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[Master Warder Z_]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

My idea favors making the mages unable to resist with an overly vigilant, militant circle.

But that is a short term solution, eventually compromise will need to be made, but first you need to do a stop gate solution to make sure the war doesn't just instantly resume.

But how many compromises will be made before the Mages start demanding the same things that started the war in the first place?

I would assume it would be after the bones from the first rebellions leaders were gone, turned to ash.

Either from Pyre or well time, eitherway.

It would be feasible to provoke a rebellion of that scale within a short time period, the mages may be powerful but they are not war leaders, the circle as to my knowledge does not provide instruction in how to operate armies, lead men and battle field tactics.

[SgtSteel91]

MisterJB wrote...

There is truth in saying that if mages are pushed too far, they'll become exactly what Thedas fears. But the opposite is also true; if restrictions are not placed upon mages, they'll abuse their magic.
A middle-ground is needed but Evangeline is not providing that middle-ground; she just jumped headfirst into one of the extrems and decided, by herself, that mages require no restrictions whatsoever.

I agree with this. If mages were properlly taught in a healthy enviornment (not told that their exisitence is a sin/curse) then I think that the worst case won't happen if they are allowed out of the Circles. But there needs to be laws/restriction/other mages or templars who with strong moral centers who would fight against the ambitious/dangerous mages who would abuse their powers. 

[Master Warder Z_]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

There is truth in saying that if mages are pushed too far, they'll become exactly what Thedas fears. But the opposite is also true; if restrictions are not placed upon mages, they'll abuse their magic.
A middle-ground is needed but Evangeline is not providing that middle-ground; she just jumped headfirst into one of the extrems and decided, by herself, that mages require no restrictions whatsoever.

I agree with this. If mages were properlly taught in a healthy enviornment (not told that their exisitence is a sin/curse) then I think that the worst case won't happen if they are allowed out of the Circles. But there needs to be laws/restriction/other mages or templars who with strong moral centers who would fight against the ambitious/dangerous mages who would abuse their powers. 

If only there was an "off" switch attached to the flow of mana coming into the world  

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

There is truth in saying that if mages are pushed too far, they'll become exactly what Thedas fears. But the opposite is also true; if restrictions are not placed upon mages, they'll abuse their magic.
A middle-ground is needed but Evangeline is not providing that middle-ground; she just jumped headfirst into one of the extrems and decided, by herself, that mages require no restrictions whatsoever.

So who in the world do you find as a "middle ground" then?

Gregoir. He seemed to abide by the laws of the Circle, had his priorities straight and understood how essential his role was but he also followed a "innocent until proven otherwise" policy.
I don't agree with all of his decisions; for instance, I wouldn't have allowed so many mages to travel around Ferelden without Templars escorts; but he seems to be the ideal Knight-Commander.

[SgtSteel91]

Master Warder Z wrote...

If only there was an "off" switch attached to the flow of mana coming into the world  

It's called Tranquility but I don't know what would happen if someone were to cut off the mortal world form the fade. Maybe we'd more like dwarves and never have dreams when we sleep. Maybe we'd all be tranquil.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 18 décembre 2013 - 02:10 .

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...
Gregoir. He seemed to abide by the laws of the Circle, had his priorities straight and understood how essential his role was but he also followed a "innocent until proven otherwise" policy.
I don't agree with all of his decisions; for instance, I wouldn't have allowed so many mages to travel around Ferelden without Templars escorts; but he seems to be the ideal Knight-Commander.

To be honest, if Greagoir fixes things, I won't raise a fuss. As long as both parties get an equal right to speak and be heard during this reconstruction, then I will be happy.

Modifié par eluvianix, 18 décembre 2013 - 02:11 .

[ChaosMorning]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

There is truth in saying that if mages are pushed too far, they'll become exactly what Thedas fears. But the opposite is also true; if restrictions are not placed upon mages, they'll abuse their magic.
A middle-ground is needed but Evangeline is not providing that middle-ground; she just jumped headfirst into one of the extrems and decided, by herself, that mages require no restrictions whatsoever.

I agree with this. If mages were properlly taught in a healthy enviornment (not told that their exisitence is a sin/curse) then I think that the worst case won't happen if they are allowed out of the Circles. But there needs to be laws/restriction/other mages or templars who with strong moral centers who would fight against the ambitious/dangerous mages who would abuse their powers. 

And Templars that would abuse their authority.

[SgtSteel91]

ChaosMorning wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

I agree with this. If mages were properlly taught in a healthy enviornment (not told that their exisitence is a sin/curse) then I think that the worst case won't happen if they are allowed out of the Circles. But there needs to be laws/restriction/other mages or templars who with strong moral centers who would fight against the ambitious/dangerous mages who would abuse their powers. 

And Templars that would abuse their authority.

I thought that was the role of the Seekers, is it not?

[Hellion Rex]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

ChaosMorning wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

I agree with this. If mages were properlly taught in a healthy enviornment (not told that their exisitence is a sin/curse) then I think that the worst case won't happen if they are allowed out of the Circles. But there needs to be laws/restriction/other mages or templars who with strong moral centers who would fight against the ambitious/dangerous mages who would abuse their powers. 

And Templars that would abuse their authority.

I thought that was the role of the Seekers, is it not?

And the Seekers did a great job of dealing with Meredith, as well Dairsmuid.

[ChaosMorning]

And that whole White Spire incident seemed to escalate too.

Hm. Well done, Seekers, well done.

[Hellion Rex]

ChaosMorning wrote...

And that whole White Spire incident seemed to escalate too.

Hm. Well done, Seekers, well done.

Oh, that's right. And that was the Head of the Seeker Order too, was it not?

[ChaosMorning]

Shame that High Seeker Aldren got offed - he seemed to get things.

Who killed him again? Oh, that's right, a Templar.

[Master Warder Z_]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

ChaosMorning wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

I agree with this. If mages were properlly taught in a healthy enviornment (not told that their exisitence is a sin/curse) then I think that the worst case won't happen if they are allowed out of the Circles. But there needs to be laws/restriction/other mages or templars who with strong moral centers who would fight against the ambitious/dangerous mages who would abuse their powers. 

And Templars that would abuse their authority.

I thought that was the role of the Seekers, is it not?

Cassandra doesn't abuse her authority!...Much!...Okay basically the entire movie "dawn of the seeker" was her premptively abusing it but still!

[ChaosMorning]

Cassandra's views on how to treat mages seems to be in constant flux - she's very anti-mage at the start of Dawn of the Seeker, by the end of her interview with Varric she seems to sympathize with the mages a bit more (at least if Hawke was a mage? I hardly play as a warrior or rogue in DAII so I don't remember)

[Hellion Rex]

ChaosMorning wrote...

Cassandra's views on how to treat mages seems to be in constant flux - she's very anti-mage at the start of Dawn of the Seeker, by the end of her interview with Varric she seems to sympathize with the mages a bit more (at least if Hawke was a mage? I hardly play as a warrior or rogue in DAII so I don't remember)

Very true. I am curious as to how she deals with a mage Inquisitor.

[ChaosMorning]

Especially if you're a qunari mage.

Oh this'll be good.

[Medhia Nox]

@eluvianix: If she trades in her anti-mage sentiment for anti-rebellion I won't have to tip her head first off the parapets of my fortress.

[Hellion Rex]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: If she trades in her anti-mage sentiment for anti-rebellion I won't have to tip her head first off the parapets of my fortress.

She seems very pro-Chantry and pro-Justinia. So to be honest, I think she will be more "anti-rebellion of the Templars and Seekers under Lambert", which is totally cool with me.

[Master Warder Z_]

eluvianix wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: If she trades in her anti-mage sentiment for anti-rebellion I won't have to tip her head first off the parapets of my fortress.

She seems very pro-Chantry and pro-Justinia. So to be honest, I think she will be more "anti-rebellion of the Templars and Seekers under Lambert", which is totally cool with me.

Who knows how she reacts to Lambert's call.

She could have been one of the two Seekers by his side when he strolled into the Grand Assembly hall of the white spire for all we know.

[Hellion Rex]

Master Warder Z wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: If she trades in her anti-mage sentiment for anti-rebellion I won't have to tip her head first off the parapets of my fortress.

She seems very pro-Chantry and pro-Justinia. So to be honest, I think she will be more "anti-rebellion of the Templars and Seekers under Lambert", which is totally cool with me.

Who knows how she reacts to Lambert's call.

She could have been one of the two Seekers by his side when he strolled into the Grand Assembly hall of the white spire for all we know.

Except, Varric makes it clear in the end of DA2 that she isn't a part of the group that "left to hunt the mages". And plus, Leliana was working with her, and Leliana is most assuredly not working with Lambert.

[Hellion Rex]

MasterScribe wrote...

Cassandra didn't seem particularly hostile towards Vivienne in the PAX demo.

I thought she was downright curteous to her. Plus, I loved the banter between the two once they entered the keep, during the demo.

[Medhia Nox]

@eluvianix: Hmm.. so she'll be the opposite of my Magequisitor then? Perfect.

I'll delegate some forces to her to crush the Templars - I'll eat mage tears - and then we'll meet up to give righteous smackdown to the Demon Horde pouring through the Tears.

And - stop your dream of hell on earth ruled by dragonkind.

[Hellion Rex]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: Hmm.. so she'll be the opposite of my Magequisitor then? Perfect.

I'll delegate some forces to her to crush the Templars - I'll eat mage tears - and then we'll meet up to give righteous smackdown to the Demon Horde pouring through the Tears.

And - stop your dream of hell on earth ruled by dragonkind.

Please. Like you could stop the beautiful rapture that is to come. Soon the Veil will disappear, and we shall worship at the feet of our magnificent dragonic masters!!

JOIN US!

Modifié par eluvianix, 18 décembre 2013 - 02:50 .

[ChaosMorning]

Manaveris Dracona~