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[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

Xbox360Girl1321 wrote...

If Cole isn't in the game I will eat all my Dragon Age disks and then myself.

I agree, but I'm not sure he'll be a Companion.

Ok. Hang on. Did they say someone from Asunder would be a companion, or just be in the game as a cameo? Cause if it is the latter, then the possible suspects just increased exponentially.

[Master Warder Z_]

MisterJB wrote...

Beerfish wrote...
As for part B, a very conveient excuse to toss away all her duties, all her morals every thing she has sworn to obey.  If she had merely run away with an apostate mage and his motely crew that included a demon possessed being it would be bad enough.  She used her knowledge of the templar order, she committed acts that were so totally against the code of the templars and what they stand for that it was an outright betrayl.

I would have liked to see the reactions of a few people on here if the rolls had been reversed.  If a mage fell for a templar, and had a major hand in the deaths of a large number of mages and the shackeling of many of the others.

Evangeline didn't do ANY of those things until she fell for Rhys.

THANK YOU!
Finally, someone else who sees Evangeline for the treasonous, fickle, murderous, short-sigthed turncloak she is.

Damn straight she is, hope we get to bring her to justice in DAI.

[leaguer of one]

MisterJB wrote...

Beerfish wrote...
As for part B, a very conveient excuse to toss away all her duties, all her morals every thing she has sworn to obey.  If she had merely run away with an apostate mage and his motely crew that included a demon possessed being it would be bad enough.  She used her knowledge of the templar order, she committed acts that were so totally against the code of the templars and what they stand for that it was an outright betrayl.

I would have liked to see the reactions of a few people on here if the rolls had been reversed.  If a mage fell for a templar, and had a major hand in the deaths of a large number of mages and the shackeling of many of the others.

Evangeline didn't do ANY of those things until she fell for Rhys.

THANK YOU!
Finally, someone else who sees Evangeline for the treasonous, fickle, murderous, short-sigthed turncloak she is.

Look everyone. Another person who does not understand that a templars Job is also to protect mages from ones who want to do harm to them wrongly and takes issues when Templars do there job correctly and not just bead mages all day.

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

ChaosMorning wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

...I wonder if Cole could have possessed Lambert somehow, if he survived...

Don't quite see how else he could have gotten out of that.

Do you not recall how he basically dispelled cole earlier in the book with a mere utterance?

That demon cannot stand against the Litany obviously and Lambert had the thing memorized.

He doesn't even need his sword or armor he can cast the whelp back into the fade and by the time he is capable of returning i doubt he would find Lambert in that position again.

But that said if Lambert defeated Cole then where has he been for those months? I do believe that is the fifty Sovereign question.

I had this theory that he could have been made invisible as well - or perhaps somehow pulled into the Fade. I don't even know where that idea came from, but yeah...

Well that also raises the question that if Cole defeated Lambert, where has he been? Chilling downstairs in the White Spire again? Hah, maybe we'll investigate the White Spire and meet him there or something.

I just hope that Lambert isn't cast aside like the Illusive man was in ME.

The character has far to much potential to merely be shoved into a corner after just one appearence in the universe.

A person who messing with reaper tech and get indoctrinated is some how bad and a surprise. Next you'll tell me bears crapping in the woods is unexpected.

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Beerfish wrote...
As for part B, a very conveient excuse to toss away all her duties, all her morals every thing she has sworn to obey.  If she had merely run away with an apostate mage and his motely crew that included a demon possessed being it would be bad enough.  She used her knowledge of the templar order, she committed acts that were so totally against the code of the templars and what they stand for that it was an outright betrayl.

I would have liked to see the reactions of a few people on here if the rolls had been reversed.  If a mage fell for a templar, and had a major hand in the deaths of a large number of mages and the shackeling of many of the others.

Evangeline didn't do ANY of those things until she fell for Rhys.

THANK YOU!
Finally, someone else who sees Evangeline for the treasonous, fickle, murderous, short-sigthed turncloak she is.

Look everyone. Another person who does not understand that a templars Job is also to protect mages from ones who want to do harm to them wrongly and takes issues when Templars do there job correctly and not just bead mages all day.

The duty entrusted to the templars to protect mages is secondary to protecting thedas from the threat of magic.

And furthermore she is an oath breaker and a traitor.

This similar to the agrument i had regarding Colonel Stauffenberg a while back with a freind.

You can disagree with a regime and the ruler in power all you want but when you swear an oath of loyality to said man and country, you are expected to follow it, using your position to close into said leader and attempt assasination is a betrayal of a sacred trust.

And Evangeline's actions not only cost templars their lives it also let loose scores of mages upon the world.

She is a traitor worthy only of a noose and a shallow grave.

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

ChaosMorning wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

...I wonder if Cole could have possessed Lambert somehow, if he survived...

Don't quite see how else he could have gotten out of that.

Do you not recall how he basically dispelled cole earlier in the book with a mere utterance?

That demon cannot stand against the Litany obviously and Lambert had the thing memorized.

He doesn't even need his sword or armor he can cast the whelp back into the fade and by the time he is capable of returning i doubt he would find Lambert in that position again.

But that said if Lambert defeated Cole then where has he been for those months? I do believe that is the fifty Sovereign question.

I had this theory that he could have been made invisible as well - or perhaps somehow pulled into the Fade. I don't even know where that idea came from, but yeah...

Well that also raises the question that if Cole defeated Lambert, where has he been? Chilling downstairs in the White Spire again? Hah, maybe we'll investigate the White Spire and meet him there or something.

I just hope that Lambert isn't cast aside like the Illusive man was in ME.

The character has far to much potential to merely be shoved into a corner after just one appearence in the universe.

A person who messing with reaper tech and get indoctrinated is some how bad and a surprise. Next you'll tell me bears crapping in the woods is unexpected.

When the same doesn't apply to Shepard it sort of becomes a point of agrument espeically considering how said event transpired and Bioware went about it.

The event and how it was protrayed was hardly a seemingless transaction or ideal but you can project your opinion as much as you want, it really doesn't bother me.

Anyway this is AU speak and therefore off topic.

[Reaverwind]

Argahawk wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Don't want cole.

same here, cole were so annoying in Asunder and hope to not see him as companion in DAI

Agreed, I really don't want to see another fade spirit / thing as a companion. 

[Steelcan]

I take it many Templar supporters are not a fan of Thoreau's(?sp) Civil Disobedience

[Hellion Rex]

Master Warder Z wrote...

The duty entrusted to the templars to protect mages is secondary to protecting thedas from the threat of magic.

And furthermore she is an oath breaker and a traitor.

This similar to the agrument i had regarding Colonel Stauffenberg a while back with a freind.

You can disagree with a regime and the ruler in power all you want but when you swear an oath of loyality to said man and country, you are expected to follow it, using your position to close into said leader and attempt assasination is a betrayal of a sacred trust.

And Evangeline's actions not only cost templars their lives it also let loose scores of mages upon the world.

She is a traitor worthy only of a noose and a shallow grave.

Evangeline did nothing but do her duty. Lambert's the one who deserved the noose for disrespecting the Divine, his boss.

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...Evangeline's awesome. Sooner or later, you shall see the light.:innocent:

She'll be the one seeing the light. At the end of the tunnel.
And then she'll realize those are flames.

[sandalisthemaker]

MasterScribe wrote...

Xbox360Girl1321 wrote...

If Cole isn't in the game I will eat all my Dragon Age disks and then myself.

I'm very intrigued by this. :innocent:

Ew...

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...Evangeline's awesome. Sooner or later, you shall see the light.:innocent:

She'll be the one seeing the light. At the end of the tunnel.
And then she'll realize those are flames.

So harsh, my friend. Lambert too will see the light, when I BBQ his ass with a fireball. :innocent:

[Hellion Rex]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

Xbox360Girl1321 wrote...

If Cole isn't in the game I will eat all my Dragon Age disks and then myself.

I'm very intrigued by this. :innocent:

Ew...

[Master Warder Z_]

eluvianix wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

The duty entrusted to the templars to protect mages is secondary to protecting thedas from the threat of magic.

And furthermore she is an oath breaker and a traitor.

This similar to the agrument i had regarding Colonel Stauffenberg a while back with a freind.

You can disagree with a regime and the ruler in power all you want but when you swear an oath of loyality to said man and country, you are expected to follow it, using your position to close into said leader and attempt assasination is a betrayal of a sacred trust.

And Evangeline's actions not only cost templars their lives it also let loose scores of mages upon the world.

She is a traitor worthy only of a noose and a shallow grave.

Evangeline did nothing but do her duty. Lambert's the one who deserved the noose for disrespecting the Divine, his boss.

*Spits on the Divines Slippers*

I am of the mind of Lambert.

Lady isn't fit to sit on the sun burst throne if she is aiding the rebellion and plunging the world into chaos on a whim.

If she had tried to attempt circle reform with out assisting the mages in their war i might have said lambert went a bit far in disolving the accord but as far as i am concered?

That man only had the resolve to break an agreement with a chantry to divided to stand up to a corrupt leader.

As petrice said Schism is coming and hopefully at the end of it we end up with a proper divine eh?

[Master Warder Z_]

eluvianix wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...Evangeline's awesome. Sooner or later, you shall see the light.:innocent:

She'll be the one seeing the light. At the end of the tunnel.
And then she'll realize those are flames.

So harsh, my friend. Lambert too will see the light, when I BBQ his ass with a fireball. :innocent:

...Didn't work too well in the book but i would be surprised if he wasn't an antagonist for the mage faction followers during the game assuming he is present.

Probably going to pop up as an elite boss or some such.

[leaguer of one]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...Evangeline's awesome. Sooner or later, you shall see the light.:innocent:

She'll be the one seeing the light. At the end of the tunnel.
And then she'll realize those are flames.

Again, Templar are to protect the world from magic and protect the mages from the world.

Now you're still not getting that she did her job. Being that she protect circle mages who are not blood mages and are not trying to leave the circle from a Templar Seeker who came in to break head because of his own baseless fears and assertions, how can you not see it as her doing her Job, even mores when the divine told her to protrct these mages?

[Spectre slayer]

eluvianix wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Xbox360Girl1321 wrote...

If Cole isn't in the game I will eat all my Dragon Age disks and then myself.

I agree, but I'm not sure he'll be a Companion.

Ok. Hang on. Did they say someone from Asunder would be a companion, or just be in the game as a cameo? Cause if it is the latter, then the possible suspects just increased exponentially.

Neither, all they said was at least one character from Asunder will be in DAI. They didn't say anything about their possible role and haven't said there will only be just one character from the book, to be more specific Gaider said that's all they were going to tell us so more will probably be in the game.


Whether Cole is a companion or not if he's in the game is another matter, since Gaider said not everyone in the survey is companion, so we'll just have to wait and see what they will do with him though i'm not to fond of the idea he might be a companion but luckily we don't have to recruit everyone.

[Plaintiff]

Master Warder Z wrote...
You can disagree with a regime and the ruler in power all you want but when you swear an oath of loyality to said man and country, you are expected to follow it, using your position to close into said leader and attempt assasination is a betrayal of a sacred trust.

Lol. Betraying fascist murderers is worse than maintaining your oath to support them?

And Evangeline's actions not only cost templars their lives it also let loose scores of mages upon the world.

Good.

She is a traitor worthy only of a noose and a shallow grave.

Just like the participants of the July 20 plot, right?

Do you watch Operation Valkyrie and cheer when Tom Cruise fails to assassinate Hitler because "THAT'S WHAT YOU DESERVE FOR BREAKING AN OATH, YOU FICKLE DOUCHEBAG! I HOPE YOU DIE!"

Modifié par Plaintiff, 17 décembre 2013 - 11:46 .

[Reaverwind]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...Evangeline's awesome. Sooner or later, you shall see the light.:innocent:

She'll be the one seeing the light. At the end of the tunnel.
And then she'll realize those are flames.

The only light she's going to be seeing are the flames from her pyre. 

[Hellion Rex]

Master Warder Z wrote...

...Didn't work too well in the book but i would be surprised if he wasn't an antagonist for the mage faction followers during the game assuming he is present.

Probably going to pop up as an elite boss or some such.

Something happened to both him and Cole. Considering he's MIA, I think Cole did something to him.

[Steelcan]

I thought Lambert was heavily implied to be dead

[Hellion Rex]

Steelcan wrote...

I thought Lambert was heavily implied to be dead

World of Thedas specifically listed him as MIA, not dead.

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...
Evangeline did nothing but do her duty.

Evangeline's duty is to protect Thedas from magic.
Will Evangeline, by herself, be capable of preventing every single mage no longer in a Circle from harming others? Of course not, that's impossible.
Therefore, she failed in her duties; worse, she activelly aided in granting these mages the freedom to do whatever they please to the people of Thedas and killed her sworn brothers and sister sin arms in the process.
Once again, the people of Thedas are sold to the mages and this time, Maferath is a woman.

[Master Warder Z_]

Steelcan wrote...

I thought Lambert was heavily implied to be dead

Eh thats only speculation provided by the world of thedas which i personally view as canon but given that there is literally NOTHING implied beyond him being missing and presumed dead.

Likely by Seeker or Templar orders themselves literally anything could have happened him just about.

Although i do have a feeling in my gut, man isn't dead people of devotion like that don't just disapear.