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[Beerfish]

leaguer of one wrote...

1. Rhys issue was he wanted ti help others too much... To the point it endangered himself. How is he selfish?
2.Cole is a killer...Of people who really want to die. He is only attracted to people who are in so much despair that they want to die. Even one people literaly ask him to kill him. Really, what's the issue here? Whats the punishment for killing people who want to die?

3.Evangeline is a traitor for doing what the devine, the head of the chantry and the main controler for the templers asked her to do. Her job is to protect the world from magic, this also means protecting mages from magic as well,  and them from themselves. This also means to protect mages form people who want to do undue harm on them , even from othe templers. She did her job.  You clearly don't understand that.

1. his actions were anything but that.  He endagnerd others and when he endagenred himself he endangered everyone that cared for him but he couldn;t get it through this thick head that his actions had consequnces and his misdeeds left his closest people in severe jeopardy.

2.  Nonsense he convicnes all the people that wanted to die that they wanted to die and this only touches on the cases we know about.  He didn't do this out of pity he did it because he was going to disappear if he didn't. 

3. Nonsense, everything she did was totally against the templars code so to speak and just because the divine appears to have wanted to change the way things were happening, the harbouring of apostates, demons, destorying pyalactires and killing fellow templars all who swore an oath was most certainly not templar of the month behaviour.  I'd say that if she had not fallen for Rhys things may have not turned out the way they did for her.

[leaguer of one]

Beerfish wrote...

Silfren wrote...



I don't see how anyone could call Evangeline "love starved."  That's the most outlandishly ridiculous assessment of her character I've ever seen.  I'm not sure how Rhys comes across as selfish or wishy-washy, either, but to sum Evangeline up as a love-starved traitor is absurd.  She is an exemplary example of what the Templar Order is SUPPOSED to represent.

Quite easily really, she had no one in her life, it accurately paints that picture right off the bat about her and she falls for Rhys very easily.    lol, So you are saying that an exemplayr tempalr is one that helps apostate mages escape, steals or destorys phylactries and kills other templars that try and stop her.  Gotcha.

Start of book, rhys goes wandering, not for the 1st time out of the circle when he is not supposed to on a whim about Cole.  He does this knowing that it's wrong, knowing that all mages will be watched closer.

He doesn't tell anyone about cole, once again risking all around him.

He acts like a snot to his mother until it is convenient not to.

He screws up the whole research into removing tranquility and shrugs his shoudlers when a whole keep is killed off due to the dudes experiments.

He waffles back and forth between his long time mage friend who has a huge freedom for mages proponent between supporting her or not.

Go back and read the book again and think to yourself at each step.  Is the action rhys is now taking good for everyone around him or onlygood for him?  Is he acting in a smart logical fashion or is he being a dumb ass?

The two characters who were painted as black hats in the game were by far the most logical, smartest and most loyal to their causes.  Lambert and Adrian.

That does not mean love starved. To be that you need to be desperatly be looking for love. A;so, every thing she did under the orders of her boss, the Divine. And all that was to protect these so called mages from a Seeker gone crazy with powers.  
So yes, she was doing her job.. That inculdes protecting these mages as well.

As for Rhys, he's allowed to be where he was found. It just he was not allowed to be there then and was peviously confine in his room. Remeber, Templers did find him there before and though he was play chess by himself.
AS for his iisue with Cole, He was trying to help him. He did not think at the time he was responsible for the killing. This is not a selfish act and he did this to because he want ed to help Cole. Out. His issue is he ant to help others too much.
And on his relationship with his friend, he does not waffles back and forth about it. He clearly is pro freedom for mages at the start. The issue he waffles about  is how to do it. He does nto want to be the main speaker for it like his "friend " wants but he does want it to happen.


"He screws up the whole research into removing tranquility and shrugs his shoudlers when a whole keep is killed off due to the dudes experiments."
 Did you even read the same book? The guy was histarical depressed about it.


"The two characters who were painted as black hats in the game were by far the most logical, smartest and most loyal to their causes.  Lambert and Adrian."

You're serious? The two people who cause the most mess by dragging both sides to fight one another kicking and screaming ageinst their will and cause the entire mess you labled "by far the most logical, smartest and most loyal ".

Mr. Disobays orders form his boss Lambert and Miss Back stabs my best friend Adrian.

[Medhia Nox]

Wasn't Leliana in Asunder?

[leaguer of one]

Beerfish wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

1. Rhys issue was he wanted ti help others too much... To the point it endangered himself. How is he selfish?
2.Cole is a killer...Of people who really want to die. He is only attracted to people who are in so much despair that they want to die. Even one people literaly ask him to kill him. Really, what's the issue here? Whats the punishment for killing people who want to die?

3.Evangeline is a traitor for doing what the devine, the head of the chantry and the main controler for the templers asked her to do. Her job is to protect the world from magic, this also means protecting mages from magic as well,  and them from themselves. This also means to protect mages form people who want to do undue harm on them , even from othe templers. She did her job.  You clearly don't understand that.

1. his actions were anything but that.  He endagnerd others and when he endagenred himself he endangered everyone that cared for him but he couldn;t get it through this thick head that his actions had consequnces and his misdeeds left his closest people in severe jeopardy.

2.  Nonsense he convicnes all the people that wanted to die that they wanted to die and this only touches on the cases we know about.  He didn't do this out of pity he did it because he was going to disappear if he didn't. 

3. Nonsense, everything she did was totally against the templars code so to speak and just because the divine appears to have wanted to change the way things were happening, the harbouring of apostates, demons, destorying pyalactires and killing fellow templars all who swore an oath was most certainly not templar of the month behaviour.  I'd say that if she had not fallen for Rhys things may have not turned out the way they did for her.

1. You clearly are missing something. Rhys endangered no one. With Cole he did not know he was the kill and once he did tried to captured him. And Rhys was capture it was only his head on the block. Others only tried to help him but only he was in danger form his actions.

2.Wrong. Mr. former tranquil prove you wrong. Not one did he try to convince him to let him kill him. Cole upright tells him he can get him out of jail and free into the world. The looks at him tells him no and ask him to kill him. Added, he is only seen by Rys and people in despair. He does not make them despair, they just already are. He does not even try to convince them to let him kill them. Example the girl in the fort, she was already in despair, she was not made to want to die and she not countinue to want to die afte cole pulled her out. Sorry, the stor makes it a point all he did were mercy kills.

3.The templar code is to protect the people of the world from magic and to protect mages for the world and from themselves. This means protecting mages form other templars as well.  Added, they also to exsist by the say of the divine. It means what she say goes. Sorry, but she did her job.  She did not do it for Rhys. She did it because form the start she is a guardian in her nature.

[leaguer of one]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Wasn't Leliana in Asunder?

Yep. A Seekers well so she has as much say over the templar order as Lambert.

[ChaosMorning]

leaguer of one wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Wasn't Leliana in Asunder?

Yep. A Seekers well so she has as much say over the templar order as Lambert.

Leliana is/was not a Seeker. She is a 'Hand of the Divine' and not a part of the Seekers of Truth nor the Templar Order, as confirmed by David Gaider. (That she was wearing Seeker's armor is not really indicative of anything, it seems.)

Leliana has no real influence over the Seekers of Truth, Templar order or the Circle of Magi - any respect or fear she does command would likely stem from her 'notorious position' as the Divine's left hand rather than official rankings.

Modifié par ChaosMorning, 17 décembre 2013 - 09:16 .

[MKDAWUSS]

I really need to get that novel one of these days...

[leaguer of one]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

I really need to get that novel one of these days...

It's very good.

[Silfren]

Beerfish wrote...

Silfren wrote...



I don't see how anyone could call Evangeline "love starved."  That's the most outlandishly ridiculous assessment of her character I've ever seen.  I'm not sure how Rhys comes across as selfish or wishy-washy, either, but to sum Evangeline up as a love-starved traitor is absurd.  She is an exemplary example of what the Templar Order is SUPPOSED to represent.

Quite easily really, she had no one in her life, it accurately paints that picture right off the bat about her and she falls for Rhys very easily.    lol, So you are saying that an exemplayr tempalr is one that helps apostate mages escape, steals or destorys phylactries and kills other templars that try and stop her.  Gotcha.

You don't actually have a f*cking clue what it means to be loved starved.  We NEVER see that Evangeline is lonely or desperate for affection.  As for having no one in her life...not having a romantic partner does NOT mean you have no one.  So no, it doesn't "accurately paint that picture right off the bat," and no, she doesn't fall in love with Rhys easily.

As for the other, Evangeline didn't do ANY of those things until after she was face with the fanaticism and corruption of Lambert.  Prior to that point we DO see that she believes in the Templar ideals of guarding against magical dangers AND protecting mages, and that it is her belief in what the templars are supposed to do that leads to her doubts and misgivings about the way it actually is.  If you can't see that, I guess you simply didn't read the first half of the book. 

Modifié par Silfren, 17 décembre 2013 - 09:57 .

[Martyr1777]

Honestly I find it hard to beleive they won't have more then one character from Asunder making an appearance in DAI, I mean the Templar-Mage War is one of the big points of the store and all the Asunder characters play a key role in that war, all except Cole. So I would be shocked if we didn't see at least Rhys, Evangeline, Lambert, and maybe Adrian pop up as NPC to converse with. But as far as the concept of an Asunder companion, I would love to see Cole as a party member. Would be great fun in dialoge and party banter, but also the only other REAL option for a companion would be Adrian and I can do without that hothead any where near my group.

[Beerfish]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Wasn't Leliana in Asunder?

She's another one on my hit list from that book. 

[leaguer of one]

Beerfish wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Wasn't Leliana in Asunder?

She's another one on my hit list from that book. 

But not Lambert or Adrian, the two people who are the cause of all the conflict in the book.

[Beerfish]

Silfren wrote...



You don't actually have a f*cking clue what it means to be loved starved.  We NEVER see that Evangeline is lonely or desperate for affection.  As for having no one in her life...not having a romantic partner does NOT mean you have no one.  So no, it doesn't "accurately paint that picture right off the bat," and no, she doesn't fall in love with Rhys easily.

As for the other, Evangeline didn't do ANY of those things until after she was face with the fanaticism and corruption of Lambert.  Prior to that point we DO see that she believes in the Templar ideals of guarding against magical dangers AND protecting mages, and that it is her belief in what the templars are supposed to do that leads to her doubts and misgivings about the way it actually is.  If you can't see that, I guess you simply didn't read the first half of the book. 

Since there is no 'book version' of love starved like many many many other terms in this world my interpretation is as good as yours in that regard.

As for part B, a very conveient excuse to toss away all her duties, all her morals every thing she has sworn to obey.  If she had merely run away with an apostate mage and his motely crew that included a demon possessed being it would be bad enough.  She used her knowledge of the templar order, she committed acts that were so totally against the code of the templars and what they stand for that it was an outright betrayl.

I would have liked to see the reactions of a few people on here if the rolls had been reversed.  If a mage fell for a templar, and had a major hand in the deaths of a large number of mages and the shackeling of many of the others.

Evangeline didn't do ANY of those things until she fell for Rhys.

[Beerfish]

leaguer of one wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Wasn't Leliana in Asunder?

She's another one on my hit list from that book. 

But not Lambert or Adrian, the two people who are the cause of all the conflict in the book.

They both had very very good reasons for doing what they were doing, life experiences shaped their views.  They held to their ideals from page one until the end and both were doing what they were doing not for personal gain.

The heros or protagonists in that book flopped back and forth on many topics as it suited them and were down right fools on a number of others.  Love them or hate them Lambert and Adrian held to principle even when it was going to negatively affect them.

The others were all looking out for number one.  Even though their character traits were 'nicer'.

[Lady Lionheart]

If Cole isn't in the game I will eat all my Dragon Age disks and then myself.

[Beerfish]

Xbox360Girl1321 wrote...

If Cole isn't in the game I will eat all my Dragon Age disks and then myself.

He is certainly the logical choice out of the whole group.

[Silfren]

Beerfish wrote...

Silfren wrote...



You don't actually have a f*cking clue what it means to be loved starved.  We NEVER see that Evangeline is lonely or desperate for affection.  As for having no one in her life...not having a romantic partner does NOT mean you have no one.  So no, it doesn't "accurately paint that picture right off the bat," and no, she doesn't fall in love with Rhys easily.

As for the other, Evangeline didn't do ANY of those things until after she was face with the fanaticism and corruption of Lambert.  Prior to that point we DO see that she believes in the Templar ideals of guarding against magical dangers AND protecting mages, and that it is her belief in what the templars are supposed to do that leads to her doubts and misgivings about the way it actually is.  If you can't see that, I guess you simply didn't read the first half of the book. 

Since there is no 'book version' of love starved like many many many other terms in this world my interpretation is as good as yours in that regard.

No, it's not.  There is no "book version" of anything, ever.  A book either provides textual evidence of something, or it doesn't, and there is zero evidence in Asunder of Evangeline being starved for love.

I'm starting to seriously question whether you read the same book the rest of us did. There's no clear indication in the book of precisely when Evangeline fell in love with Rhys, but we do see that she expresses moderate views of the Templar order, doubts and misgivings, and distaste for fanaticism, early on.

Modifié par Silfren, 17 décembre 2013 - 11:05 .

[Silfren]

Xbox360Girl1321 wrote...

If Cole isn't in the game I will eat all my Dragon Age disks and then myself.

I agree, but I'm not sure he'll be a Companion.

[leaguer of one]

Beerfish wrote...

Silfren wrote...



You don't actually have a f*cking clue what it means to be loved starved.  We NEVER see that Evangeline is lonely or desperate for affection.  As for having no one in her life...not having a romantic partner does NOT mean you have no one.  So no, it doesn't "accurately paint that picture right off the bat," and no, she doesn't fall in love with Rhys easily.

As for the other, Evangeline didn't do ANY of those things until after she was face with the fanaticism and corruption of Lambert.  Prior to that point we DO see that she believes in the Templar ideals of guarding against magical dangers AND protecting mages, and that it is her belief in what the templars are supposed to do that leads to her doubts and misgivings about the way it actually is.  If you can't see that, I guess you simply didn't read the first half of the book. 

Since there is no 'book version' of love starved like many many many other terms in this world my interpretation is as good as yours in that regard.

As for part B, a very conveient excuse to toss away all her duties, all her morals every thing she has sworn to obey.  If she had merely run away with an apostate mage and his motely crew that included a demon possessed being it would be bad enough.  She used her knowledge of the templar order, she committed acts that were so totally against the code of the templars and what they stand for that it was an outright betrayl.

I would have liked to see the reactions of a few people on here if the rolls had been reversed.  If a mage fell for a templar, and had a major hand in the deaths of a large number of mages and the shackeling of many of the others.

Evangeline didn't do ANY of those things until she fell for Rhys.

1. For loved starved, there are many book exampleds for it. She matched none of them.

2. For the last time,
"Templars are sworn to protect the world from the dangers of magic, but they also protect mages from the outside world"
http://dragonage.wik...ty_of_a_templar

That is a templers code and duty...
She did that.
 Her protecting the mages from an out of control Seeker is her doing her Job.

[Lady Lionheart]

@Silfren

I hope he is.

[MisterJB]

Beerfish wrote...
As for part B, a very conveient excuse to toss away all her duties, all her morals every thing she has sworn to obey.  If she had merely run away with an apostate mage and his motely crew that included a demon possessed being it would be bad enough.  She used her knowledge of the templar order, she committed acts that were so totally against the code of the templars and what they stand for that it was an outright betrayl.

I would have liked to see the reactions of a few people on here if the rolls had been reversed.  If a mage fell for a templar, and had a major hand in the deaths of a large number of mages and the shackeling of many of the others.

Evangeline didn't do ANY of those things until she fell for Rhys.

THANK YOU!
Finally, someone else who sees Evangeline for the treasonous, fickle, murderous, short-sigthed turncloak she is.

Modifié par MisterJB, 17 décembre 2013 - 11:13 .

[leaguer of one]

Beerfish wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Wasn't Leliana in Asunder?

She's another one on my hit list from that book. 

But not Lambert or Adrian, the two people who are the cause of all the conflict in the book.

They both had very very good reasons for doing what they were doing, life experiences shaped their views.  They held to their ideals from page one until the end and both were doing what they were doing not for personal gain.

The heros or protagonists in that book flopped back and forth on many topics as it suited them and were down right fools on a number of others.  Love them or hate them Lambert and Adrian held to principle even when it was going to negatively affect them.

The others were all looking out for number one.  Even though their character traits were 'nicer'.

No. They were extremist. Sorry but life experice is not an excuse to paint the world with one brush. With Lambert, no one in the circle was a blood mage or thinking of being one. With Adriana, there better ways for her to get mages to be free outside of tricking the templar to fight them and framing her best friend. They made thing world with their one sided nature.
And no the other characters where not looking out for number one. How could they when Rhys was putting himself in danger to save Cole,Wynne brought her son on her mission to save him and Evavangiline time and time again protected the mages in the story.

How can they be selfish when most of there actions are driven by the want to protect others?

[Master Warder Z_]

ChaosMorning wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

...I wonder if Cole could have possessed Lambert somehow, if he survived...

Don't quite see how else he could have gotten out of that.

Do you not recall how he basically dispelled cole earlier in the book with a mere utterance?

That demon cannot stand against the Litany obviously and Lambert had the thing memorized.

He doesn't even need his sword or armor he can cast the whelp back into the fade and by the time he is capable of returning i doubt he would find Lambert in that position again.

But that said if Lambert defeated Cole then where has he been for those months? I do believe that is the fifty Sovereign question.

I had this theory that he could have been made invisible as well - or perhaps somehow pulled into the Fade. I don't even know where that idea came from, but yeah...

Well that also raises the question that if Cole defeated Lambert, where has he been? Chilling downstairs in the White Spire again? Hah, maybe we'll investigate the White Spire and meet him there or something.

I just hope that Lambert isn't cast aside like the Illusive man was in ME.

The character has far to much potential to merely be shoved into a corner after just one appearence in the universe.

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

Beerfish wrote...
As for part B, a very conveient excuse to toss away all her duties, all her morals every thing she has sworn to obey.  If she had merely run away with an apostate mage and his motely crew that included a demon possessed being it would be bad enough.  She used her knowledge of the templar order, she committed acts that were so totally against the code of the templars and what they stand for that it was an outright betrayl.

I would have liked to see the reactions of a few people on here if the rolls had been reversed.  If a mage fell for a templar, and had a major hand in the deaths of a large number of mages and the shackeling of many of the others.

Evangeline didn't do ANY of those things until she fell for Rhys.

THANK YOU!
Finally, someone else who sees Evangeline for the treasonous, fickle, murderous, short-sigthed turncloak she is.

HA. HA. HA. Evangeline's awesome. Sooner or later, you shall see the light.:innocent: