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[Hellion Rex]

ChaosMorning wrote...

Manaveris Dracona~

Avanna, socius magi.

[AmRMa]

Hopefully it is Cole because I am interested to see how the veil tear will effect him and how you could influence him- if that option is in the game.

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Maybe you could convince him not to do blood magic and I'm curious how that would affect his status in the world- would he turn more ethereal as a good spirit?

[ChaosMorning]

AmRMa wrote...

Hopefully it is Cole because I am interested to see how the veil tear will effect him and how you could influence him- if that option is in the game.

Spoiler***************


Maybe you could convince him not to do blood magic and I'm curious how that would affect his status in the world- would he turn more ethereal as a good spirit?

Interesting... Hm. I wonder, if we're to speculate on his "leaked survey profile" (which we should remember is not accurate/outdated now), then he is contemplating his 'humanity' and, going by the 'preying on the living or joining them' his status as a Demon/Spirit could be an interesting thing to run with.

Personally, I think it'd be so cool to see him as a sort of microcosm for the more "human side" to Demons and Spirits (similar to how Vivienne is supposed to reflect the issue of the Circle being a good option and whatnot).  Dragon Age II and Asunder (and World of Thedas, I suppose) have brought up a lot of questions for fade entities, what with Merrill's theories on spirits and demons being the same thing, Rhys stating that 'we know nothing of Spirits or Demons' (paraphrasing).  Seeing Cole as a reflection of these theories and whatnot, comparing mortals to the beings beyond the veil, what it was like for them to watch Thedas with envy  (so would Cole end up wanting to 'be more human' or embrace his demonic, blood magic using nature - why the Spirit came to Cole as he was dying, why he can hear The Calling and the songs of Lyrium...

Lots to run with.  

[leaguer of one]

AmRMa wrote...

Hopefully it is Cole because I am interested to see how the veil tear will effect him and how you could influence him- if that option is in the game.

Spoiler***************


Maybe you could convince him not to do blood magic and I'm curious how that would affect his status in the world- would he turn more ethereal as a good spirit?

He would go back into the fade.

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...






Whom is to say that the Lord Seeker isn't premitted to disolve the accord with the chantry if it is his desire? it could very well be like in the original texan consitution redrift when it joined the united states and ceased being its own Nation.

It had a clause that allowed it to exit the union, you are under the assumption the Seekers and Templar orders do not have something similar.

And your second point is...really difficult to make out, i think you are stating something about how the divine has ultimate authority within the chantry which is indeed the truth but that doesn't really effect much once you leave it no?

And to your final point?

She goaded the bull and got gored, its her own stupidity.

1. Sure he has the freedom the leave the chantry.. That does not mean he is suddenly going to have all the power and authority with it. The reason the Divine had all that power is because the nations of thedus allowed her to have it. Now who is going to back Lambert now in his power play? What nation is on his side on this? Fereldin is mage friendly, Orlais is in a civil war, Nivarra has a strong mage influence and Avintavia is a politicaly shifty as Orlais. Is thedus going to be ok with a rogue templar group doing things as they see fit with no regulation?

Added, you can argue the mages is in the same spot...But their is a big differnce eith the mages and the templars. 
1. The mages has abilities, skills and craftman ship the nobility of thedus want. And they can get them with out the need of the chantry now.
2. The chantry is open to welcome the mages back because of these said abilities, skills and craftman ship.

Any country that can get these free mages to side with them is going to get a huge draw of power on a militay scale.

Who is going to not want a group of people who can buff items, armor, heal and  be living connons?

Lanbert may try to take the authority of heading the chantry but it not really his say to have not does it mean he'll hold it. He's done for if the nation of thedus say otherwise.

And for the last time. The mage templar war is not the divines fault. It was intagated because Lambert disobeyed her. None of it would happen is he listen to her.

[AmRMa]

leaguer of one wrote...

AmRMa wrote...

Hopefully it is Cole because I am interested to see how the veil tear will effect him and how you could influence him- if that option is in the game.

Spoiler***************


Maybe you could convince him not to do blood magic and I'm curious how that would affect his status in the world- would he turn more ethereal as a good spirit?

He would go back into the fade.

Yeah but that is where the veil tear comes in- there are demons and maybe spirits coming into Thedas from the Fade. That is what I am curious about if they do add him as a character  because out of all possible companions the Fade has the most direct impact on him.

[Master Warder Z_]

eluvianix wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: If she trades in her anti-mage sentiment for anti-rebellion I won't have to tip her head first off the parapets of my fortress.

She seems very pro-Chantry and pro-Justinia. So to be honest, I think she will be more "anti-rebellion of the Templars and Seekers under Lambert", which is totally cool with me.

Who knows how she reacts to Lambert's call.

She could have been one of the two Seekers by his side when he strolled into the Grand Assembly hall of the white spire for all we know.

Except, Varric makes it clear in the end of DA2 that she isn't a part of the group that "left to hunt the mages". And plus, Leliana was working with her, and Leliana is most assuredly not working with Lambert.

Considering we don't know when the meeting with Varric took place within Kirkwall it could have even occured after the events of Asunder which seems likely considering they were speaking of the Templars leaving the chantry as well.

So its mere speculation, Besides assoiation with Leliana proves little beyond that they were both there for differing reasons, Cassandra  ultimately is a seeker, and considering Lambert is the head of said order if he requested assistance there is little revealed so far that would make me think Casandra would disobey.

But again for all we know she is no longer a Seeker, Considering that the seekers themselves are divided with the Templars, But before the division who knows where she was, i think it would be neat if she was there for the first skirmish of the rebellion.

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...






Whom is to say that the Lord Seeker isn't premitted to disolve the accord with the chantry if it is his desire? it could very well be like in the original texan consitution redrift when it joined the united states and ceased being its own Nation.

It had a clause that allowed it to exit the union, you are under the assumption the Seekers and Templar orders do not have something similar.

And your second point is...really difficult to make out, i think you are stating something about how the divine has ultimate authority within the chantry which is indeed the truth but that doesn't really effect much once you leave it no?

And to your final point?

She goaded the bull and got gored, its her own stupidity.

1. Sure he has the freedom the leave the chantry.. That does not mean he is suddenly going to have all the power and authority with it. The reason the Divine had all that power is because the nations of thedus allowed her to have it. Now who is going to back Lambert now in his power play? What nation is on his side on this? Fereldin is mage friendly, Orlais is in a civil war, Nivarra has a strong mage influence and Avintavia is a politicaly shifty as Orlais. Is thedus going to be ok with a rogue templar group doing things as they see fit with no regulation?

Added, you can argue the mages is in the same spot...But their is a big differnce eith the mages and the templars. 
1. The mages has abilities, skills and craftman ship the nobility of thedus want. And they can get them with out the need of the chantry now.
2. The chantry is open to welcome the mages back because of these said abilities, skills and craftman ship.

Any country that can get these free mages to side with them is going to get a huge draw of power on a militay scale.

Who is going to not want a group of people who can buff items, armor, heal and  be living connons?

Lanbert may try to take the authority of heading the chantry but it not really his say to have not does it mean he'll hold it. He's done for if the nation of thedus say otherwise.

And for the last time. The mage templar war is not the divines fault. It was intagated because Lambert disobeyed her. None of it would happen is he listen to her.

The Templar order is backed heavily by the nobility within several Nations, Presumbly the Seekers can use that make their efforts legitimate in the eyes of the various states, after all for century after century the templars were the guardians of the common man against magic.

Somehow i doubt that has changed despite war between the templars and mages erupting, in fact its the very cause of the war so i really don't see how it would negatively impact lambert or his cause.

And as for the mages, thats assuming you would trust harboring mages within your backyard during a fade invasion, illegal mages were a blight before the veil was torn, who knows how bad they will be now. Besides considering anti magic sentiment amongst the majority of Thedas i can see very few takers of that offer regardless.

As for chantry craftsmen whom is to say that both the templars and chantry still do not have tranquil on retainer? those are the craftsmen of the circle after all, not the mages.

Furthermore where do you garner that Fereldan is "mage freindly"? Do you mean the boon Alistair can possibly grant to a mage Warden? If so that really is only applicable in one situation which may or may not occur depending upon playthroughs.

[leaguer of one]

[quote]Master Warder Z wrote...
1. Sure he has the freedom the leave the chantry.. That does not mean he is suddenly going to have all the power and authority with it. The reason the Divine had all that power is because the nations of thedus allowed her to have it. Now who is going to back Lambert now in his power play? What nation is on his side on this? Fereldin is mage friendly, Orlais is in a civil war, Nivarra has a strong mage influence and Avintavia is a politicaly shifty as Orlais. Is thedus going to be ok with a rogue templar group doing things as they see fit with no regulation?

Added, you can argue the mages is in the same spot...But their is a big differnce eith the mages and the templars. 
1. The mages has abilities, skills and craftman ship the nobility of thedus want. And they can get them with out the need of the chantry now.
2. The chantry is open to welcome the mages back because of these said abilities, skills and craftman ship.

Any country that can get these free mages to side with them is going to get a huge draw of power on a militay scale.

Who is going to not want a group of people who can buff items, armor, heal and  be living connons?

Lanbert may try to take the authority of heading the chantry but it not really his say to have not does it mean he'll hold it. He's done for if the nation of thedus say otherwise.

And for the last time. The mage templar war is not the divines fault. It was intagated because Lambert disobeyed her. None of it would happen is he listen to her.

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The Templar order is backed heavily by the nobility within several Nations, Presumbly the Seekers can use that make their efforts legitimate in the eyes of the various states, after all for century after century the templars were the guardians of the common man against magic.

Somehow i doubt that has changed despite war between the templars and mages erupting, in fact its the very cause of the war so i really don't see how it would negatively impact lambert or his cause.

And as for the mages, thats assuming you would trust harboring mages within your backyard during a fade invasion, illegal mages were a blight before the veil was torn, who knows how bad they will be now. Besides considering anti magic sentiment amongst the majority of Thedas i can see very few takers of that offer regardless.

As for chantry craftsmen whom is to say that both the templars and chantry still do not have tranquil on retainer? those are the craftsmen of the circle after all, not the mages.

Furthermore where do you garner that Fereldan is "mage freindly"? Do you mean the boon Alistair can possibly grant to a mage Warden? If so that really is only applicable in one situation which may or may not occur depending upon playthroughs.



[/quote]Wrong. The tempar order is backed heavily by the chantry and chantry alone. Some of the nobility support it but they support the chantry even more. The chantry will simply call these templars out laws and these nobles with treat them as such.

The seeker is not one know with the nobles.


"And as for the mages, thats assuming you would trust harboring mages within your backyard during a fade invasion, illegal mages were a blight before the veil was torn, who knows how bad they will be now. Besides considering anti magic sentiment amongst the majority of Thedas i can see very few takers of that offer regardless."

They would need the mades even more being that they are the ones who understand the fade the most. How would the common man stand ageinst demon and the veil opening with out understanding it, turning ageints the mages who understand what going on the most?
That's like exiling all the fire fighters when a fire is happening.

"As for chantry craftsmen whom is to say that both the templars and chantry still do not have tranquil on retainer? those are the craftsmen of the circle after all, not the mages."

Why would the tranquil say with the templars? Added with the new info the can be possesed and the veil open, you think the templars would keep them?
And you're stuill not getting that at this point the chantry is will to welcome the mages back with open arms.


"Furthermore where do you garner that Fereldan is "mage freindly"? Do you mean the boon Alistair can possibly grant to a mage Warden? If so that really is only applicable in one situation which may or may not occur depending upon playthroughs."

So Queen Anora is not mage friendly?

[Master Warder Z_]

[quote]leaguer of one wrote...

[quote]Master Warder Z wrote...
1. Sure he has the freedom the leave the chantry.. That does not mean he is suddenly going to have all the power and authority with it. The reason the Divine had all that power is because the nations of thedus allowed her to have it. Now who is going to back Lambert now in his power play? What nation is on his side on this? Fereldin is mage friendly, Orlais is in a civil war, Nivarra has a strong mage influence and Avintavia is a politicaly shifty as Orlais. Is thedus going to be ok with a rogue templar group doing things as they see fit with no regulation?

Added, you can argue the mages is in the same spot...But their is a big differnce eith the mages and the templars. 
1. The mages has abilities, skills and craftman ship the nobility of thedus want. And they can get them with out the need of the chantry now.
2. The chantry is open to welcome the mages back because of these said abilities, skills and craftman ship.

Any country that can get these free mages to side with them is going to get a huge draw of power on a militay scale.

Who is going to not want a group of people who can buff items, armor, heal and  be living connons?

Lanbert may try to take the authority of heading the chantry but it not really his say to have not does it mean he'll hold it. He's done for if the nation of thedus say otherwise.

And for the last time. The mage templar war is not the divines fault. It was intagated because Lambert disobeyed her. None of it would happen is he listen to her.

[/quote]

The Templar order is backed heavily by the nobility within several Nations, Presumbly the Seekers can use that make their efforts legitimate in the eyes of the various states, after all for century after century the templars were the guardians of the common man against magic.

Somehow i doubt that has changed despite war between the templars and mages erupting, in fact its the very cause of the war so i really don't see how it would negatively impact lambert or his cause.

And as for the mages, thats assuming you would trust harboring mages within your backyard during a fade invasion, illegal mages were a blight before the veil was torn, who knows how bad they will be now. Besides considering anti magic sentiment amongst the majority of Thedas i can see very few takers of that offer regardless.

As for chantry craftsmen whom is to say that both the templars and chantry still do not have tranquil on retainer? those are the craftsmen of the circle after all, not the mages.

Furthermore where do you garner that Fereldan is "mage freindly"? Do you mean the boon Alistair can possibly grant to a mage Warden? If so that really is only applicable in one situation which may or may not occur depending upon playthroughs.



[/quote]Wrong. The tempar order is backed heavily by the chantry and chantry alone. Some of the nobility support it but they support the chantry even more. The chantry will simply call these templars out laws and these nobles with treat them as such.

The seeker is not one know with the nobles.


"And as for the mages, thats assuming you would trust harboring mages within your backyard during a fade invasion, illegal mages were a blight before the veil was torn, who knows how bad they will be now. Besides considering anti magic sentiment amongst the majority of Thedas i can see very few takers of that offer regardless."

They would need the mades even more being that they are the ones who understand the fade the most. How would the common man stand ageinst demon and the veil opening with out understanding it, turning ageints the mages who understand what going on the most?
That's like exiling all the fire fighters when a fire is happening.

"As for chantry craftsmen whom is to say that both the templars and chantry still do not have tranquil on retainer? those are the craftsmen of the circle after all, not the mages."

Why would the tranquil say with the templars? Added with the new info the can be possesed and the veil open, you think the templars would keep them?
And you're stuill not getting that at this point the chantry is will to welcome the mages back with open arms.


"Furthermore where do you garner that Fereldan is "mage freindly"? Do you mean the boon Alistair can possibly grant to a mage Warden? If so that really is only applicable in one situation which may or may not occur depending upon playthroughs."

So Queen Anora is not mage friendly?
[/quote]

My Maker reading this is painful.

So you ignore the three Templars presented in game that are of Noble birth, and who's families donate heavily to the Order. Whom are you say this isn't common place? for nobility to go into the order, Its a life of sacrafice and service but in some cases it can be preferable to politics.

So considering you have Templars in the Freemarches and Fereldan that are of noble birth i can see them having quite a bit of sway in those regions as far as making templar rule legitmate.

And Perhaps if those mages were loyal to more then themselves they might make a convincing case but when they are burning the world down in a self deluded struggle for freedom i doubt the monarchs of Thedas will be overly inviting.

Also considering the Templars have quite a treasure trove of knowledge when it comes to combating demons they would also be viable options for combating the foes that escape the fade, a pet mage may be needed to close a tear but i have a feeling that will not be the only method of closing it.

Finally,The ritual that resulted in the one tranquil becoming untranquil to my knowledge rests with a sole indivual now and given that use the chantry and templars get from the tranquil it would be foolish to cast them aside for a risk they may present.

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...


My Maker reading this is painful.

So you ignore the three Templars presented in game that are of Noble birth, and who's families donate heavily to the Order. Whom are you say this isn't common place? for nobility to go into the order, Its a life of sacrafice and service but in some cases it can be preferable to politics.

So considering you have Templars in the Freemarches and Fereldan that are of noble birth i can see them having quite a bit of sway in those regions as far as making templar rule legitmate.

And Perhaps if those mages were loyal to more then themselves they might make a convincing case but when they are burning the world down in a self deluded struggle for freedom i doubt the monarchs of Thedas will be overly inviting.

Also considering the Templars have quite a treasure trove of knowledge when it comes to combating demons they would also be viable options for combating the foes that escape the fade, a pet mage may be needed to close a tear but i have a feeling that will not be the only method of closing it.

Finally,The ritual that resulted in the one tranquil becoming untranquil to my knowledge rests with a sole indivual now and given that use the chantry and templars get from the tranquil it would be foolish to cast them aside for a risk they may present.

"So you ignore the three Templars presented in game that are of Noble birth, and who's families donate heavily to the Order. Whom are you say this isn't common place? for nobility to go into the order, Its a life of sacrafice and service but in some cases it can be preferable to politics."

But it's not. Some do. It's far from the majority. The noblity still support the chantry more. This is a fact. All the chantry has to so is call the rogue templars out laws and their goes the support. You think these religious noble families are going to turn ageinst the chantry?

"And Perhaps if those mages were loyal to more then themselves they might make a convincing case but when they are burning the world down in a self deluded struggle for freedom i doubt the monarchs of Thedas will be overly inviting."

Who shows they are loyal to only themselves? Do you not understand how many court mage there are? It's a consept of mutual benifits. The mages that serve the noblity get protedted and the noblity who have mages working for them get use of their abilities. This is not hard concept to fallow.


"Also considering the Templars have quite a treasure trove of knowledge when it comes to combating demons they would also be viable options for combating the foes that escape the fade, a pet mage may be needed to close a tear but i have a feeling that will not be the only method of closing it."

All that knowleges comes from the mages, who know 100 times more the the templars. Most templars  don't have this know, few do. You can see this in DAO and DA2 with the templar facing the demons in the alianages and the templar being taken down by demons in the tower.

"Finally,The ritual that resulted in the one tranquil becoming untranquil to my knowledge rests with a sole indivual now and given that use the chantry and templars get from the tranquil it would be foolish to cast them aside for a risk they may present."

It's not hard to do. It just takes expose to the fade or a demon or spirit contacting the tranquil. And with the Veil open that is easy to happen.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 18 décembre 2013 - 07:30 .

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...


My Maker reading this is painful.

So you ignore the three Templars presented in game that are of Noble birth, and who's families donate heavily to the Order. Whom are you say this isn't common place? for nobility to go into the order, Its a life of sacrafice and service but in some cases it can be preferable to politics.

So considering you have Templars in the Freemarches and Fereldan that are of noble birth i can see them having quite a bit of sway in those regions as far as making templar rule legitmate.

And Perhaps if those mages were loyal to more then themselves they might make a convincing case but when they are burning the world down in a self deluded struggle for freedom i doubt the monarchs of Thedas will be overly inviting.

Also considering the Templars have quite a treasure trove of knowledge when it comes to combating demons they would also be viable options for combating the foes that escape the fade, a pet mage may be needed to close a tear but i have a feeling that will not be the only method of closing it.

Finally,The ritual that resulted in the one tranquil becoming untranquil to my knowledge rests with a sole indivual now and given that use the chantry and templars get from the tranquil it would be foolish to cast them aside for a risk they may present.

"So you ignore the three Templars presented in game that are of Noble birth, and who's families donate heavily to the Order. Whom are you say this isn't common place? for nobility to go into the order, Its a life of sacrafice and service but in some cases it can be preferable to politics."

But it's not. Some do. It's far from the majority. The noblity still support the chantry more. This is a fact. All the chantry has to so is call the rogue templars out laws and their goes the support. You think these religious noble families are going to turn ageinst the chantry?

"And Perhaps if those mages were loyal to more then themselves they might make a convincing case but when they are burning the world down in a self deluded struggle for freedom i doubt the monarchs of Thedas will be overly inviting."

Who shows they are loyal to only themselves? Do you not understand how many court mage there are? It's a consept of mutual benifits. The mages that serve the noblity get protedted and the noblity who have mages working for them get use of their abilities. This is not hard concept to fallow.


"Also considering the Templars have quite a treasure trove of knowledge when it comes to combating demons they would also be viable options for combating the foes that escape the fade, a pet mage may be needed to close a tear but i have a feeling that will not be the only method of closing it."

All that knowleges comes from the mages, who know 100 times more the the templars. Most templars  don't have this know, few do. You can see this in DAO and DA2 with the templar facing the demons in the alianages and the templar being taken down by demons in the tower.

"Finally,The ritual that resulted in the one tranquil becoming untranquil to my knowledge rests with a sole indivual now and given that use the chantry and templars get from the tranquil it would be foolish to cast them aside for a risk they may present."

It's not hard to do. It just takes expose to the fade or a demon or spirit contacting the tranquil. And with the Veil open that is easy to happen.

So assumption, Assumption, Conjecture, And assumption? I ignored the stawman regarding the Templar Knowledge because i really have no interest in further debate of this.

But i will point this out, thus far everything i have stated has been backed up by the canon universe and events that can take place within it; However in the promage dreamscape you apparently dwell within what actually can occur and does occur within DA doesn't matter much.

Whom are you state that nobility don't commonly donate their children to the templars? Oh and Court Mages are still appointed to said position by the circle you realize, and the chantry and thus the templars still maintain a vigilant watch upon them, So...In truth it wasn't much of a position of protection more so it was slightly increased freedom considering they traveled where their leige did and only had to return to the circle once summoned.

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...


So assumption, Assumption, Conjecture, And assumption? I ignored the stawman regarding the Templar Knowledge because i really have no interest in further debate of this.

But i will point this out, thus far everything i have stated has been backed up by the canon universe and events that can take place within it; However in the promage dreamscape you apparently dwell within what actually can occur and does occur within DA doesn't matter much.

Whom are you state that nobility don't commonly donate their children to the templars? Oh and Court Mages are still appointed to said position by the circle you realize, and the chantry and thus the templars still maintain a vigilant watch upon them, So...In truth it wasn't much of a position of protection more so it was slightly increased freedom considering they traveled where their leige did and only had to return to the circle once summoned.

No. What you stated is not backed up by the cannon. You have to note that every pro templar noble is that because they are Andrastian. They are chantry first.
You saying they are going to turn on the divine because one zealot says so is like say Caothics will do the say because a zeolots says so. Sorry but that makes no sense.

Nobles see the templars and chantry as one in the same. If templars go out side of the chantry, why would the nobles support them if they are Andrastian first?

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...


So assumption, Assumption, Conjecture, And assumption? I ignored the stawman regarding the Templar Knowledge because i really have no interest in further debate of this.

But i will point this out, thus far everything i have stated has been backed up by the canon universe and events that can take place within it; However in the promage dreamscape you apparently dwell within what actually can occur and does occur within DA doesn't matter much.

Whom are you state that nobility don't commonly donate their children to the templars? Oh and Court Mages are still appointed to said position by the circle you realize, and the chantry and thus the templars still maintain a vigilant watch upon them, So...In truth it wasn't much of a position of protection more so it was slightly increased freedom considering they traveled where their leige did and only had to return to the circle once summoned.

No. What you stated is not backed up by the cannon. You have to note that every pro templar noble is that because they are Andrastian. They are chantry first.
You saying they are going to turn on the divine because one zealot says so is like say Caothics will do the say because a zeolots says so. Sorry but that makes no sense.

Nobles see the templars and chantry as one in the same. If templars go out side of the chantry, why would the nobles support them if they are Andrastian first?

Truely? You think Faith alone makes a Templar? Considering this is pure speculation will not go further because they is truely becoming dull.

Considering at the close of Asunder the entirity of the Order was assembling to combat the mages, Yes that is apparently what occured.

And this isn't one Zealot.

Its the head of the seekers of truth, in reality for a comparison the best one that comes to mind is commnander of the Army, The Lord Seeker once the accord was anulled is in effect the commander and chief. That isn't to say you won't have templars clinging to the chantry, but that also isn't to say that some in the chantry will agree with Lambert over the divine.

And considering the Lord Seeker and thus the Seekers and Templars that have split from the chantry likely have portions of it supporting their efforts? Whom is to say, Perhaps they would state the divine isn't to be acknowledge as such anymore and is merely a heretic, This is as much a religious schism after all as it is a war against magic.

[David Gaider]

And here I thought we were talking about characters from the novels?

The Templar/Mage argument is a valid one for Dragon Age, but let's restrict it to threads that are actually about that, shall we? It's not as if there are a shortage of threads about where one might spit venom at anyone who expresses agreement with the side you dislike.

Modifié par David Gaider, 19 décembre 2013 - 02:09 .

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...



Truely? You think Faith alone makes a Templar? Considering this is pure speculation will not go further because they is truely becoming dull.

Considering at the close of Asunder the entirity of the Order was assembling to combat the mages, Yes that is apparently what occured.

And this isn't one Zealot.

Its the head of the seekers of truth, in reality for a comparison the best one that comes to mind is commnander of the Army, The Lord Seeker once the accord was anulled is in effect the commander and chief. That isn't to say you won't have templars clinging to the chantry, but that also isn't to say that some in the chantry will agree with Lambert over the divine.

And considering the Lord Seeker and thus the Seekers and Templars that have split from the chantry likely have portions of it supporting their efforts? Whom is to say, Perhaps they would state the divine isn't to be acknowledge as such anymore and is merely a heretic, This is as much a religious schism after all as it is a war against magic.

Who said the entire order sides with Lambert. It make no difference if it's one zealot or a bunch of zealot...
Why would they turn on the divine because one zealot or a group says so?

How or what says they are right? Say the accord is annulled makes no difference. These nobles are Andrastian first. They just see these templars as heritics.

[Master Warder Z_]

David Gaider wrote...

And here I thought we were talking about characters from the novels?

The Templar/Mage argument is a valid one for Dragon Age, but let's restrict it to threads that are actually about that, shall we? It's not as if there are a shortage of threads about where one might spit venom at anyone who expresses agreement with the side you dislike.

It does seem to derail when things that even vaguely approach the subject come into play.

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...



Truely? You think Faith alone makes a Templar? Considering this is pure speculation will not go further because they is truely becoming dull.

Considering at the close of Asunder the entirity of the Order was assembling to combat the mages, Yes that is apparently what occured.

And this isn't one Zealot.

Its the head of the seekers of truth, in reality for a comparison the best one that comes to mind is commnander of the Army, The Lord Seeker once the accord was anulled is in effect the commander and chief. That isn't to say you won't have templars clinging to the chantry, but that also isn't to say that some in the chantry will agree with Lambert over the divine.

And considering the Lord Seeker and thus the Seekers and Templars that have split from the chantry likely have portions of it supporting their efforts? Whom is to say, Perhaps they would state the divine isn't to be acknowledge as such anymore and is merely a heretic, This is as much a religious schism after all as it is a war against magic.

Who said the entire order sides with Lambert. It make no difference if it's one zealot or a bunch of zealot...
Why would they turn on the divine because one zealot or a group says so?

How or what says they are right? Say the accord is annulled makes no difference. These nobles are Andrastian first. They just see these templars as heritics.

I say we do as Gaider has suggested and move this to another thread.

Eitherway consider my part in this little debate over.

It was getting increasingly annoying and boring anyway.

[leaguer of one]

David Gaider wrote...

And here I thought we were talking about characters from the novels?

The Templar/Mage argument is a valid one for Dragon Age, but let's restrict it to threads that are actually about that, shall we? It's not as if there are a shortage of threads about where one might spit venom at anyone who expresses agreement with the side you dislike.

Ok, I'll let it go.

[Angrywolves]

David Gaider wrote...

And here I thought we were talking about characters from the novels?

The Templar/Mage argument is a valid one for Dragon Age, but let's restrict it to threads that are actually about that, shall we? It's not as if there are a shortage of threads about where one might spit venom at anyone who expresses agreement with the side you dislike.

Never read any of the novels.
I don't read much anymore other than news and game reviews and of course posts on gaming forums.
At least the thread hasn't been diverted into a discussions about sex or, cough cough faces.Rotfl.

Of course some people want Maevernis, thanks to the miracles of wikis I can know about novels and comics I 've never read.
But David has said Mae won't  be in DAI, so unless he changes his mind we can forget that.

I don't want Cole. I've said that.
http://dragonage.wik...on_Age:_Asunder

We'll need a mage so Rhys might make sense.:innocent:

[Eagle Pusuit]

I agree with every point that the OP has considered. I would also add Evangeline for consideration. Wynn died for her and gave her the Spirit of Mercy that she was harboring. It' would very odd to me that this would happen without the recipient playing a major role in further entries in the plot.

I see Evangeline being a sort of liaison between the inquisition and the Mage faction. As both a Templar and the host of a spirit during the time of tears in the Fade, she could be a very interesting character.

I consider her to be the most likely candidate to be a character in Inquisition. But if the Asunder character is a companion, then I think it's Cole, because it seems that he was at least under strong enough consideration to be in that leaked survey.

[ChaosMorning]

The only thing with Evangeline is that she is likely to be dead in some players games (I know, I know, the 'we're not dead tbh lulz' thing, but it's not likely to happen again..). Asunder ran with Bioware's own canon (Dalish elf, King Alistair, blah blah) so if Wynne died in some people's games, the events of Asunder would've taken place, but been drastically different.