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[Master Warder Z_]

cjones91 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

When she intereferes with a duty that predates the founding of the chantry, when she intereferes with a duty that goes back to the ancient era.

Yes she is the antagonist, By aiding those mages she not only interefered with both the Seeker and Templar orders in their duties to guard mankind from magic she also enabled them to wage war upon the world.

Furthermore you clearly need to reread Asunder considering that it was a mage that lit the spark that ignited the powder keg and set the world ablaze.

She murdered the tranquil, not Lambert.

Whatever might have been the Templars' duty before the founding of the Chantry is irrelevant.  The Templars are beholden to the Divine; as the woman ultimately in charge of the Templars, she cannot interfere with their duties; she is the one who defines what those duties are.

That's rather subjective considering Lambert annulled the accord for the reasoning that his vision of what those duties were didn't mesh with the divine's view.

Doesn't change the fact that he broke faith with the Divine, his boss.

Only after she became unworthy of leading the Templars and Seekers.

He didn't do it until she left him with little choice in the matter to do so.

It was either that or allow the mages free reign within Orlais and the rest of Thedas and it was obvious that the Divine wouldn't be marshalling the chantry together in any effort to combat them.

In whose opinion?The Pro Templar perspective or the actual events in the story?Divine Justinia was attempting to negotiate with the mages until Lambert and Adrian messed it all up.

She threw them a bone and instead of dicussing what they were supposed to be in the conclave they spoke of insurrection and seccession. Then add in how Adrian murdered the tranquil, blamed rhyes for the deed and events unfold pretty much how i described.

Again Lambert was pretty reactionary the entire novel.

He didn't go very far out of his way to "oppress" mages. Only when they acted and when he was forced to react did he go to in my eye justifable steps to keep both the mages and common populace safe.

But once his ability to do that was compromised by being called away by the divine only to return during the escape attempt, what was he to think? His boss, the choosen of the Maker and leader of the chantry was aiding the mages in escaping, and when they proceded to gather and fortify their positions to the extent he needed to call forth every major contingent of templars in thedas to his banner, i can see the man having very little choice besides annulling the accord.

What was he to do? Let the Divine negoiate with the mages while they sat with their fortress presenting a threat to the entirity of Orlais? Let them possibly assault the nation it self? slaughter the people of the land? 

[Karlone123]

I'm gussing it is Cole given that he is the most interesting character, if he does appear, will it be in spirit form or could he appear as a possessed Lambert. Considering both of these characters fates are unknown. It could be like Anders' and Justice but with Cole more in control if Lambert isn't fully dead.

Modifié par Karlone123, 18 décembre 2013 - 01:21 .

[ChaosMorning]

Master Warder Z wrote...

ChaosMorning wrote...

While this is interesting, it isn't that on topic - I don't think either party here will bend on their opinions of the actions of Lambert, Adrian or Evangeline. Those who seem to be of a mindset supporting the Templar's views will likely agree that the Divine was betraying her own position and that Evangeline is a traitor, meanwhile those in the mage's camp will likely see Lambert as an extraordinarily dangerous zealot and Evangeline acting as a 'true Templar.'

"Isn't perspective wonderful? You'd think people who are so tall would have more of it"

Heh well said and in truth i am growing tired of debating it, the whole diatribe a while back of "logic" really sucked the wind out of my sails.

But you have my viewpoint down fairly well.

I am of the mind the Divine became unworthy of leading the chantry and thus the templars and seekers when she forsaked her oathes to allow the Templars the means to protect thedas from the threat of magic.

Likewise i can see how you pretty much hit the nail on the head considering the agruments i am combating seem to be shifting from Evangeline "acting" as a templar should even when it goes against both orders and duty and even common sense. To Lambert being overzealous and dangerous.

In truth i think the man was much like Loghain, stuck between a rock and a hard place and made the best decisions he could when his boss was sort of screwing him behind his back.

Lambert has his reasons for acting the way he does, having seen first hand what absolute power can do to corrupt mages - he isn't inherently "corrupt," he is simply the extreme of what a Templar/Seeker would be, similar to Anders and his views on freedom for mages: uncompromising and extraordinarily biased.

Evangeline, in my opinion, is what many would like the Templar Order to be like - more leniant and kind, while still willing to kill mages who have been corrupted and still protect them from a world that fears them.  Perspective and all that.

As for the Divine, well, she is a player of The Grand Game - whatever her intents were (and I believe them to be noble), she made a poor move by putting Leliana in the White Spire during the escape, and she was burnt for it.

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...


And you would be correct, but why we are hashing over the point of the divine being in command of the Seekers i really don't know, i already stated the Divine was in command of them, but also Lambert as Lord Seeker has considerable power, enough to literally annul the accords and summon the thirteen templar contingents across white thedas to him.

So i would agrue that rather him being at the behest of the Divine, It was far more likely that he was at her command only in so far that it suited the structuring of the chantry and seekers, Furthermore she led to the escape of the mages from the spire, any order coming from her that led to that is tantamont to treason  against the very order is in command of.

Moving along.

So Lambert heh "magically made" the mage murder the tranquil, frame Wynne's son for the crime, instigated a battle and then forced the Divine to distract him with an urgent meeting while they were escaping the spire?

Again i would agrue both the Templars and Lambert were fairly reactionary, with Lambert even going as far as to state that the research on the reversing of the right of tranqulity may even be put into effect into the future once the current crisis was out of the way, I would agrue that the Mages are clearly responsible for their situation considering all Lambert did was react.

The reason why I'm bring it it up tis that Lambert, even eith his power, does not have the authority or power to super seed, dissobey or nagate the word of the divine in any way. For him to do so is to go ageints his duties.
If the divine says stop hes to stop, end of story. If he does not the divine is open to deal with him as shes sees fit. That is her right and authority.

And no I'm not saying he framed Rhys but the way he tried to arrest him and stop the conclave was wrong and outside his authority. He had no right to stop the conclave being that the Divine herself oked it to happen no matter the reason. And he already know the issues with Rhys and Cole being the murder in the tower so he had no reasons to jump to assertins.

Lamberts reaction made things worse and were uncalled for. Had he waited till after the conclave was ended or did things more discretly, none of the conflict would of happened to this degree. 

I'm not saying he alone is wrong but he, out of 2 people, is the most wrong because of how he reacted.

How can the mages be responsible for what happen when they are doing what they are allowed to do?

The people at fault here is Lambert and Aldrin. Not the mages or the templars. Just 2 people from them.

If Lambert and Aldrin were not there, no conflict would of happened.

[leaguer of one]

ChaosMorning wrote...

she made a poor move by putting Leliana in the White Spire during the escape, and she was burnt for it.

But none of the mages would of escaped if she did not do that. The divine one way or another is going to send someone to ake done Lambert who is out of control.  The fault here was letting Lambert Live or go uncaptured.

[Master Warder Z_]

ChaosMorning wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

ChaosMorning wrote...

While this is interesting, it isn't that on topic - I don't think either party here will bend on their opinions of the actions of Lambert, Adrian or Evangeline. Those who seem to be of a mindset supporting the Templar's views will likely agree that the Divine was betraying her own position and that Evangeline is a traitor, meanwhile those in the mage's camp will likely see Lambert as an extraordinarily dangerous zealot and Evangeline acting as a 'true Templar.'

"Isn't perspective wonderful? You'd think people who are so tall would have more of it"

Heh well said and in truth i am growing tired of debating it, the whole diatribe a while back of "logic" really sucked the wind out of my sails.

But you have my viewpoint down fairly well.

I am of the mind the Divine became unworthy of leading the chantry and thus the templars and seekers when she forsaked her oathes to allow the Templars the means to protect thedas from the threat of magic.

Likewise i can see how you pretty much hit the nail on the head considering the agruments i am combating seem to be shifting from Evangeline "acting" as a templar should even when it goes against both orders and duty and even common sense. To Lambert being overzealous and dangerous.

In truth i think the man was much like Loghain, stuck between a rock and a hard place and made the best decisions he could when his boss was sort of screwing him behind his back.

Lambert has his reasons for acting the way he does, having seen first hand what absolute power can do to corrupt mages - he isn't inherently "corrupt," he is simply the extreme of what a Templar/Seeker would be, similar to Anders and his views on freedom for mages: uncompromising and extraordinarily biased.

Evangeline, in my opinion, is what many would like the Templar Order to be like - more leniant and kind, while still willing to kill mages who have been corrupted and still protect them from a world that fears them.  Perspective and all that.

As for the Divine, well, she is a player of The Grand Game - whatever her intents were (and I believe them to be noble), she made a poor move by putting Leliana in the White Spire during the escape, and she was burnt for it.

And are you among them?

Would you prefer the entirity of the Templar and Seeker Order to be more like Evangeline?

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

ChaosMorning wrote...

she made a poor move by putting Leliana in the White Spire during the escape, and she was burnt for it.

But none of the mages would of escaped if she did not do that. The divine one way or another is going to send someone to ake done Lambert who is out of control.  The fault here was letting Lambert Live or go uncaptured.

So instead of being able to make war upon the nation of Orlais and Chantry they are still stuck within the White Spire?

How exactly is this a negative?

They would be unable to make their war and the Grand Echanter and her insanity would still be contained.

[Hellion Rex]

ChaosMorning wrote...

As for the Divine, well, she is a player of The Grand Game - whatever her intents were (and I believe them to be noble), she made a poor move by putting Leliana in the White Spire during the escape, and she was burnt for it.

She knew exactly what would happen by sending in Leliana. You said it yourself. She is a player of the Game. She is no fool.

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...


She threw them a bone and instead of dicussing what they were supposed to be in the conclave they spoke of insurrection and seccession. Then add in how Adrian murdered the tranquil, blamed rhyes for the deed and events unfold pretty much how i described.

Again Lambert was pretty reactionary the entire novel.

He didn't go very far out of his way to "oppress" mages. Only when they acted and when he was forced to react did he go to in my eye justifable steps to keep both the mages and common populace safe.

But once his ability to do that was compromised by being called away by the divine only to return during the escape attempt, what was he to think? His boss, the choosen of the Maker and leader of the chantry was aiding the mages in escaping, and when they proceded to gather and fortify their positions to the extent he needed to call forth every major contingent of templars in thedas to his banner, i can see the man having very little choice besides annulling the accord.

What was he to do? Let the Divine negoiate with the mages while they sat with their fortress presenting a threat to the entirity of Orlais? Let them possibly assault the nation it self? slaughter the people of the land? 

1. She oked the assembaly. They can discuse what every they want to. She never told them they could to do so or give Lambert the Authoruity to stop it if they did.

2. More of a point she was doing hat she could to stop an out of control Seeker who was disopeying her. It would have never gone that fat in the first place if Lambert did not didabey the Divine. Lambert is at fault.

3. "What was he to do? Let the Divine negoiate with the mages while they sat with their fortress presenting a threat to the entirity of Orlais? Let them possibly assault the nation it self? slaughter the people of the land? "

What in dear lord says they will do that? Why would they even do that? And don't you even understand that Lambert was the cause for these mages to be out like this in the first place?

[ChaosMorning]

Master Warder Z wrote...
And are you among them?

Would you prefer the entirity of the Templar and Seeker Order to be more like Evangeline?

I am of a similar mindset to that third of the rats in Darktown that believe there should be more cheese for all of those silly people in skirts, fighting over ideals. But seriously, yes, I think Evageline is an example of 'better Templar' and were more of them like her, I'd be more welcome to the Circle system remaining. Then agan, I told Meredith and Orsino to leave me alone during the Final Straw. 

Make of that what you wish. I understand the viewpoints of both parties but I stand by the mages - individual freedom is more important to me than collective safety, but I can see why many would disagree.

leaguer of one wrote...

ChaosMorning wrote...

she made a poor move by putting Leliana in the White Spire during the escape, and she was burnt for it.

But none of the mages would of escaped if she did not do that. The divine one way or another is going to send someone to ake done Lambert who is out of control.  The fault here was letting Lambert Live or go uncaptured.

I never said she shouldn't have done it - Lambert is a dangerous zealot and the mages should be free, hurrah, blah.   

I simply said that she should have sent someone unknown to Lambert.

Modifié par ChaosMorning, 18 décembre 2013 - 01:33 .

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...


And you would be correct, but why we are hashing over the point of the divine being in command of the Seekers i really don't know, i already stated the Divine was in command of them, but also Lambert as Lord Seeker has considerable power, enough to literally annul the accords and summon the thirteen templar contingents across white thedas to him.

So i would agrue that rather him being at the behest of the Divine, It was far more likely that he was at her command only in so far that it suited the structuring of the chantry and seekers, Furthermore she led to the escape of the mages from the spire, any order coming from her that led to that is tantamont to treason  against the very order is in command of.

Moving along.

So Lambert heh "magically made" the mage murder the tranquil, frame Wynne's son for the crime, instigated a battle and then forced the Divine to distract him with an urgent meeting while they were escaping the spire?

Again i would agrue both the Templars and Lambert were fairly reactionary, with Lambert even going as far as to state that the research on the reversing of the right of tranqulity may even be put into effect into the future once the current crisis was out of the way, I would agrue that the Mages are clearly responsible for their situation considering all Lambert did was react.

The reason why I'm bring it it up tis that Lambert, even eith his power, does not have the authority or power to super seed, dissobey or nagate the word of the divine in any way. For him to do so is to go ageints his duties.
If the divine says stop hes to stop, end of story. If he does not the divine is open to deal with him as shes sees fit. That is her right and authority.

And no I'm not saying he framed Rhys but the way he tried to arrest him and stop the conclave was wrong and outside his authority. He had no right to stop the conclave being that the Divine herself oked it to happen no matter the reason. And he already know the issues with Rhys and Cole being the murder in the tower so he had no reasons to jump to assertins.

Lamberts reaction made things worse and were uncalled for. Had he waited till after the conclave was ended or did things more discretly, none of the conflict would of happened to this degree. 

I'm not saying he alone is wrong but he, out of 2 people, is the most wrong because of how he reacted.

How can the mages be responsible for what happen when they are doing what they are allowed to do?

The people at fault here is Lambert and Aldrin. Not the mages or the templars. Just 2 people from them.

If Lambert and Aldrin were not there, no conflict would of happened.

Odd considering he did annull the accord thus making the Divine no longer in command of the Templar and Seeker Order.

Clearly the relationship wasn't as cut and dry as you would wish it to be considering he had the power to do that. Furthermore as commander of the circle he was well within his rights to cancel the gathering considering the topic assigned to them BY the divine whom you state he could not go against, was ignored and promptly went to seccession.

And how you place Lambert upon the uppermost tier of blame when the mage murdered the tranquil and made it so combat would break out i haven't a clue but i am growing weary of debating this.

[MisterJB]

Master Warder Z wrote...
Would you prefer the entirity of the Templar and Seeker Order to be more like Evangeline?

There is already a Templar Order where their members hold view similar to Evangeline's.
The one in Tevinter; lapdogs to the mages who bark when their masters need to increase their power.

Modifié par MisterJB, 18 décembre 2013 - 01:34 .

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

ChaosMorning wrote...

she made a poor move by putting Leliana in the White Spire during the escape, and she was burnt for it.

But none of the mages would of escaped if she did not do that. The divine one way or another is going to send someone to ake done Lambert who is out of control.  The fault here was letting Lambert Live or go uncaptured.

So instead of being able to make war upon the nation of Orlais and Chantry they are still stuck within the White Spire?

How exactly is this a negative?

They would be unable to make their war and the Grand Echanter and her insanity would still be contained.

1.First of all they are not make war on Thedus.
2.You don't understand the depncary the chantry has on the mages abilities?
3.What insantity, what is insane about having more freedom?


Again, Lanbert made things worse.

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...


She threw them a bone and instead of dicussing what they were supposed to be in the conclave they spoke of insurrection and seccession. Then add in how Adrian murdered the tranquil, blamed rhyes for the deed and events unfold pretty much how i described.

Again Lambert was pretty reactionary the entire novel.

He didn't go very far out of his way to "oppress" mages. Only when they acted and when he was forced to react did he go to in my eye justifable steps to keep both the mages and common populace safe.

But once his ability to do that was compromised by being called away by the divine only to return during the escape attempt, what was he to think? His boss, the choosen of the Maker and leader of the chantry was aiding the mages in escaping, and when they proceded to gather and fortify their positions to the extent he needed to call forth every major contingent of templars in thedas to his banner, i can see the man having very little choice besides annulling the accord.

What was he to do? Let the Divine negoiate with the mages while they sat with their fortress presenting a threat to the entirity of Orlais? Let them possibly assault the nation it self? slaughter the people of the land? 

1. She oked the assembaly. They can discuse what every they want to. She never told them they could to do so or give Lambert the Authoruity to stop it if they did.

2. More of a point she was doing hat she could to stop an out of control Seeker who was disopeying her. It would have never gone that fat in the first place if Lambert did not didabey the Divine. Lambert is at fault.

3. "What was he to do? Let the Divine negoiate with the mages while they sat with their fortress presenting a threat to the entirity of Orlais? Let them possibly assault the nation it self? slaughter the people of the land? "

What in dear lord says they will do that? Why would they even do that? And don't you even understand that Lambert was the cause for these mages to be out like this in the first place?

...Was this even addressed to you?

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
Would you prefer the entirity of the Templar and Seeker Order to be more like Evangeline?

There is already a Templar Order similar to Evangeline.
The one in Tevinter; lapdogs to the mages.

Nope. I would take her over Lambert any day.

[leaguer of one]

MisterJB wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
Would you prefer the entirity of the Templar and Seeker Order to be more like Evangeline?

There is already a Templar Order similar to Evangeline.
The one in Tevinter; lapdogs to the mages.

Why on earth would more freedom to mages some how mean they will turn to blood mages?
Funny, how more imposed authority makes them morelikely to turn to blood magic.

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...


She threw them a bone and instead of dicussing what they were supposed to be in the conclave they spoke of insurrection and seccession. Then add in how Adrian murdered the tranquil, blamed rhyes for the deed and events unfold pretty much how i described.

Again Lambert was pretty reactionary the entire novel.

He didn't go very far out of his way to "oppress" mages. Only when they acted and when he was forced to react did he go to in my eye justifable steps to keep both the mages and common populace safe.

But once his ability to do that was compromised by being called away by the divine only to return during the escape attempt, what was he to think? His boss, the choosen of the Maker and leader of the chantry was aiding the mages in escaping, and when they proceded to gather and fortify their positions to the extent he needed to call forth every major contingent of templars in thedas to his banner, i can see the man having very little choice besides annulling the accord.

What was he to do? Let the Divine negoiate with the mages while they sat with their fortress presenting a threat to the entirity of Orlais? Let them possibly assault the nation it self? slaughter the people of the land? 

1. She oked the assembaly. They can discuse what every they want to. She never told them they could to do so or give Lambert the Authoruity to stop it if they did.

2. More of a point she was doing hat she could to stop an out of control Seeker who was disopeying her. It would have never gone that fat in the first place if Lambert did not didabey the Divine. Lambert is at fault.

3. "What was he to do? Let the Divine negoiate with the mages while they sat with their fortress presenting a threat to the entirity of Orlais? Let them possibly assault the nation it self? slaughter the people of the land? "

What in dear lord says they will do that? Why would they even do that? And don't you even understand that Lambert was the cause for these mages to be out like this in the first place?

...Was this even addressed to you?

Point still stands.

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...
Nope. I would take her over Lambert any day.

Of course; you're pro-mage. I'm sure she is a wonderful Templar for the mages since she has shown willingness to let them do whatever they please.

And don't bother pointing out out her scene at the tavern which is made null and void when her reaction to mages plotting to separate from the only people capable of imposing restrictions upon them was "I'll allow this."

Modifié par MisterJB, 18 décembre 2013 - 01:37 .

[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
Would you prefer the entirity of the Templar and Seeker Order to be more like Evangeline?

There is already a Templar Order where their members hold view similar to Evangeline's.
The one in Tevinter; lapdogs to the mages who bark when their masters need to increase their power.

Did you forget the part of the Templar mandate that said "To protect the world from mages and the mages from the world?"Evangeline is what the ideal templar should be:willing to protect people from the abuses of magic while at the same time protecting the mages from the populace.

[Master Warder Z_]

ChaosMorning wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
And are you among them?

Would you prefer the entirity of the Templar and Seeker Order to be more like Evangeline?

I am of a similar mindset to that third of the rats in Darktown that believe there should be more cheese for all of those silly people in skirts, fighting over ideals. But seriously, yes, I think Evageline is an example of 'better Templar' and were more of them like her, I'd be more welcome to the Circle system remaining. Then agan, I told Meredith and Orsino to leave me alone during the Final Straw. 

Make of that what you wish. I understand the viewpoints of both parties but I stand by the mages - individual freedom is more important to me than collective safety, but I can see why many would disagree.

leaguer of one wrote...

ChaosMorning wrote...

she made a poor move by putting Leliana in the White Spire during the escape, and she was burnt for it.

But none of the mages would of escaped if she did not do that. The divine one way or another is going to send someone to ake done Lambert who is out of control.  The fault here was letting Lambert Live or go uncaptured.

I never said she shouldn't have done it - Lambert is a dangerous zealot and the mages should be free, hurrah, blah.   

I simply said that she should have sent someone unknown to Lambert.

Hrmm I suppose it shouldn't be surprising.

Few among those who attend this forum that support the Templars over the Mages and even though i suppose i can understand the logic and intent of it, it just seems...Overly idealistic and naive but i can understand it. But i am also a supporter of the idea magic is a curse within DA.

Something to be contained at controlled at the behest of either the chantry or state.

But to me? Lambert is the type of Seeker, the type of Templar we need.

Those that will not go out of their way to harass mages, but those who will do their duty if the need arises.

[ChaosMorning]

Fiona is a bit, understandably, uncompromising in her disdain for the Order and their control over the mages. She likely does not wish to see more of her people suffer the way she has.

Likewise Lambert is hellbent on keeping order, yet he knows what happens when mages rule (I disagree with that, however, I believe that is Tevinter culture more than magic alone, they are still intertwined, but I digress).

Both leaders have their virtues and vices - neither is really 'insane' they're 'simply' willing to stand by their beliefs to the bitter end.

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...


She threw them a bone and instead of dicussing what they were supposed to be in the conclave they spoke of insurrection and seccession. Then add in how Adrian murdered the tranquil, blamed rhyes for the deed and events unfold pretty much how i described.

Again Lambert was pretty reactionary the entire novel.

He didn't go very far out of his way to "oppress" mages. Only when they acted and when he was forced to react did he go to in my eye justifable steps to keep both the mages and common populace safe.

But once his ability to do that was compromised by being called away by the divine only to return during the escape attempt, what was he to think? His boss, the choosen of the Maker and leader of the chantry was aiding the mages in escaping, and when they proceded to gather and fortify their positions to the extent he needed to call forth every major contingent of templars in thedas to his banner, i can see the man having very little choice besides annulling the accord.

What was he to do? Let the Divine negoiate with the mages while they sat with their fortress presenting a threat to the entirity of Orlais? Let them possibly assault the nation it self? slaughter the people of the land? 

1. She oked the assembaly. They can discuse what every they want to. She never told them they could to do so or give Lambert the Authoruity to stop it if they did.

2. More of a point she was doing hat she could to stop an out of control Seeker who was disopeying her. It would have never gone that fat in the first place if Lambert did not didabey the Divine. Lambert is at fault.

3. "What was he to do? Let the Divine negoiate with the mages while they sat with their fortress presenting a threat to the entirity of Orlais? Let them possibly assault the nation it self? slaughter the people of the land? "

What in dear lord says they will do that? Why would they even do that? And don't you even understand that Lambert was the cause for these mages to be out like this in the first place?

...Was this even addressed to you?

Point still stands.

Not really, considering that if i desire conversation i tend with an invidual person i tend to click the "quote" button on the screen with the cursor.

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Nope. I would take her over Lambert any day.

Of course; you're pro-mage. I'm sure she is a wonderful Templar for the mages since she has shown willingness to let them do whatever they please.

And don't bother pointing out out her scene at the tavern which is mad null and void when her reaction to mages plotting to separate from the only people capable of imposing restrictions upon them was "I'll allow this."

Like Lambert was gonna actually listen to anything the mages proposed to settle this conflict.

[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Nope. I would take her over Lambert any day.

Of course; you're pro-mage. I'm sure she is a wonderful Templar for the mages since she has shown willingness to let them do whatever they please.

And don't bother pointing out out her scene at the tavern which is made null and void when her reaction to mages plotting to separate from the only people capable of imposing restrictions upon them was "I'll allow this."

So if you were a soilder and your superior told you to kill innocent people because a terrorist could be among them,would you do it?Evangeline did what she thought was right and that's to be commended.

[Hellion Rex]

Master Warder Z wrote...
Not really, considering that if i desire conversation i tend with an invidual person i tend to click the "quote" button on the screen with the cursor.

People on here have the right to quote whoever and comment on what people say. If leaguer of one's response bothers you, you just ignore it.

Modifié par eluvianix, 18 décembre 2013 - 01:40 .