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[Br3admax]

Hence the use of the word "implied."

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

The duty entrusted to the templars to protect mages is secondary to protecting thedas from the threat of magic.

And furthermore she is an oath breaker and a traitor.

This similar to the agrument i had regarding Colonel Stauffenberg a while back with a freind.

You can disagree with a regime and the ruler in power all you want but when you swear an oath of loyality to said man and country, you are expected to follow it, using your position to close into said leader and attempt assasination is a betrayal of a sacred trust.

And Evangeline's actions not only cost templars their lives it also let loose scores of mages upon the world.

She is a traitor worthy only of a noose and a shallow grave.

Evangeline did nothing but do her duty. Lambert's the one who deserved the noose for disrespecting the Divine, his boss.

*Spits on the Divines Slippers*

I am of the mind of Lambert.

Lady isn't fit to sit on the sun burst throne if she is aiding the rebellion and plunging the world into chaos on a whim.

If she had tried to attempt circle reform with out assisting the mages in their war i might have said lambert went a bit far in disolving the accord but as far as i am concered?

That man only had the resolve to break an agreement with a chantry to divided to stand up to a corrupt leader.

As petrice said Schism is coming and hopefully at the end of it we end up with a proper divine eh?

Corrupt? how is she corrupt? Do you understand that they would not be  a mage rebelion had he not no tried to impose his form of order and disobayed the divine.  The man push the mages to fight back and some how it's the divines fault for taking steps to protect them?
She tell him to do one thing and he disobeys, orders all the templars in the white spire to jail all the mage and when she takes step to undo it...She's the bad guy?

How does that makes sense?

[Master Warder Z_]

eluvianix wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

...Didn't work too well in the book but i would be surprised if he wasn't an antagonist for the mage faction followers during the game assuming he is present.

Probably going to pop up as an elite boss or some such.

Something happened to both him and Cole. Considering he's MIA, I think Cole did something to him.

Possible but again just about anything could have occured, he could be stuck in a plane of the Fade for all we know.

[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

Hence the use of the word "implied."

In all honesty, although I hated his guts, I sympathized with his character. I would be interested in seeing him return in DAI, and see his story and characterization continue.

Modifié par eluvianix, 17 décembre 2013 - 11:52 .

[Hellion Rex]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Possible but again just about anything could have occured, he could be stuck in a plane of the Fade for all we know.

They had to have made him MIA for a reason, rather than just say he's dead. I would really be interested to see his story plays out.

Modifié par eluvianix, 17 décembre 2013 - 11:54 .

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

The duty entrusted to the templars to protect mages is secondary to protecting thedas from the threat of magic.

And furthermore she is an oath breaker and a traitor.

This similar to the agrument i had regarding Colonel Stauffenberg a while back with a freind.

You can disagree with a regime and the ruler in power all you want but when you swear an oath of loyality to said man and country, you are expected to follow it, using your position to close into said leader and attempt assasination is a betrayal of a sacred trust.

And Evangeline's actions not only cost templars their lives it also let loose scores of mages upon the world.

She is a traitor worthy only of a noose and a shallow grave.

Evangeline did nothing but do her duty. Lambert's the one who deserved the noose for disrespecting the Divine, his boss.

*Spits on the Divines Slippers*

I am of the mind of Lambert.

Lady isn't fit to sit on the sun burst throne if she is aiding the rebellion and plunging the world into chaos on a whim.

If she had tried to attempt circle reform with out assisting the mages in their war i might have said lambert went a bit far in disolving the accord but as far as i am concered?

That man only had the resolve to break an agreement with a chantry to divided to stand up to a corrupt leader.

As petrice said Schism is coming and hopefully at the end of it we end up with a proper divine eh?

Corrupt? how is she corrupt? Do you understand that they would not be  a mage rebelion had he not no tried to impose his form of order and disobayed the divine.  The man push the mages to fight back and some how it's the divines fault for taking steps to protect them?
She tell him to do one thing and he disobeys, orders all the templars in the white spire to jail all the mage and when she takes step to undo it...She's the bad guy?

How does that makes sense?

When she intereferes with a duty that predates the founding of the chantry, when she intereferes with a duty that goes back to the ancient era.

Yes she is the antagonist, By aiding those mages she not only interefered with both the Seeker and Templar orders in their duties to guard mankind from magic she also enabled them to wage war upon the world.

Furthermore you clearly need to reread Asunder considering that it was a mage that lit the spark that ignited the powder keg and set the world ablaze.

She murdered the tranquil, not Lambert.

[sandalisthemaker]

eluvianix wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

...Didn't work too well in the book but i would be surprised if he wasn't an antagonist for the mage faction followers during the game assuming he is present.

Probably going to pop up as an elite boss or some such.

Something happened to both him and Cole. Considering he's MIA, I think Cole did something to him.

Possible but again just about anything could have occured, he could be stuck in a plane of the Fade for all we know.

They had to have made him MIA for a reason, rather than just say he's dead. I would really be interested to see his story plays out.

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he ends up being a sub-boss later in the game, having been twisted into a massive monstrosity even bigger and badder than those red-lyrium-templar-creatures.

[leaguer of one]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Evangeline did nothing but do her duty.

Evangeline's duty is to protect Thedas from magic.
Will Evangeline, by herself, be capable of preventing every single mage no longer in a Circle from harming others? Of course not, that's impossible.
Therefore, she failed in her duties; worse, she activelly aided in granting these mages the freedom to do whatever they please to the people of Thedas and killed her sworn brothers and sister sin arms in the process.
Once again, the people of Thedas are sold to the mages and this time, Maferath is a woman.

For the last time...

"Templars are sworn to protect the world from the dangers of magic, but they also protect mages from the outside world"

http://dragonage.wik...ty_of_a_templar
^That the templars duty..

It's to both to protect the world from magic and to protect mages. And If you had not notice, none of the mages would have escaped the circle If Lambert did not stand down and listen to the Divines orders. His disobediance is more of the cause to the dissorder then Evangelines fallowing the Divines orders by 10 fold. Sorry but Lambert is the problem here. Engeline was doing her job.

[Hellion Rex]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he ends up being a sub-boss later in the game, having been twisted into a massive monstrosity even bigger and badder than those red-lyrium-templar-creatures.

But what in the world did Cole do him? Did he just teleport him to the Fade or something, so he would disappear?

[Plaintiff]

Master Warder Z wrote...
When she intereferes with a duty that predates the founding of the chantry, when she intereferes with a duty that goes back to the ancient era.

Lol again. "If a tradition dates back to ancient times, it's unequivocally good!"

Let's reintroduce slavery, and force people to fight to the death in arenas for our amusement, and punish criminals with crucifixion, and segregate the races, and kill women for having pre-marital sex, and kill homosexuals for having any sex at all.

These are all ancient duties.

Yes she is the antagonist, By aiding those mages she not only interefered with both the Seeker and Templar orders in their duties to guard mankind from magic she also enabled them to wage war upon the world.

I didn't realise gangrapes, unjust imprisonments, child murder and genocide were all instrumental to the performance of their duty.

Furthermore you clearly need to reread Asunder considering that it was a mage that lit the spark that ignited the powder keg and set the world ablaze.

Except not. The mages separated from the Chantry peacefully, and they would be minding their own business right now if Lambert hadn't opted to aggressively pursue them.

She murdered the tranquil, not Lambert.

Pharamond wasn't "tranquil" when he was killed. He begged for death, and Adrian helped him. Her actions in that moment were purely good.

[sandalisthemaker]

eluvianix wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he ends up being a sub-boss later in the game, having been twisted into a massive monstrosity even bigger and badder than those red-lyrium-templar-creatures.

But what in the world did Cole do him? Did he just teleport him to the Fade or something, so he would disappear?

Oh yeah that...
My first reaction to the fact that he is "missing" was that Cole possessed him, but I really don't see why Cole would do that. Cole seems far too simplistic and concerned with himself to...I don't know hatch a plan to sabotage the Templar/Seekers by possessing their leader. 

[Face of Evil]

Plaintiff wrote...

Pharamond wasn't "tranquil" when he was killed. He begged for death, and Adrian helped him. Her actions in that moment were purely good.

How about pinning the murder on her best friend? Was that purely good?

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Evangeline did nothing but do her duty.

Evangeline's duty is to protect Thedas from magic.
Will Evangeline, by herself, be capable of preventing every single mage no longer in a Circle from harming others? Of course not, that's impossible.
Therefore, she failed in her duties; worse, she activelly aided in granting these mages the freedom to do whatever they please to the people of Thedas and killed her sworn brothers and sister sin arms in the process.
Once again, the people of Thedas are sold to the mages and this time, Maferath is a woman.

For the last time...

"Templars are sworn to protect the world from the dangers of magic, but they also protect mages from the outside world"

http://dragonage.wik...ty_of_a_templar
^That the templars duty..

It's to both to protect the world from magic and to protect mages. And If you had not notice, none of the mages would have escaped the circle If Lambert did not stand down and listen to the Divines orders. His disobediance is more of the cause to the dissorder then Evangelines fallowing the Divines orders by 10 fold. Sorry but Lambert is the problem here. Engeline was doing her job.

She abandoned her order, her comrades and her commanding officer and you label that "following orders" Hrm? 

The moment Justina set the mages free from the White Spire her orders became invalid because she was no longer fit for command of the Templars, Furthermore Lord Seeker Lambert was well within his rights to annul the accord considering he is the head of the Seeker Order.

And again reread Asunder.

The mage murdering the tranquil and pinning it on the Templars is what kicked off the war, a Mage started the war you really should read the book its quite clear on that point.

[Plaintiff]

Face of Evil wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Pharamond wasn't "tranquil" when he was killed. He begged for death, and Adrian helped him. Her actions in that moment were purely good.

How about pinning the murder on her best friend? Was that purely good?

Perhaps not, but Lambert is responsible for his own crappy detective skills.

[sandalisthemaker]

Ah Pharamond....
I couldn't bring myself to feel anything but annoyance towards that character. Lulz

[Plaintiff]

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Evangeline did nothing but do her duty.

Evangeline's duty is to protect Thedas from magic.
Will Evangeline, by herself, be capable of preventing every single mage no longer in a Circle from harming others? Of course not, that's impossible.
Therefore, she failed in her duties; worse, she activelly aided in granting these mages the freedom to do whatever they please to the people of Thedas and killed her sworn brothers and sister sin arms in the process.
Once again, the people of Thedas are sold to the mages and this time, Maferath is a woman.

For the last time...

"Templars are sworn to protect the world from the dangers of magic, but they also protect mages from the outside world"

http://dragonage.wik...ty_of_a_templar
^That the templars duty..

It's to both to protect the world from magic and to protect mages. And If you had not notice, none of the mages would have escaped the circle If Lambert did not stand down and listen to the Divines orders. His disobediance is more of the cause to the dissorder then Evangelines fallowing the Divines orders by 10 fold. Sorry but Lambert is the problem here. Engeline was doing her job.

She abandoned her order, her comrades and her commanding officer and you label that "following orders" Hrm? 

The moment Justina set the mages free from the White Spire her orders became invalid because she was no longer fit for command of the Templars, Furthermore Lord Seeker Lambert was well within his rights to annul the accord considering he is the head of the Seeker Order.

And again reread Asunder.

The mage murdering the tranquil and pinning it on the Templars is what kicked off the war, a Mage started the war you really should read the book its quite clear on that point.

Derp. How dare the Divine try to prevent outright war.

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

The duty entrusted to the templars to protect mages is secondary to protecting thedas from the threat of magic.

And furthermore she is an oath breaker and a traitor.

This similar to the agrument i had regarding Colonel Stauffenberg a while back with a freind.

You can disagree with a regime and the ruler in power all you want but when you swear an oath of loyality to said man and country, you are expected to follow it, using your position to close into said leader and attempt assasination is a betrayal of a sacred trust.

And Evangeline's actions not only cost templars their lives it also let loose scores of mages upon the world.

She is a traitor worthy only of a noose and a shallow grave.

Evangeline did nothing but do her duty. Lambert's the one who deserved the noose for disrespecting the Divine, his boss.

*Spits on the Divines Slippers*

I am of the mind of Lambert.

Lady isn't fit to sit on the sun burst throne if she is aiding the rebellion and plunging the world into chaos on a whim.

If she had tried to attempt circle reform with out assisting the mages in their war i might have said lambert went a bit far in disolving the accord but as far as i am concered?

That man only had the resolve to break an agreement with a chantry to divided to stand up to a corrupt leader.

As petrice said Schism is coming and hopefully at the end of it we end up with a proper divine eh?

Corrupt? how is she corrupt? Do you understand that they would not be  a mage rebelion had he not no tried to impose his form of order and disobayed the divine.  The man push the mages to fight back and some how it's the divines fault for taking steps to protect them?
She tell him to do one thing and he disobeys, orders all the templars in the white spire to jail all the mage and when she takes step to undo it...She's the bad guy?

How does that makes sense?

When she intereferes with a duty that predates the founding of the chantry, when she intereferes with a duty that goes back to the ancient era.

Yes she is the antagonist, By aiding those mages she not only interefered with both the Seeker and Templar orders in their duties to guard mankind from magic she also enabled them to wage war upon the world.

Furthermore you clearly need to reread Asunder considering that it was a mage that lit the spark that ignited the powder keg and set the world ablaze.

She murdered the tranquil, not Lambert.

Bs. Nothing on how things were done before the chantry matters. What matter here is the laws and practaces used now. And even then those practaces before the charty were long forgotten and did not have the mages placed maditoraly in a circle. The divine told Lambert to stand down, he disobayed and puch the mages to rebel to protect themselves well after the chantry gave the mages the ok to have the conclave. 

And I does not matter who kill The tranquil, nothing justifies the action of Lambert afterwords.

How can you say Lambert was in the right when not on mage at the conclave was a bloodmage or an apostate and the chantry gave them the ok to asseble?

[Master Warder Z_]

Plaintiff wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
When she intereferes with a duty that predates the founding of the chantry, when she intereferes with a duty that goes back to the ancient era.

Lol again. "If a tradition dates back to ancient times, it's unequivocally good!"

Let's reintroduce slavery, and force people to fight to the death in arenas for our amusement, and punish criminals with crucifixion, and segregate the races, and kill women for having pre-marital sex, and kill homosexuals for having any sex at all.

These are all ancient duties.

Yes she is the antagonist, By aiding those mages she not only interefered with both the Seeker and Templar orders in their duties to guard mankind from magic she also enabled them to wage war upon the world.

I didn't realise gangrapes, unjust imprisonments, child murder and genocide were all instrumental to the performance of their duty.

Furthermore you clearly need to reread Asunder considering that it was a mage that lit the spark that ignited the powder keg and set the world ablaze.

Except not. The mages separated from the Chantry peacefully, and they would be minding their own business right now if Lambert hadn't opted to aggressively pursue them.

She murdered the tranquil, not Lambert.

Pharamond wasn't "tranquil" when he was killed. He begged for death, and Adrian helped him. Her actions in that moment were purely good.

Again bringing Modern Morality and social societial values into Thedas eh?

And i really don't have the energy to debate that killing the tranquil and then pinning it on Her freind whom the templars would suspect and thus using that as justification to pick a fight so her and that moronic elfs war could begin was not morally just in the least.

And i would agrue that the Templars and thus the Seeker Tradiation which stood as a baliwark against magic for normal people since the time of the original exalted march truely is something of good, if you agrue that point i suppose that would be your own opinion.

[sandalisthemaker]

I'm hoping for Rhys, Evangeline, and/or Lambert to make an appearance.

Cole? No just no.

[Master Warder Z_]

Plaintiff wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Evangeline did nothing but do her duty.

Evangeline's duty is to protect Thedas from magic.
Will Evangeline, by herself, be capable of preventing every single mage no longer in a Circle from harming others? Of course not, that's impossible.
Therefore, she failed in her duties; worse, she activelly aided in granting these mages the freedom to do whatever they please to the people of Thedas and killed her sworn brothers and sister sin arms in the process.
Once again, the people of Thedas are sold to the mages and this time, Maferath is a woman.

For the last time...

"Templars are sworn to protect the world from the dangers of magic, but they also protect mages from the outside world"

http://dragonage.wik...ty_of_a_templar
^That the templars duty..

It's to both to protect the world from magic and to protect mages. And If you had not notice, none of the mages would have escaped the circle If Lambert did not stand down and listen to the Divines orders. His disobediance is more of the cause to the dissorder then Evangelines fallowing the Divines orders by 10 fold. Sorry but Lambert is the problem here. Engeline was doing her job.

She abandoned her order, her comrades and her commanding officer and you label that "following orders" Hrm? 

The moment Justina set the mages free from the White Spire her orders became invalid because she was no longer fit for command of the Templars, Furthermore Lord Seeker Lambert was well within his rights to annul the accord considering he is the head of the Seeker Order.

And again reread Asunder.

The mage murdering the tranquil and pinning it on the Templars is what kicked off the war, a Mage started the war you really should read the book its quite clear on that point.

Derp. How dare the Divine try to prevent outright war.

Yes by letting them flee from Templar strongpoints and allowing them to gain fortified positions and garner public support.

:/ Seriously dude if you even realized how...simple that statement sounded when you compare it to BASIC military concepts you would see how the Divine did nothing but allow the mages to WAGE war.

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Evangeline did nothing but do her duty.

Evangeline's duty is to protect Thedas from magic.
Will Evangeline, by herself, be capable of preventing every single mage no longer in a Circle from harming others? Of course not, that's impossible.
Therefore, she failed in her duties; worse, she activelly aided in granting these mages the freedom to do whatever they please to the people of Thedas and killed her sworn brothers and sister sin arms in the process.
Once again, the people of Thedas are sold to the mages and this time, Maferath is a woman.

For the last time...

"Templars are sworn to protect the world from the dangers of magic, but they also protect mages from the outside world"

http://dragonage.wik...ty_of_a_templar
^That the templars duty..

It's to both to protect the world from magic and to protect mages. And If you had not notice, none of the mages would have escaped the circle If Lambert did not stand down and listen to the Divines orders. His disobediance is more of the cause to the dissorder then Evangelines fallowing the Divines orders by 10 fold. Sorry but Lambert is the problem here. Engeline was doing her job.

She abandoned her order, her comrades and her commanding officer and you label that "following orders" Hrm? 

The moment Justina set the mages free from the White Spire her orders became invalid because she was no longer fit for command of the Templars, Furthermore Lord Seeker Lambert was well within his rights to annul the accord considering he is the head of the Seeker Order.

And again reread Asunder.

The mage murdering the tranquil and pinning it on the Templars is what kicked off the war, a Mage started the war you really should read the book its quite clear on that point.

Her duty is not to say by her order, comrades and commading officer...

This is her duty...
"Templars are sworn to protect the world from the dangers of magic, but they also protect mages from the outside world"

"http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Templar_Order#Duty_of_a_templar

If her order,comrades and commading officer goes ageinst the duties of a templar then its a templars job to stop them and also to do her duty.

You saying this is like say it's ok to direguard the law as a cop because you partner, your department and commading office is also doing this.

Sorry but that clearly is bs.

 A templars duty is to protect the world from the dangers of magic, but they also protect mages from the outside world. Labert disobeyed the latter part of the duties of the templars. Enangline fallowed both parts of it. Yet some how she lableed as a traitor who turned her back on everything a templar stands for....Is that being a corrupt offical the imposes their will of order on other and disreguards the right of these people?

[BlueMagitek]

Hopefully that one guy shows up.

You know, that guy that people like? That'd be cool.

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

The duty entrusted to the templars to protect mages is secondary to protecting thedas from the threat of magic.

And furthermore she is an oath breaker and a traitor.

This similar to the agrument i had regarding Colonel Stauffenberg a while back with a freind.

You can disagree with a regime and the ruler in power all you want but when you swear an oath of loyality to said man and country, you are expected to follow it, using your position to close into said leader and attempt assasination is a betrayal of a sacred trust.

And Evangeline's actions not only cost templars their lives it also let loose scores of mages upon the world.

She is a traitor worthy only of a noose and a shallow grave.

Evangeline did nothing but do her duty. Lambert's the one who deserved the noose for disrespecting the Divine, his boss.

*Spits on the Divines Slippers*

I am of the mind of Lambert.

Lady isn't fit to sit on the sun burst throne if she is aiding the rebellion and plunging the world into chaos on a whim.

If she had tried to attempt circle reform with out assisting the mages in their war i might have said lambert went a bit far in disolving the accord but as far as i am concered?

That man only had the resolve to break an agreement with a chantry to divided to stand up to a corrupt leader.

As petrice said Schism is coming and hopefully at the end of it we end up with a proper divine eh?

Corrupt? how is she corrupt? Do you understand that they would not be  a mage rebelion had he not no tried to impose his form of order and disobayed the divine.  The man push the mages to fight back and some how it's the divines fault for taking steps to protect them?
She tell him to do one thing and he disobeys, orders all the templars in the white spire to jail all the mage and when she takes step to undo it...She's the bad guy?

How does that makes sense?

When she intereferes with a duty that predates the founding of the chantry, when she intereferes with a duty that goes back to the ancient era.

Yes she is the antagonist, By aiding those mages she not only interefered with both the Seeker and Templar orders in their duties to guard mankind from magic she also enabled them to wage war upon the world.

Furthermore you clearly need to reread Asunder considering that it was a mage that lit the spark that ignited the powder keg and set the world ablaze.

She murdered the tranquil, not Lambert.

Bs. Nothing on how things were done before the chantry matters. What matter here is the laws and practaces used now. And even then those practaces before the charty were long forgotten and did not have the mages placed maditoraly in a circle. The divine told Lambert to stand down, he disobayed and puch the mages to rebel to protect themselves well after the chantry gave the mages the ok to have the conclave. 

And I does not matter who kill The tranquil, nothing justifies the action of Lambert afterwords.

How can you say Lambert was in the right when not on mage at the conclave was a bloodmage or an apostate and the chantry gave them the ok to asseble?

Thedas is a world of tradition, look at the Imperium, Fereldan, Orlais. You have these cultures and nations extending to before the first blight and relatively little has changed except dynasties.

Oh yes cracking down on mages who gather to discuss one thing and then are caught trying to seccede from the Chantry AGAIN. after murdering a templar asset in custody.

Seriously if you stopped being so "Derp Templars are evil" from a minute you would realize Lamberts actions were justified.

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Evangeline did nothing but do her duty.

Evangeline's duty is to protect Thedas from magic.
Will Evangeline, by herself, be capable of preventing every single mage no longer in a Circle from harming others? Of course not, that's impossible.
Therefore, she failed in her duties; worse, she activelly aided in granting these mages the freedom to do whatever they please to the people of Thedas and killed her sworn brothers and sister sin arms in the process.
Once again, the people of Thedas are sold to the mages and this time, Maferath is a woman.

For the last time...

"Templars are sworn to protect the world from the dangers of magic, but they also protect mages from the outside world"

http://dragonage.wik...ty_of_a_templar
^That the templars duty..

It's to both to protect the world from magic and to protect mages. And If you had not notice, none of the mages would have escaped the circle If Lambert did not stand down and listen to the Divines orders. His disobediance is more of the cause to the dissorder then Evangelines fallowing the Divines orders by 10 fold. Sorry but Lambert is the problem here. Engeline was doing her job.

She abandoned her order, her comrades and her commanding officer and you label that "following orders" Hrm? 

The moment Justina set the mages free from the White Spire her orders became invalid because she was no longer fit for command of the Templars, Furthermore Lord Seeker Lambert was well within his rights to annul the accord considering he is the head of the Seeker Order.

And again reread Asunder.

The mage murdering the tranquil and pinning it on the Templars is what kicked off the war, a Mage started the war you really should read the book its quite clear on that point.

Derp. How dare the Divine try to prevent outright war.

Yes by letting them flee from Templar strongpoints and allowing them to gain fortified positions and garner public support.

:/ Seriously dude if you even realized how...simple that statement sounded when you compare it to BASIC military concepts you would see how the Divine did nothing but allow the mages to WAGE war.

They would have neve leaft if Lanbert did not try to break up and attack the conclave the mages were gine the ok to do which he was ordered not to do.