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The Returning Character from Dragon Age: Asunder


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We’ve already said publicly that someone from Asunder will appear in DAI, just not whom. ;) #tease


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It has been mentioned that a character from the most recent Dragon Age novel, Aunder, will have one of its chracters appear (to some capacity) in Dragon Age: Inquisition. I'm really excited by that, Asunder introduced some really fascinating characters new to the DA universe - an I'm wondering which of them will appear in the third game.  

*I'm only considering characters that debuted in Asunder - so characters like Leliana, Dorothea/Justina, Shale and Fiona don't really 'count' in my opinion (I would consider Leliana from Origins, Dorothea from Leliana's Song, Shale from The Stone Prisoner/Origins and Fiona as nrom The Calling.

Please note the following may give away details from Asunder, those who have yet to read  the novel (and you should! It's the best of the DA novels thus far, in my opinion).

Rhys
Newly appointed Representative of the Aequitarians, Rhys casts the decisive vote to split the Circle of Magi from Chantry, and by that extent, Templar control.  Rhys is possibly one of, if not the most, likey character to appear in Inquisition in some form given his important role in the ongoing Mage - Templar War.

The main protagonist of Asunder, Rhys, became the Representative of the Aequitarians and while at the Conclave held in Andoral's Reach, he cast the decisive vote for the Circle of Magi to seperate from the Chantry.   Rhys is a pretty fun character, in my mind, he's funny, he's a spirit medium and he understands the viewpoints of both those who want complete seperation, as well as those who want a less extreme measure in their bid for autonomy. Rhys was last seen at Andoral's Reach alongside Evangeline, preparing for battle - with the Templars and Seekers on their way.  It is worth noting that some time has passed between this battle and the time in which Cassandra interrogates Varric (as Leliana appears to have either left, fought at, or escape Andoral's Reach and the first major battle between the Mages and Templars.), Rhys current status is unknown, but it can be assumed that he likely act(ed) as one of the leaders in the battle at Andoral's Reach.

Rhys could be a companion, but for a few reasons (elaborated down in Adrian's section), I don't think he will.  I believe that he could appear leading a more moderate faction of mages - and sympathetic Templars such as Evangeline.  

Cole
Remaining an enigma for the majority of the novel, Cole's true nature is 'sort of' revealed, but much of his story seems incomplete - I really doubt that a character like Cole would be created and then not brought up or used in game.  Theories abound of Cole's true nature - is he really a demon or a spirit? Has he become some sort of Arcane Horror? What sort of Fade entity came to the human boy Cole to comfort him as he died?   (I'm banking on it being a Spirit of Hope that has been corrupted into a Despair Demon).

Out of all the Asunder characters, Cole is the only one that has been hinted to be in Inquisition 

A long time ago, a young man died a cruel death in a dark place. And now, somehow, there is Cole. Was he a spirit or a demon? Is he human now? Cole is not sure it matters any more. Hounded by memories that aren't his own, invisible in a world that he can stalk like a shadow, the rogue must decide between joining the living or preying upon them,


The above quote is from the supposed leaked survey that appeared over a year ago I believe - it has been stated time and again, that this survey is 'outdated' and much of what is in it will not be in game and that the "leak" is not a good source to go by.  Personally I think the survey has some truth/accuracy still, one released concept art (of the qunari standing in front of multiple red flags has been labled "Iron Bull" one of the characters mentioned in the survey.  This obviously doesn't mean Cole will be/still has a chance at being a companion, but I'd say he's the most likely of them to fill that role.

Adrian
Often compared to Anders in terms of her extreme disdain for Chantry rule and for the Templar Order (and her susequent actions that propelled the mages and Templars into war); Adrian has been the Representative of the Libertarian Fraternity, and following the battle in the White Spire and the flight to Andoral's Reach, she became the First Enchanter of the White Spire - a position which is now somewhat... defunct.

While I sincerely doubt that Adrian will appear in DAI as a companion (her role, that of a former Circle mage with strong beliefs about the Circle system and the future of mages, is likely already taken by Vivienne*) I believe it entirely possible that we could find her leading remnents of the Circle (possibly alongside the Grand Enchanter, Fiona), and I would personally love to see Adrian and Viviene interact - I have a feeling there might be a bit of bad blood between two such politically active, Senior Enchanters who were in line up to the First Enchanter's position (mind you, Vivienne was probably from Montsimmard), and with their extreme conflicting views on the Circle system and on the future of mages... well it'd be interesting to see.

*It's not to say that both couldn't be companions, but I personally can't see it happening.

Lambert van Reeves
Yes, I know how Asunder ended, but hear me out.  It is heavily implied at the end of the novel that Cole assassinates Lambert in his quarters in the White Spire - uttering the same phrase to him as he had to all his previous victims - but unlike all the other people Cole killed, Lambert's body wasn't left behind.  According to The World of Thedas, the Lord Seeker he is 'missing and presued dead,'

Why would Cole hide the body? What would he have to gain from that? I would think he'd rather leave the body as an example if he did kill him.

If he did kill him.

Cole may have, by this point in Asunder, come into his powers (even enough to intimidate Lambert), but the Lord Seeker was an extremely powerful warrior, and one who possessed the skills of a Templar, even disarmed and unarmored, it is possible he fought back - to what end, I don't know.

All I know is I don't think we've seen the end of Lord Seeker Lambert yet.

Knight-Captain Evangeline de Brassard
Evangeline served the White Spire as its Knight-Captain; in drastic comparison to many Templars and Seekers such as Meredith, Karras, Otto and Lord Seeker Lamber, Evangeline holds a very moderate opinon concerning mages - while she does believe that the Circle serves a purpose, she does not hate mages and can sympathize with them.  Evangeline's conficts with the Order lead her to desert the Templars, siding against Lambert to join Rhys. Evangeline was last seen at Andoral's Reach with Rhys, preparing for the oncoming battle.

Evangeline's possible appearence in Inquisition may be a bit harder to do - if only because, depending on whether or not Wynne was killed by the Warden, Evangeline could be dead or be the new host to the Spirit of Faith. (Wynne's situation [that she appears in Asunder] is likely different than Leliana - it is more likely that Asunder follows Bioware's deafault canon - Dalish Warden, Mage Sympathizing Hawke...]).  

If Evangeline did survive the events of Asunder, then I believe, much like Rhys, her's would be a support role as she works with the mages - and potentially other Templars who want to protect the mage's from Lambert's factions.  

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Nothing in the surveys has been disproved but most of it has been confirmed. I'm going to assume Cole is the character making it into the game until we have confirmation that it's someone else.

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I will eat my DAI disk if the Asunder character isn't Cole.

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I would love to see the Lord Seeker in the flesh :P

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...I wonder if Cole could have possessed Lambert somehow, if he survived...

Don't quite see how else he could have gotten out of that.

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SergeantSnookie wrote...

...I wonder if Cole could have possessed Lambert somehow, if he survived...

Don't quite see how else he could have gotten out of that.


Do you not recall how he basically dispelled cole earlier in the book with a mere utterance?

That demon cannot stand against the Litany obviously and Lambert had the thing memorized.

He doesn't even need his sword or armor he can cast the whelp back into the fade and by the time he is capable of returning i doubt he would find Lambert in that position again.

But that said if Lambert defeated Cole then where has he been for those months? I do believe that is the fifty Sovereign question.

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Does Lambert go to sleep with the Litany under his pillow? I thought you actually needed the thing. 

...actually, yeah, he probably does.

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 17 décembre 2013 - 02:46 .


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SergeantSnookie wrote...

...I wonder if Cole could have possessed Lambert somehow, if he survived...


What would be the point? The only advantage Cole would gain from possessing Lambert would be doing damage to the Seekers/Templars from the inside. Possessing him and then disappearing would accomplish nothing.

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SergeantSnookie wrote...

Does Lambert go to sleep with the Litany under his pillow? I thought you actually needed the thing. 

...actually, yeah, he probably does.


I think the actual volume it self is an optional, its merely a written treatise after all.

Its the words that it is made up of that give it power.

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It could be just about anyone, and there could be more than one of them but they don't want to give any details other than one character is going to be in DAI.

Whether or not the character they are talking about is Cole is unknown, if he is in the game who knows what his role is and might not be a companion.

The stuff in the survey wasn't confirmed, some characters in it either ceased to exist or have changed a lot.

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If Lambert lives I doubt it's him since Cassandra is a confirmed party member and two seekers seem redundant.

My money is on Cole since he is a fade spirit/demon and we will be fighting a lot of them.

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I found Cole to be kind of annoying.

Is it bad that I cheered when *SPOILER* Lambert beat him to a pulp?

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BasilKarlo wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

...I wonder if Cole could have possessed Lambert somehow, if he survived...


What would be the point? The only advantage Cole would gain from possessing Lambert would be doing damage to the Seekers/Templars from the inside. Possessing him and then disappearing would accomplish nothing.


Hey, could be fun to prance around as the Lord Seeker for a day. 

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sandalisthemaker wrote...

I found Cole to be kind of annoying.

Is it bad that I cheered when *SPOILER* Lambert beat him to a pulp?


Bad, Sandal. Bad.

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eluvianix wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

I found Cole to be kind of annoying.

Is it bad that I cheered when *SPOILER* Lambert beat him to a pulp?


Bad, Sandal. Bad.


LOL He was annoying. Plus he's a *SPOILER* demon, so it's okay. 

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sandalisthemaker wrote...

I found Cole to be kind of annoying.

Is it bad that I cheered when *SPOILER* Lambert beat him to a pulp?


I don't thank so considering i did the same :P

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DRTJR wrote...

If Lambert lives I doubt it's him since Cassandra is a confirmed party member and two seekers seem redundant.

My money is on Cole since he is a fade spirit/demon and we will be fighting a lot of them.


As i was aware it was stated they would return in some capacity, not be an off the back party member although i could easily see Lambert slipping into the role of a temp companion if the situation suited it.


That said i have a feeling Lambert will return in the game, in my eye its likely he will be heading the Seeker Order's Presence in the game once Cassandra departs to follow the Inquistion.

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I'm going to guess if we get a companion from Asunder it's going to be Cole. I think if Rhys or Evangeline appears it would be with the other one. Cass is a seeker and Lambert would be redundant. The other characters were Adrian, Leliana, Wynne, Shale and Justinia. Adrian is a murderer, Leliana's in it already, Wynne's dead, Shale we met in DAO (but I wouldn't mind seeing her again anyway) and Justinia is going to be a very busy lady.

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I think there are two people using the name of Cole in Asunder which isn't revealed until the very end of the book. There is another person in the cell who actually witnessed the death of the real Cole and this person decides to avenge Cole and his death at the hands of the Templars. The other person in the cell takes on Cole's persona and goes after the Lord Seeker in his quarters at the White Spire at the very end of the book. I'm also wondering if the Cole from the fade isn't actually helping the Cole who took on his persona. They used Rhys for their own ends with the Cole in the fade gaining information from Rhys then the actual human person in the cells is the one actually doing the killings which can be viewed as mercy killings. I think the Cole from the fade is the one Lambert uses the Litany of Adralla on and the one on his chest is the real person from the cell. I also think there is a bit of confusion because I think the fade cole is giving the persona Cole his memories of what happened to him. This is confusing the persona person as Cole and seems to be trapped in Cole's nightmares someway. I don't think either of them are actual demons or any type of benevolent spirit. I think these two people are actual

persons who the Chantry imprisoned for one reason or another.

My first guess is it will be the person who actually witnessed the real Cole's death and took on his persona as the Asunder character.

I don't see how Wynne can be in it at all, she might, it could get complicated with Wynne and Evangeline.

I do see Shale as a possibility. Will she actually be Shale the golem or Shale the Dwarf?

I also see Rhys as being a possibility, but once again he is also another mage, that is three possible mages right there.

We might have a better clue once the new book comes out in April.

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^ Yeah, but what about the Litany?

Cole was likely possessed while he was dying in the cell. The demon has access to human Cole's memories and the line between demon and human blurred to where Cole doesn't realize he is a demon until Lambert tells him.

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Master Warder Z wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

...I wonder if Cole could have possessed Lambert somehow, if he survived...

Don't quite see how else he could have gotten out of that.


Do you not recall how he basically dispelled cole earlier in the book with a mere utterance?

That demon cannot stand against the Litany obviously and Lambert had the thing memorized.

He doesn't even need his sword or armor he can cast the whelp back into the fade and by the time he is capable of returning i doubt he would find Lambert in that position again.

But that said if Lambert defeated Cole then where has he been for those months? I do believe that is the fifty Sovereign question.


I had this theory that he could have been made invisible as well - or perhaps somehow pulled into the Fade. I don't even know where that idea came from, but yeah...

Well that also raises the question that if Cole defeated Lambert, where has he been? Chilling downstairs in the White Spire again? Hah, maybe we'll investigate the White Spire and meet him there or something.

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Don't want cole.

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I really hope it isn't't Adrian that was one character who I really wanted to reach through and choke her to death. I couldn't stand that b°°°°. But I digress… I do believe it may be Cole. Which will be interesting dialogue wise.

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I really want Shale the Dwarf as our companion. Her dry wit was hilarious in DAO

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sandalisthemaker wrote...

^ Yeah, but what about the Litany?

Cole was likely possessed while he was dying in the cell. The demon has access to human Cole's memories and the line between demon and human blurred to where Cole doesn't realize he is a demon until Lambert tells him.


Because of the second person in the cell with the real Cole when he died.  This person held Cole's hand while he died and if I'm not mistaken also changed up in the cell, I'll go back and read it again to double check.