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[Skorm777]

 I was pretty impressed with the quality of posts and
maturity level on this forum when I began visiting frequently only a month ago.
Lately however it seems this forum is drowned in anxiety and negativity ranging
from questions concerning Biowares capabilities and intentions, to bashing
early release DLC.

Personally I think this anti-gamer corporate attitude that
everyone believes Bioware has adopted, is nothing more than misunderstanding.

Everyone seems to place DA2 as a benchmark of Biowares
capabilities, and an example of what's to come in the future. However nobody
seems to realise that they spent 1.5 years on the title, half of the time spent
on the average AAA RPG; and they didn't have a full development team.

If you compare what they created in 1.5 years to Skyrim,
which had a team of 100 working on it for 3 years, DA2 is a commendation to
Biowares potential.

On the subject of day one DLC. If Bioware has ideas for DLC
containing additional characters, why would they begin development after
release and drop a character into the mix months later, when a good portion of
players have already beaten the game. It seems logical to increase the budget
during development in order to release this character on or close to launch, so
that people completing the game for the first time can make use of them.


Understand that I'm not trying to make excuses for Biowares
excessive release of non contributing DLC, or the fact that they released DA2
early (despite my assumptions as to why, which indicates rationality and not
malice; the latter which so many of you assume is the case) and for full price.

All I want to communicate is that Bioware is an exceptional studio, who
is releasing a game that will have had adequate development time, and use of a modern
engine. Therefore we should reserve judgement for after playing the game, or at
least refrain from making connections to their last title given the difference
in effort this time.

Modifié par Skorm777, 17 décembre 2013 - 08:47 .

[Moghedia]

With DA2 and ME3 ending debacle and From Ashes DLC which cut very important content from the main game so it could be nickel and dimed away. I can understand why people are being cautious about DA.I.
I think most of the scepticism is levelled towards EA's business practices, I personally hope they have learned there lesson and will give Bioware the freedom and time to finish the game how they want.

[Khayness]

Skorm777 wrote...

 I was pretty impressed with the quality of posts and maturity level on this forum when I began visiting frequently only a month ago. Lately however it seems this forum is drowned in anxiety and negativity ranging from questions concerning Biowares capabilities and intentions, to bashing early release DLC.

A month? Lately? More like 2,5 years ago, when the DA:O DLCs were finished.

Skorm777 wrote...

Everyone seems to place DA2 as a benchmark of Biowares capabilities, and an example of what's to come in the future. However nobody seems to realise that they spent 1.5 years on the title, half of the time spent on the average AAA RPG; and they didn't have a full development team.

If you compare what they created in 1.5 years to Skyrim, which had a team of 100 working on it for 3 years, DA2 is a commendation to Biowares potential.

I don't think that's a virtue. I remember the godawful corny marketing telling us everything will be fine and all our concerns (most of them got validated) were foolish.

Atleast Laidlaw made a pretty good statement trying to make things better, so kudos for that.

[Liamv2]

Ugh *Facedesk* this is not going to end well.

[KiwiQuiche]

Bioware has dropped the ball with their latest titles, which explains the hostile reactions from many as did their fan-blaming behavior following the ME3 backlash.

How is this relevant to the discussions about the up-coming DA3 game?

[The Flying Grey Warden]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Bioware has dropped the ball with their latest titles, which explains the hostile reactions from many as did their fan-blaming behavior following the ME3 backlash.

How is this relevant to the discussions about the up-coming DA3 game?

What do any of the threads about what people can stick their dicks into, or what things can stick their dicks into them, have to do with DAI? Or a debate between the ku klux templars and taliban mages have to do with fade tears and inquisitioning?

Face it, these forums are the least on topic places of the bsn, and thats including the off-topic section. If it aint about romance or mage vs templars, its just demanding bioware give them things.
 
As for the OP's point, it's a education guess at what to expect given the work theyve dished out. Dragon age 2, while I liked it, was rushed and hasn't aged well at all, even worse then DAO in my opinion. Mass effect 3 has a bunch of problems and is praised only for its gameplay and multiplayer, which is a very big warning flash given it is suppose to be a story centric game. 

But I would postulate that compared to the folks in the mass effect section this place is a bastion of positivity and opptomism given what we've seen. As opposed to the mass effect forums being a concentrated form of clinging to old wounds as crutches and trying to make everyone as miserable as they are.

Modifié par The Flying Grey Warden, 17 décembre 2013 - 09:21 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Which is why the Mod's should just lock those topics, since it's mainly people snarling at each other over stupid crap. You're under the impression I think those threads are more relevant than this one. I don't.

Romance and Mage vs Templar debates are relevant to DA3.

Yes, the anger of the ME3 forums lingers on, though they have valid reason and you trying to turn it into them just being spiteful for the purpose of being spiteful/childish demeans what many still feel, myself included.

[HiroVoid]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Bioware has dropped the ball with their latest titles, which explains the hostile reactions from many as did their fan-blaming behavior following the ME3 backlash.

How is this relevant to the discussions about the up-coming DA3 game?

What do any of the threads about what people can stick their dicks into, or what things can stick their dicks into them, have to do with DAI? Or a debate between the ku klux templars and taliban mages have to do with fade tears and inquisitioning?

Face it, these forums are the least on topic places of the bsn, and thats including the off-topic section. If it aint about romance or mage vs templars, its just demanding bioware give them things.
 
As for the OP's point, it's a education guess at what to expect given the work theyve dished out. Dragon age 2, while I liked it, was rushed and hasn't aged well at all, even worse then DAO in my opinion. Mass effect 3 has a bunch of problems and is praised only for its gameplay and multiplayer, which is a very big warning flash given it is suppose to be a story centric game. 

But I would postulate that compared to the folks in the mass effect section this place is a bastion of positivity and opptomism given what we've seen. As opposed to the mass effect forums being a concentrated form of clinging to old wounds as crutches and trying to make everyone as miserable as they are.

Don't worry.  Everything'll be better in ME4 when Bioware proves the indoctrination theory true.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

HiroVoid wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Bioware has dropped the ball with their latest titles, which explains the hostile reactions from many as did their fan-blaming behavior following the ME3 backlash.

How is this relevant to the discussions about the up-coming DA3 game?

What do any of the threads about what people can stick their dicks into, or what things can stick their dicks into them, have to do with DAI? Or a debate between the ku klux templars and taliban mages have to do with fade tears and inquisitioning?

Face it, these forums are the least on topic places of the bsn, and thats including the off-topic section. If it aint about romance or mage vs templars, its just demanding bioware give them things.
 
As for the OP's point, it's a education guess at what to expect given the work theyve dished out. Dragon age 2, while I liked it, was rushed and hasn't aged well at all, even worse then DAO in my opinion. Mass effect 3 has a bunch of problems and is praised only for its gameplay and multiplayer, which is a very big warning flash given it is suppose to be a story centric game. 

But I would postulate that compared to the folks in the mass effect section this place is a bastion of positivity and opptomism given what we've seen. As opposed to the mass effect forums being a concentrated form of clinging to old wounds as crutches and trying to make everyone as miserable as they are.

Don't worry.  Everything'll be better in ME4 when Bioware proves the indoctrination theory true.

[Fredward]

Eh. People will be people.

[KiwiQuiche]

HiroVoid wrote...
Don't worry.  Everything'll be better in ME4 when Bioware proves the indoctrination theory true.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Which is why the Mod's should just lock those topics, since it's mainly people snarling at each other over stupid crap. You're under the impression I think those threads are more relevant than this one. I don't.

Romance and Mage vs Templar debates are relevant to DA3.

Yes, the anger of the ME3 forums lingers on, though they have valid reason and you trying to turn it into them just being spiteful for the purpose of being spiteful/childish demeans what many still feel, myself included.

I didn;t do anything, They have done that themselves.

[KiwiQuiche]

Yeah, how dare they still be pissed off? They are just doing it For Reasons.

EDIT: And yeah, Mole has a point. That 'negativity' has been around since the start of the forums. It isn't a recent thing.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 17 décembre 2013 - 10:15 .

[The Flying Grey Warden]

I ain't said a damn thing that isn't true. And if you try to quote me on that I will plead the fifth.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

BSN: Same toxic time. Same toxic place.

[KiwiQuiche]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

I ain't said a damn thing that isn't true. And if you try to quote me on that I will plead the fifth.

I ain't American so I dunno what the fifth is, nor do I care.

[Dutchess]

Skorm777 wrote...

Everyone seems to place DA2 as a benchmark of Biowares
capabilities, and an example of what's to come in the future. However nobody
seems to realise that they spent 1.5 years on the title, half of the time spent
on the average AAA RPG; and they didn't have a full development team.

If you compare what they created in 1.5 years to Skyrim,
which had a team of 100 working on it for 3 years, DA2 is a commendation to
Biowares potential.

Yes, such a commendation, that quality is apparently a secondary (or tertiary) concern. That they apparently have no problems with putting a rushed product on the market and asking full-price and trying to get as many preorders as possible. I'm in awe. 

[Dabrikishaw]

You newness is showing despite having that account for 2 years Skorm777.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

I ain't said a damn thing that isn't true. And if you try to quote me on that I will plead the fifth.

I ain't American so I dunno what the fifth is, nor do I care.

 
Where isn't america at this point? We're like the reapers, indoctrinating all your countries and businesses to be like us. It's pretty much america, funny speaking america, and america lite, with everyone else falling into the "unamerican" category to be converted later.

Modifié par The Flying Grey Warden, 17 décembre 2013 - 10:25 .

[KiwiQuiche]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

I ain't said a damn thing that isn't true. And if you try to quote me on that I will plead the fifth.

I ain't American so I dunno what the fifth is, nor do I care.

 
Where isn't america at this point? We're like the reapers, indoctrinating all your countries and businesses to be like us. It's pretty much america, funny speaking america, and america lite, with everyone else falling into the "unamerican" category to be converted later.

You do realize Reapers are incredibly stupid, nonsensical things, right?

[Talagen]

*sigh* Quietly backs away from this thread...

[The Flying Grey Warden]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

I ain't said a damn thing that isn't true. And if you try to quote me on that I will plead the fifth.

I ain't American so I dunno what the fifth is, nor do I care.

 
Where isn't america at this point? We're like the reapers, indoctrinating all your countries and businesses to be like us. It's pretty much america, funny speaking america, and america lite, with everyone else falling into the "unamerican" category to be converted later.

You do realize Reapers are incredibly stupid, nonsensical things, right?

And you think this diminishes my point how?

[KiwiQuiche]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

I ain't said a damn thing that isn't true. And if you try to quote me on that I will plead the fifth.

I ain't American so I dunno what the fifth is, nor do I care.

 
Where isn't america at this point? We're like the reapers, indoctrinating all your countries and businesses to be like us. It's pretty much america, funny speaking america, and america lite, with everyone else falling into the "unamerican" category to be converted later.

You do realize Reapers are incredibly stupid, nonsensical things, right?

And you think this diminishes my point how?

Hence my lack of the fifth.

[billy the squid]

Yeeeeah. The corporate attitude. Who released the game well before it was ready? Who's fault was that? The ME3 trainwreck of "artistic integrity"?

I don't commend someone for rushing out a buggy pile of crap and pass it off by saying "well it was done in only a year and a half" it remains a pile of crap regardless, considering they charged £40 for it they clearly thought it was worth the price of a standard game. Either they're incompetent or liars, neither one reflects well.

As to the DLC, it's always nice to know they have their monetization priorities straight and locking the "From Ashes DLC" to pre order and collectors edition only to ensure that only buying the game sight unseen allows one to get it.

And no, they made their bed by behaving the way they did in the past, so now they have to deal with it. It sounds more like ignorant apoligism to me.

Modifié par billy the squid, 17 décembre 2013 - 10:36 .