eluvianix wrote...
But it came through the mortal remains of the Baroness. Hence why it held her form before it transformed.BeadyEyedTater wrote...
Some very powerful demons can manifest without a body. Remember the Baroness Pride demon from Awakening?
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Somebody needs a nap.eluvianix wrote...
Jesus. I was just asking. No need to get snippy.BeadyEyedTater wrote...
And? Either way, you're not being detected.eluvianix wrote...
sandalisthemaker wrote...
BeadyEyedTater wrote...
I'm not really certain *what* he is,
demonblood magic"Could you please teach me how to become invisible? ' Cause I can think of all kinds of fun lucrative ways to use a talent like that.
It's not even true invisibility though, is it? It's just messing with people's minds and dulling their senses.
Master Warder Z wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
But it came through the mortal remains of the Baroness. Hence why it held her form before it transformed.BeadyEyedTater wrote...
Some very powerful demons can manifest without a body. Remember the Baroness Pride demon from Awakening?
Makes me wonder what "form" the formless one will take
Steelcan wrote...
I thought Lambert was heavily implied to be dead
Or perhaps Cole gave himself a form through blood magic itself...and perhaps he absorbed the original Cole's memories and appearance? I don't think he actually possessed a body. Since the Litany ended his blood magic, it also took away that which kept his spirit grounded in the mortal plane, hence his fading away.sandalisthemaker wrote...
Hmmm.... Not sure. The fact that some people have caught glimpses of him and remember him enough to spread a rumor of a ghost in the tower makes me think it isn't true invisibility. And also that his power tends to wax and wane.
But it is all blood magic because of the Litany.
What I'm wondering is if Cole was possessing a body, which I believe he was, then why/how did he just fade away completely at the end? Instead of leaving the body behind. Kind of like what happened with Wynne.
Modifié par eluvianix, 18 décembre 2013 - 12:54 .
Silfren wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
I thought Lambert was heavily implied to be dead
Lambert's final scene was so blatantly and outlandishly "fade to black," that the writers couldn't be more obvious in their intentions to bring him back.
Would be quite the delicious twist of irony.The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Silfren wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
I thought Lambert was heavily implied to be dead
Lambert's final scene was so blatantly and outlandishly "fade to black," that the writers couldn't be more obvious in their intentions to bring him back.
I still say that Dave of Canada's Vegetable Lambert idea needs to happen, with the whole "magic is what saves him/keeps him alive" thing.
eluvianix wrote...
Would be quite the delicious twist of irony.The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Silfren wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
I thought Lambert was heavily implied to be dead
Lambert's final scene was so blatantly and outlandishly "fade to black," that the writers couldn't be more obvious in their intentions to bring him back.
I still say that Dave of Canada's Vegetable Lambert idea needs to happen, with the whole "magic is what saves him/keeps him alive" thing.
Master Warder Z wrote...
When she intereferes with a duty that predates the founding of the chantry, when she intereferes with a duty that goes back to the ancient era.
Yes she is the antagonist, By aiding those mages she not only interefered with both the Seeker and Templar orders in their duties to guard mankind from magic she also enabled them to wage war upon the world.
Furthermore you clearly need to reread Asunder considering that it was a mage that lit the spark that ignited the powder keg and set the world ablaze.
She murdered the tranquil, not Lambert.
Silfren wrote...
Master Warder Z wrote...
When she intereferes with a duty that predates the founding of the chantry, when she intereferes with a duty that goes back to the ancient era.
Yes she is the antagonist, By aiding those mages she not only interefered with both the Seeker and Templar orders in their duties to guard mankind from magic she also enabled them to wage war upon the world.
Furthermore you clearly need to reread Asunder considering that it was a mage that lit the spark that ignited the powder keg and set the world ablaze.
She murdered the tranquil, not Lambert.
Whatever might have been the Templars' duty before the founding of the Chantry is irrelevant. The Templars are beholden to the Divine; as the woman ultimately in charge of the Templars, she cannot interfere with their duties; she is the one who defines what those duties are.
Agein,Master Warder Z wrote...
Your points were misplaced as i already stated she was in effect the commander and chief but that doesn't negate that Lamberts authority does entitle him to assume command of a circle and and adjust how it is managed. Furthermore Lambert was in effect Loyal to the chantry considering he didn't break the accord until the Divine lost her right to sit upon the throne.
So now that we have gotten past the majority of your post let me address the final concern and this will my final address considering this is just getting dull now.
No she abandoned her fellows for a woman later to be proven as much a traitor as she, i suppose thats mere hindsight but it doesn't change the fact she betrayed her oath for a orginization that later was cast aside.
It makes complete sense when you look at it in the light that the Divine was acting against the best interests of the chantry and both Templar and Seeker Orders, By enabling the mages to fight their war, by hindering the efforts of the templars and by removing chantry authority both orginizations can return to the chantry after the war upon their own terms.
Or at least that is how i view it.
Modifié par leaguer of one, 18 décembre 2013 - 01:00 .
eluvianix wrote...
Master Warder Z wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
But it came through the mortal remains of the Baroness. Hence why it held her form before it transformed.BeadyEyedTater wrote...
Some very powerful demons can manifest without a body. Remember the Baroness Pride demon from Awakening?
Makes me wonder what "form" the formless one will take
Maybe a white haired Witch of the Wilds?
eluvianix wrote...
Or perhaps Cole gave himself a form through blood magic itself...and perhaps he absorbed the original Cole's memories and appearance?
I don't think he actually possessed a body. Since the Litany ended his blood magic, it also took away that which kept his spirit grounded in the mortal plane, hence his fading away.
Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 18 décembre 2013 - 01:04 .
He's a zealot who thinks giving mages more freedom would 100% let them be blood mages. Of cousre it does not.Master Warder Z wrote...
That's rather subjective considering Lambert annulled the accord for the reasoning that his vision of what those duties were didn't mesh with the divine's view.
Master Warder Z wrote...
I was thinking it would be more...interesting then that personally but who knows, its the friggin formless one.
Doesn't change the fact that he broke faith with the Divine, his boss.Master Warder Z wrote...
Silfren wrote...
Master Warder Z wrote...
When she intereferes with a duty that predates the founding of the chantry, when she intereferes with a duty that goes back to the ancient era.
Yes she is the antagonist, By aiding those mages she not only interefered with both the Seeker and Templar orders in their duties to guard mankind from magic she also enabled them to wage war upon the world.
Furthermore you clearly need to reread Asunder considering that it was a mage that lit the spark that ignited the powder keg and set the world ablaze.
She murdered the tranquil, not Lambert.
Whatever might have been the Templars' duty before the founding of the Chantry is irrelevant. The Templars are beholden to the Divine; as the woman ultimately in charge of the Templars, she cannot interfere with their duties; she is the one who defines what those duties are.
That's rather subjective considering Lambert annulled the accord for the reasoning that his vision of what those duties were didn't mesh with the divine's view.
leaguer of one wrote...
He's a zealot who thinks giving mages more freedom would 100% let them be blood mages. Of cousre it does not.Master Warder Z wrote...
That's rather subjective considering Lambert annulled the accord for the reasoning that his vision of what those duties were didn't mesh with the divine's view.
leaguer of one wrote...
Agein,Master Warder Z wrote...
Your points were misplaced as i already stated she was in effect the commander and chief but that doesn't negate that Lamberts authority does entitle him to assume command of a circle and and adjust how it is managed. Furthermore Lambert was in effect Loyal to the chantry considering he didn't break the accord until the Divine lost her right to sit upon the throne.
So now that we have gotten past the majority of your post let me address the final concern and this will my final address considering this is just getting dull now.
No she abandoned her fellows for a woman later to be proven as much a traitor as she, i suppose thats mere hindsight but it doesn't change the fact she betrayed her oath for a orginization that later was cast aside.
It makes complete sense when you look at it in the light that the Divine was acting against the best interests of the chantry and both Templar and Seeker Orders, By enabling the mages to fight their war, by hindering the efforts of the templars and by removing chantry authority both orginizations can return to the chantry after the war upon their own terms.
Or at least that is how i view it.
"[color=rgb(213, 212, 212)">The ] is an [/color]Andrastian order that answers directly to the Divine "
Lambert only has authority to assume command of a circle up to the point the divine says other wise. If the divine tells him not to do anything, then he is not sappose to do any thing... Point blank. His power superseed everything except for the divine. There is not arguing this point.
She told him to stand down and h disobayed. He is in the wrong.
And Lanbert has the majority on nothing. He did no act with the backing of any one. So no he does not have the backing of the chantry.
And she did not betry her order being that her order job is to...
"protect the world from the dangers of magic, but they also protect mages from the outside world"
As I said before, you point is say that if you're a police officer and you found out that your partner, your department and your commanding oficer were all disrguarding the law that you stopping them would be a betral to what it means to be a police officer.
That makes no sense.
And the best interst of the chantry is not have the mages rebel ageinst them. Lambert caused that. Sorry, but it's Lambert who caused most of the issue they have now.
Modifié par ChaosMorning, 18 décembre 2013 - 01:10 .
ChaosMorning wrote...
While this is interesting, it isn't that on topic - I don't think either party here will bend on their opinions of the actions of Lambert, Adrian or Evangeline. Those who seem to be of a mindset supporting the Templar's views will likely agree that the Divine was betraying her own position and that Evangeline is a traitor, meanwhile those in the mage's camp will likely see Lambert as an extraordinarily dangerous zealot and Evangeline acting as a 'true Templar.'
"Isn't perspective wonderful? You'd think people who are so tall would have more of it"
And comitted insubordination as well as treason.eluvianix wrote...
Doesn't change the fact that he broke faith with the Divine, his boss.Master Warder Z wrote...
Silfren wrote...
Master Warder Z wrote...
When she intereferes with a duty that predates the founding of the chantry, when she intereferes with a duty that goes back to the ancient era.
Yes she is the antagonist, By aiding those mages she not only interefered with both the Seeker and Templar orders in their duties to guard mankind from magic she also enabled them to wage war upon the world.
Furthermore you clearly need to reread Asunder considering that it was a mage that lit the spark that ignited the powder keg and set the world ablaze.
She murdered the tranquil, not Lambert.
Whatever might have been the Templars' duty before the founding of the Chantry is irrelevant. The Templars are beholden to the Divine; as the woman ultimately in charge of the Templars, she cannot interfere with their duties; she is the one who defines what those duties are.
That's rather subjective considering Lambert annulled the accord for the reasoning that his vision of what those duties were didn't mesh with the divine's view.
eluvianix wrote...
Doesn't change the fact that he broke faith with the Divine, his boss.Master Warder Z wrote...
Silfren wrote...
Master Warder Z wrote...
When she intereferes with a duty that predates the founding of the chantry, when she intereferes with a duty that goes back to the ancient era.
Yes she is the antagonist, By aiding those mages she not only interefered with both the Seeker and Templar orders in their duties to guard mankind from magic she also enabled them to wage war upon the world.
Furthermore you clearly need to reread Asunder considering that it was a mage that lit the spark that ignited the powder keg and set the world ablaze.
She murdered the tranquil, not Lambert.
Whatever might have been the Templars' duty before the founding of the Chantry is irrelevant. The Templars are beholden to the Divine; as the woman ultimately in charge of the Templars, she cannot interfere with their duties; she is the one who defines what those duties are.
That's rather subjective considering Lambert annulled the accord for the reasoning that his vision of what those duties were didn't mesh with the divine's view.
eluvianix wrote...
ChaosMorning wrote...
While this is interesting, it isn't that on topic - I don't think either party here will bend on their opinions of the actions of Lambert, Adrian or Evangeline. Those who seem to be of a mindset supporting the Templar's views will likely agree that the Divine was betraying her own position and that Evangeline is a traitor, meanwhile those in the mage's camp will likely see Lambert as an extraordinarily dangerous zealot and Evangeline acting as a 'true Templar.'
"Isn't perspective wonderful? You'd think people who are so tall would have more of it"
I think Cole will return. Happy now?
In whose opinion?The Pro Templar perspective or the actual events in the story?Divine Justinia was attempting to negotiate with the mages until Lambert and Adrian messed it all up.Master Warder Z wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Doesn't change the fact that he broke faith with the Divine, his boss.Master Warder Z wrote...
Silfren wrote...
Master Warder Z wrote...
When she intereferes with a duty that predates the founding of the chantry, when she intereferes with a duty that goes back to the ancient era.
Yes she is the antagonist, By aiding those mages she not only interefered with both the Seeker and Templar orders in their duties to guard mankind from magic she also enabled them to wage war upon the world.
Furthermore you clearly need to reread Asunder considering that it was a mage that lit the spark that ignited the powder keg and set the world ablaze.
She murdered the tranquil, not Lambert.
Whatever might have been the Templars' duty before the founding of the Chantry is irrelevant. The Templars are beholden to the Divine; as the woman ultimately in charge of the Templars, she cannot interfere with their duties; she is the one who defines what those duties are.
That's rather subjective considering Lambert annulled the accord for the reasoning that his vision of what those duties were didn't mesh with the divine's view.
Only after she became unworthy of leading the Templars and Seekers.
He didn't do it until she left him with little choice in the matter to do so.
It was either that or allow the mages free reign within Orlais and the rest of Thedas and it was obvious that the Divine wouldn't be marshalling the chantry together in any effort to combat them.
ChaosMorning wrote...
While this is interesting, it isn't that on topic - I don't think either party here will bend on their opinions of the actions of Lambert, Adrian or Evangeline. Those who seem to be of a mindset supporting the Templar's views will likely agree that the Divine was betraying her own position and that Evangeline is a traitor, meanwhile those in the mage's camp will likely see Lambert as an extraordinarily dangerous zealot and Evangeline acting as a 'true Templar.'
"Isn't perspective wonderful? You'd think people who are so tall would have more of it"
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