Aller au contenu

Photo

The Returning Character from Dragon Age: Asunder


271 réponses à ce sujet

#26
Silfren

Silfren
  • Members
  • 4 748 messages
If it turns out to be only one character, I think it will be either Rhys or Cole or Lambert. I'm not convinced that we will see exactly and only one, though. There are several characters whom it would make sense to see in Inquisition, given their roles.

It occurs to me as I write this, though, that the character we see might well turn out to be Fiona, or the Divine.  I don't think it's a good idea to discount them just because they appeared previously in other games or books.  If a Dev didn't specify that the character debuted in Asunder, let's not go assuming that's what they meant.

Also, OP, bear in mind that Vivienne is pro Circle--presumably this means she's an Aequitarian like Wynne or Irving, or possibly even a Loyalist.  I see no reason why we couldn't have Adrian as a companion just to represent the opposite view.  Having two mages on opposite ends of that spectrum as companions would be interesting, I think; especially if both women turned out to actually like each other.

Modifié par Silfren, 17 décembre 2013 - 05:08 .


#27
I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE

I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE
  • Members
  • 17 347 messages
I have this feeling in my gut Fiona is going to die at that peace conference at the beginning of the game, along with a bunch of others.

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 17 décembre 2013 - 04:50 .


#28
Guest_EntropicAngel_*

Guest_EntropicAngel_*
  • Guests
I wouldn't call that "returning," personally.

#29
ChaosMorning

ChaosMorning
  • Members
  • 222 messages

Silfren wrote...

If it turns out to be only one character, I think it will be either Rhys or Cole or Lambert. I'm not convinced that we will see exactly and only one, though. There are several characters whom it would make sense to see in Inquisition, given their roles.

It occurs to me as I write this, though, that the character we see might well turn out to be Fiona, or the Divine.  I don't think it's a good idea to discount them just because they appeared previously in other games or books.  If a Dev didn't specify that the character debuted in Asunder, let's not go assuming that's what they meant.

Also, OP, bear in mind that Vivienne is pro Circle--presumably this means she's an Aequitarian like Wynne or Irving, or possibly even a Loyalist.  I see no reason why we couldn't have Adrian as a companion just to represent the opposite view.  Having two mages on opposite ends of that spectrum as companions would be interesting, I think; especially if both women turned out to actually like each other.


In response to the first paragraph:  Yes I imagine we will see more than one character from Asunder, given the importance of many figures that appeared in the novel and the roles they may come to play in the Mage-Templar War.  I personally believe that Cole will be the companion, but I also think that we will indeed see Rhys, Adrian and potentially Evangeline if she is alive.

In response to the second paragraph:  I was not discounting any other characters who had débuted in previous Dragon Age installments (I apologize for the confusion my phrasing may have caused); for the sake of my own ‘arguments’  I decided to limit the number of character speculations to those who débuted in Asunder. 
However, I stand by my point that it is equally fair to assume he did mean a character new from Asunder as it is fair to say he just meant a character that appeared in Asunder.
This is the tweet Mike Laidlaw was responding to:

Is it possible that a certain character from a certain book might make an appearance in a certain game?

We have no reason to assume that it will be one of the newer characters, but we also have no reason to assume that’s not what they meant. I think if he meant a character like Leliana or Fiona, he would have said something more like ‘from a DLC’ or ‘one of the DA novels’ rather than Asunder specifically. 

This early in the game, so to speak, anything could happen. It’s rather exciting, don't you think? I'm positvely shivering with antici..pation.

In response to the third paragraph: I was taking into consideration that Vivienne is (extemely) for the Circle system – however when asked if she was like Wynne, multiple devs appeared to laugh. Hysterically.  (Scroll down to see the Wynne 'comparison')

Hers is apparently a bit less “calm” a personality than Wynne, or something of that fashion.  I don’t know if she is from the Aequitarians or the Loyalists – or if she even is a member of one of the groups (though most Senior Enchanters are, as alluded to in the Magi Origin by Torrin, I believe).  It would be interesting to see her as a Loyalist though - we haven't seen a proper, non-rediculous, Loyalist yet.

I believe in the original post I said, “It's not to say that both couldn't be companions, but I personally can't see it happening.”  

Vivienne and Adrian very well could both be companions, I just don’t think that it will happen. It would be interesting to have Adrian there to present reasons why mages should not follow the Circle system, but even then, I don’t think Adrian would be a great candidate to do that (more likely she's interested in working with her own 'forces' rather than joining the Inquisition, but its all guessing; there will likely be a character who does present those issues to the Inquisitor, I just don’t know if I’d bet on it being Adrian.

However, I really don’t think the two will/would like one another. 

I’m going by complete speculation obviously, but given their statuses as two Orlesian Senior Enchanters (potentially meaning that they both may have interacted with one another in the politics of the Orlesian Circles or at the College of Magi) with directly opposed views on the Circle, I feel that, at least, Adrian would strongly dislike Vivienne for the same reasons she dislikes Wynne. It appears that any mage who does not follow along with her separationist views (even Rhys [she didn’t dislike him per say, but that is neither here nor there]) is someone that she would be rather upset at – especially when said person is an influential member of the Circle of Magi like Wynne and Vivienne are.   Whether Vivienne would have any opinion of her is another matter entirely.

Modifié par ChaosMorning, 17 décembre 2013 - 07:10 .


#30
efd731

efd731
  • Members
  • 1 487 messages
Would love to see cole in action in the game!! Everyone's favourite abomination (or something) can finally have some light shined on his character. Just imagine the recruitment quest for an invisible serial killer with memory loss. IMO he is easy to like or dislike(makes him interesting) we know little of his real story, and with the fade being torn someone in his unique situation could prove useful (he's practically this game's fenris even though he'd be a rogue)

#31
Argahawk

Argahawk
  • Members
  • 376 messages

Angrywolves wrote...

Don't want cole.


same here, cole were so annoying in Asunder and hope to not see him as companion in DAI

#32
Ziegrif

Ziegrif
  • Members
  • 10 095 messages
I just hope they don't hinge the characters development entirely on the fact that we need to have read the book to understand something. Me no likey pagey books. Me like explosions.

#33
themageguy

themageguy
  • Members
  • 3 176 messages
Oh awesome I didn't know biowares default canon was dalish elf ( she dies right?) and pro-Mage hawke. Thanks!I personally I hope to see Evangeline. Seems she could be a actual spirit warrior now :o)

#34
ChaosMorning

ChaosMorning
  • Members
  • 222 messages

efd731 wrote...

Would love to see cole in action in the game!! Everyone's favourite abomination (or something) can finally have some light shined on his character. Just imagine the recruitment quest for an invisible serial killer with memory loss. IMO he is easy to like or dislike(makes him interesting) we know little of his real story, and with the fade being torn someone in his unique situation could prove useful (he's practically this game's fenris even though he'd be a rogue)


I'd love to see how they'd meet - especially how a mage Inquisitor could see/sense that he was some sort of Fade entity. And I really am expecting the Spirit of Hope/Despair Demon thing to be part of him.

Not sure how he'd be "this game's Fenris" though. I mean, Cole was an Orlesian boy who was brought to the Circle and died in captivity, leading to some kind of Fade creature merging with him - then he stalked the tower invisible, killing mages to "stay real."  I mean, they both have pretty tragic back stories, but lots of characters do - and Cole seems to support the Mages, or like he would support them, having been one once, and having a dislike for the Templars in the White Spire. 

Interesting juxtaposition though.

Ziegrif wrote...

I just hope they don't hinge the characters development entirely on the fact that we need to have read the book to understand something. Me no likey pagey books. Me like explosions.


I don't think that would be a problem - they've said on multiple occasions that any character who has appeared in the comics or novels would have to be introduced in such a manner that you don't need to read their original source to understand them.  The Architect was perfectly understandable in Awakening, but those who read The Calling just had a 'deeper' understanding of his character, and in ME3 we had Kahlee Sanders appear (the protagonist of the ME novels), and you really didn't have to read any of the novels to get her character,  but if you did you'd know more about her history and relationship with Anderson.  No comment on Kai Leng, that could've been handled better.

I'd reccommend at least reading the summaries on the DA Wiki though, it'd give they the gist of things. Not necessary but it'll save you the read if you don't like books much.

themageguy wrote...

Oh awesome I didn't know biowares default canon was dalish elf ( she dies right?) and pro-Mage hawke. Thanks!I personally I hope to see Evangeline. Seems she could be a actual spirit warrior now :o)


Yes - Biowares "canon" for producing comics, books, and future game installments goes with a (I believe female) Dalish Elf Warden who made Alistair king and then preformed the Ultimate Sacrifice; Hawke is then a Mage who supported the mages throughout the game and during The Final Straw. Source

#35
TKavatar

TKavatar
  • Members
  • 1 642 messages
I'm not sure I want a demonic murderer as a companion in DAI. But if he's optional that would be okay because then I can just ignore him/use my trusty Murder Knife™ if it comes to that.

#36
efd731

efd731
  • Members
  • 1 487 messages
When I said "this games Fenris" I meant someone with memory problems and special abilities denied to regular mortals.Cole can go invisible and fenris could rip your heart out of your chest. But yeah, the angst is probably going to be another similarity :P you can call cole many things, but well-adjusted is not one.

#37
ChaosMorning

ChaosMorning
  • Members
  • 222 messages

TKavatar wrote...

I'm not sure I want a demonic murderer as a companion in DAI. But if he's optional that would be okay because then I can just ignore him/use my trusty Murder Knife™ if it comes to that.


To be fair, we've already worked with a fair few possessed companions and mages who practice blood magic and consort with demons.

Technically all 'kind of' murderers, if we go with Zevran's, "We all do our fair share of killing."

Cole's just... well, he's a bit different. His reasons for killing are indeed rather warped in comparison to some others - I get them, doesn't mean I "approve" but I get them.

efd731 wrote...

When I said "this games Fenris" I meant someone with memory problems and special abilities denied to regular mortals.Cole can go invisible and fenris could rip your heart out of your chest. But yeah, the angst is probably going to be another similarity :P you can call cole many things, but well-adjusted is not one.


Ahh, I see. Yes, Cole does have "memories that are not his own" that seem to be product of the old Cole and the Fade entity merging - it actually bares resemblance to the demon that possessed Sophia, a little, when she said something like "this one can taste her memories" or something. Just with less rotting and mildly less insanity.

Modifié par ChaosMorning, 17 décembre 2013 - 02:58 .


#38
Lord Raijin

Lord Raijin
  • Members
  • 2 777 messages
My best bet would be Rhys or Evangeline, or maybe both? Who knows.

#39
Plaintiff

Plaintiff
  • Members
  • 6 998 messages
One of the nameless peasants from the tavern scene.

#40
Beerfish

Beerfish
  • Members
  • 23 870 messages
I would want to kill Rhys, Cole or Evangeline on sight. It will be tough to ignore events from the book for me.

#41
leaguer of one

leaguer of one
  • Members
  • 9 995 messages

Beerfish wrote...

I would want to kill Rhys, Cole or Evangeline on sight. It will be tough to ignore events from the book for me.


Ok, Why? These are the 3 people how did the least wrong things in the book.

#42
Kidd

Kidd
  • Members
  • 3 667 messages
I think Cole or Evangeline have the highest chances. Cole is, well, Cole. He's still got plenty of questions open. Evangeline seemingly received what she did toward the end of the book for a reason - doubt that scene was put there just for fun. She has purpose in the future, I think. That future may very well be now.

#43
Beerfish

Beerfish
  • Members
  • 23 870 messages

leaguer of one wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

I would want to kill Rhys, Cole or Evangeline on sight. It will be tough to ignore events from the book for me.


Ok, Why? These are the 3 people how did the least wrong things in the book.


I take great great great great great issue with this sentiment.

Spoilers below!

Rhys:  An incredbily selfish wishy washy character, who refused to see things plainly staring him in the face.  He put just about every person he came in contact with in jeopardy.  Sure he would tell one of his little disarming jokes but he never really thought of anyone else but himself through the whole darn book.  This was right to the bitter end where after his mother sacrifices all for him so he can be with his 'love' he immediately betrays the ideologies his mom clung to for years.

Cole:  A mass killer and a demon.  Another disarming character in how they act in the game but he kills to maintian his existence and 'convinces' his victims that they want to die.  Basically a demon or someone that is possessed.  How he came to that point was unfortunate but basically a mass killer.

Evangeline:  A traitor of the worst kind.  Love starved, gets taken in by Rhys and his silly charms and truns her back on everything and everyone she had been associated with previously, including murdering former comrades and committing some of the ultiamte sins of being a Templar.

Dave Gaider did a great job of writing these characters because when you look at them they come across as funny or sympathetic, but when you look at their actions through the book they are pretty dispicable and or totally selfish.

Modifié par Beerfish, 17 décembre 2013 - 06:27 .


#44
Silfren

Silfren
  • Members
  • 4 748 messages

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

I think Cole or Evangeline have the highest chances. Cole is, well, Cole. He's still got plenty of questions open. Evangeline seemingly received what she did toward the end of the book for a reason - doubt that scene was put there just for fun. She has purpose in the future, I think. That future may very well be now.


I would agree with you about Evangeline's seeming importance, but don't forget that Wynne can be killed in an Origins playthrough, which would cancel out much of the events of Asunder.  Not that I think Bioware would let that stop them, but they seem to be insisting that people's decisions will be respected; whether that extends to making the choice to NOT retcon a companion's death remains to be seen.

#45
Silfren

Silfren
  • Members
  • 4 748 messages

Beerfish wrote...

I take great great great great great issue with this sentiment.

Spoilers below!

Rhys:  An incredbily selfish wishy washy character, who refused to see things plainly staring him in the face.  He put just about every person he came in contact with in jeopardy.  Sure he would tell one of his little disarming jokes but he never really thought of anyone else but himself through the whole darn book.  This was right to the bitter end where after his mother sacrifices all for him so he can be with his 'love' he immediately betrays the ideologies his mom clung to for years.

Cole:  A mass killer and a demon.  Another disarming character in how they act in the game but he kills to maintian his existence and 'convinces' his victims that they want to die.  Basically a demon or someone that is possessed.  How he came to that point was unfortunate but basically a mass killer.

Evangeline:  A traitor of the worst kind.  Love starved, gets taken in by Rhys and his silly charms and truns her back on everything and everyone she had been associated with previously, including murdering former comrades and committing some of the ultiamte sins of being a Templar.

Dave Gaider did a great job of writing these characters because when you look at them they come across as funny or sympathetic, but when you look at their actions through the book they are pretty dispicable and or totally selfish.


I don't see how anyone could call Evangeline "love starved."  That's the most outlandishly ridiculous assessment of her character I've ever seen.  I'm not sure how Rhys comes across as selfish or wishy-washy, either, but to sum Evangeline up as a love-starved traitor is absurd.  She is an exemplary example of what the Templar Order is SUPPOSED to represent.

Modifié par Silfren, 17 décembre 2013 - 06:58 .


#46
Hellion Rex

Hellion Rex
  • Members
  • 30 037 messages

Silfren wrote...
I don't see how anyone could call Evangeline "love starved."  That's the most outlandishly ridiculous assessment of her character I've ever seen.  I'm not sure how Rhys comes across as selfish or wishy-washy, either, but to sum Evangeline up as a love-starved traitor is absurd.  She is an exemplary example of what the Templar Order is SUPPOSED to represent.


Ditto.

#47
ChaosMorning

ChaosMorning
  • Members
  • 222 messages

Silfren wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

I take great great great great great issue with this sentiment.

Spoilers below!

Rhys:  An incredbily selfish wishy washy character, who refused to see things plainly staring him in the face.  He put just about every person he came in contact with in jeopardy.  Sure he would tell one of his little disarming jokes but he never really thought of anyone else but himself through the whole darn book.  This was right to the bitter end where after his mother sacrifices all for him so he can be with his 'love' he immediately betrays the ideologies his mom clung to for years.

Cole:  A mass killer and a demon.  Another disarming character in how they act in the game but he kills to maintian his existence and 'convinces' his victims that they want to die.  Basically a demon or someone that is possessed.  How he came to that point was unfortunate but basically a mass killer.

Evangeline:  A traitor of the worst kind.  Love starved, gets taken in by Rhys and his silly charms and truns her back on everything and everyone she had been associated with previously, including murdering former comrades and committing some of the ultiamte sins of being a Templar.

Dave Gaider did a great job of writing these characters because when you look at them they come across as funny or sympathetic, but when you look at their actions through the book they are pretty dispicable and or totally selfish.


I don't see how anyone could call Evangeline "love starved."  That's the most outlandishly ridiculous assessment of her character I've ever seen.  I'm not sure how Rhys comes across as selfish or wishy-washy, either, but to sum Evangeline up as a love-starved traitor is absurd.  She is an exemplary example of what the Templar Order is SUPPOSED to represent.


This. 

#48
efd731

efd731
  • Members
  • 1 487 messages

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...
I don't see how anyone could call Evangeline "love starved."  That's the most outlandishly ridiculous assessment of her character I've ever seen.  I'm not sure how Rhys comes across as selfish or wishy-washy, either, but to sum Evangeline up as a love-starved traitor is absurd.  She is an exemplary example of what the Templar Order is SUPPOSED to represent.


Ditto.


YUUUUP

#49
leaguer of one

leaguer of one
  • Members
  • 9 995 messages

Beerfish wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

I would want to kill Rhys, Cole or Evangeline on sight. It will be tough to ignore events from the book for me.


Ok, Why? These are the 3 people how did the least wrong things in the book.


I take great great great great great issue with this sentiment.

Spoilers below!

Rhys:  An incredbily selfish wishy washy character, who refused to see things plainly staring him in the face.  He put just about every person he came in contact with in jeopardy.  Sure he would tell one of his little disarming jokes but he never really thought of anyone else but himself through the whole darn book.  This was right to the bitter end where after his mother sacrifices all for him so he can be with his 'love' he immediately betrays the ideologies his mom clung to for years.

Cole:  A mass killer and a demon.  Another disarming character in how they act in the game but he kills to maintian his existence and 'convinces' his victims that they want to die.  Basically a demon or someone that is possessed.  How he came to that point was unfortunate but basically a mass killer.

Evangeline:  A traitor of the worst kind.  Love starved, gets taken in by Rhys and his silly charms and truns her back on everything and everyone she had been associated with previously, including murdering former comrades and committing some of the ultiamte sins of being a Templar.

Dave Gaider did a great job of writing these characters because when you look at them they come across as funny or sympathetic, but when you look at their actions through the book they are pretty dispicable and or totally selfish.

1. Rhys issue was he wanted ti help others too much... To the point it endangered himself. How is he selfish?
2.Cole is a killer...Of people who really want to die. He is only attracted to people who are in so much despair that they want to die. Even one people literaly ask him to kill him. Really, what's the issue here? Whats the punishment for killing people who want to die?

3.Evangeline is a traitor for doing what the devine, the head of the chantry and the main controler for the templers asked her to do. Her job is to protect the world from magic, this also means protecting mages from magic as well,  and them from themselves. This also means to protect mages form people who want to do undue harm on them , even from othe templers. She did her job.  You clearly don't understand that.

#50
Beerfish

Beerfish
  • Members
  • 23 870 messages

Silfren wrote...



I don't see how anyone could call Evangeline "love starved."  That's the most outlandishly ridiculous assessment of her character I've ever seen.  I'm not sure how Rhys comes across as selfish or wishy-washy, either, but to sum Evangeline up as a love-starved traitor is absurd.  She is an exemplary example of what the Templar Order is SUPPOSED to represent.


Quite easily really, she had no one in her life, it accurately paints that picture right off the bat about her and she falls for Rhys very easily.    lol, So you are saying that an exemplayr tempalr is one that helps apostate mages escape, steals or destorys phylactries and kills other templars that try and stop her.  Gotcha.

Start of book, rhys goes wandering, not for the 1st time out of the circle when he is not supposed to on a whim about Cole.  He does this knowing that it's wrong, knowing that all mages will be watched closer.

He doesn't tell anyone about cole, once again risking all around him.

He acts like a snot to his mother until it is convenient not to.

He screws up the whole research into removing tranquility and shrugs his shoudlers when a whole keep is killed off due to the dudes experiments.

He waffles back and forth between his long time mage friend who has a huge freedom for mages proponent between supporting her or not.

Go back and read the book again and think to yourself at each step.  Is the action rhys is now taking good for everyone around him or onlygood for him?  Is he acting in a smart logical fashion or is he being a dumb ass?

The two characters who were painted as black hats in the game were by far the most logical, smartest and most loyal to their causes.  Lambert and Adrian.