how the game makes you either treat the genophage as a monstrous abomination or as a mean-spirited plague on the Krogan.

It doesn't let you take a neutral path. I'm not curing the genophage for the Krogan. I'm curing it for me. For the war.

I remember someone on BSN once saying the Dalatrass was a walking straw man, a perfect description. A while a go I remember reading a post claiming that the writer of the genophage arc had made it known that he was totally against the genophage, which would explain a lot about the writing in that particular part of ME3, it could be false though.