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[Eurypterid]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
Personally, I'd love to see a company include a discount on future DLC for pre-orders (and then not have a D1DLC, but maybe a Month One DLC). 

Isn't that basically the concept behind Season Passes?

[Eurypterid]

BeadyEyedTater wrote...

OP, I find it kind of amusing that you think things are bad *now*. All I have to say to that is wait and see how ugly people get after Inquisition is released. No matter how awesome the game is there will always be people who have nothing better to do then come here and crap all over it. It happened with Origins, it happened with DA2,and it will happen again. It's unfortunate really, but that is the internet for you.

Yeah, that's going to be ugly. Gald I'm not a moderator for the Inquisition forums. Not looking forward to that particular crapstorm.

[spirosz]

Eurypterid wrote...

Not looking forward to that particular crapstorm.

On the contrary, I can't wait to see the threads after release. Makes this place feel more alive - lol.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Skorm777 wrote...

 I was pretty impressed with the quality of posts and
maturity level on this forum when I began visiting frequently only a month ago.
Lately however it seems this forum is drowned in anxiety and negativity ranging
from questions concerning Biowares capabilities and intentions, to bashing
early release DLC.

Personally I think this anti-gamer corporate attitude that
everyone believes Bioware has adopted, is nothing more than misunderstanding.

Everyone seems to place DA2 as a benchmark of Biowares
capabilities, and an example of what's to come in the future. However nobody
seems to realise that they spent 1.5 years on the title, half of the time spent
on the average AAA RPG; and they didn't have a full development team.

If you compare what they created in 1.5 years to Skyrim,
which had a team of 100 working on it for 3 years, DA2 is a commendation to
Biowares potential.

On the subject of day one DLC. If Bioware has ideas for DLC
containing additional characters, why would they begin development after
release and drop a character into the mix months later, when a good portion of
players have already beaten the game. It seems logical to increase the budget
during development in order to release this character on or close to launch, so
that people completing the game for the first time can make use of them.


Understand that I'm not trying to make excuses for Biowares
excessive release of non contributing DLC, or the fact that they released DA2
early (despite my assumptions as to why, which indicates rationality and not
malice; the latter which so many of you assume is the case) and for full price.

All I want to communicate is that Bioware is an exceptional studio, who
is releasing a game that will have had adequate development time, and use of a modern
engine. Therefore we should reserve judgement for after playing the game, or at
least refrain from making connections to their last title given the difference
in effort this time.

I agree. I wonder the ages of the people posting here. They're supposed to be adults but they act like whiny children. I'd be embarassed as hell if I behaved like that.

I say to them: go back to watching Barney or the Teletubbies and leave Bioware games for mature adults to play.

You seem upset. U hungry? Gotta be burpped? Maybe just grumpy and needing abnap.

[Fast Jimmy]

Eurypterid wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
Personally, I'd love to see a company include a discount on future DLC for pre-orders (and then not have a D1DLC, but maybe a Month One DLC). 

Isn't that basically the concept behind Season Passes?

In a way, but not really. Season Passes guarantee certain DLC and cost extra than the base game. If you don't deliver the guaranteed DLC, you get blasted by the gamers who paid money for it. And God forbid if you make and sell any dlc that's not in the Season Pass... ESPECIALLY if that new DLC comes out before the promised Season Pass DLC. 

In my model, it doesn't cost extra to get this discount, you just need to pre-order. You could also buy this discount if you purchase the game after its release. But it doesn't guarantee certain DLC, so developers aren't pigeon-holed into promises that may change. Consumers who are highly vested in the series get a reward in future DLC discounts at no extra cost to them, and, ultimately, you increase the chances of people buying and playing your DLC, since you've lowered the level of resistance by making it cheaper (not to mention people may feel they are "missing out" by not using their discount to the maximum, so people who may have gotten one or two DLC nor ally may wind up getting everyone released, since they are saving money:

Personally, I think it is a much less problem-ridden model than pre-selling your DLC, which is what a Season Pass winds up being. 

[jaza]

BeadyEyedTater wrote...

OP, I find it kind of amusing that you think things are bad *now*. All I have to say to that is wait and see how ugly people get after Inquisition is released. No matter how awesome the game is there will always be people who have nothing better to do then come here and crap all over it. It happened with Origins, it happened with DA2,and it will happen again. It's unfortunate really, but that is the internet for you. The devs are tough cookies though.

****, forget DA:I, wait until the details about ME4 start coming out! Or the game itself! That wil be something!

[Medhia Nox]

@The Grey Nayr: Wait a minute - why are Bioware forumites "supposed to be mature adults"?

Can you properly list the qualities of a "mature adult"? I know many adults who would consider video games the epitome of childishness.

SO... let's hardly start using labels we really couldn't possibly mean.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 17 décembre 2013 - 05:39 .

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Enigmatick wrote...

So, do the mods actively avoid this subforum now? I'm pretty sure I could get away with a thinly veiled porn thread if I really put my mind to it.

Better to post a porn thread here and call it a romance and nudity thread. Off topic is more heavily monitored then this section.

[AresKeith]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Skorm777 wrote...

 I was pretty impressed with the quality of posts and
maturity level on this forum when I began visiting frequently only a month ago.
Lately however it seems this forum is drowned in anxiety and negativity ranging
from questions concerning Biowares capabilities and intentions, to bashing
early release DLC.

Personally I think this anti-gamer corporate attitude that
everyone believes Bioware has adopted, is nothing more than misunderstanding.

Everyone seems to place DA2 as a benchmark of Biowares
capabilities, and an example of what's to come in the future. However nobody
seems to realise that they spent 1.5 years on the title, half of the time spent
on the average AAA RPG; and they didn't have a full development team.

If you compare what they created in 1.5 years to Skyrim,
which had a team of 100 working on it for 3 years, DA2 is a commendation to
Biowares potential.

On the subject of day one DLC. If Bioware has ideas for DLC
containing additional characters, why would they begin development after
release and drop a character into the mix months later, when a good portion of
players have already beaten the game. It seems logical to increase the budget
during development in order to release this character on or close to launch, so
that people completing the game for the first time can make use of them.


Understand that I'm not trying to make excuses for Biowares
excessive release of non contributing DLC, or the fact that they released DA2
early (despite my assumptions as to why, which indicates rationality and not
malice; the latter which so many of you assume is the case) and for full price.

All I want to communicate is that Bioware is an exceptional studio, who
is releasing a game that will have had adequate development time, and use of a modern
engine. Therefore we should reserve judgement for after playing the game, or at
least refrain from making connections to their last title given the difference
in effort this time.

I agree. I wonder the ages of the people posting here. They're supposed to be adults but they act like whiny children. I'd be embarassed as hell if I behaved like that.

I say to them: go back to watching Barney or the Teletubbies and leave Bioware games for mature adults to play.

Pot meet kettle

[Sanunes]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Personally, I'd love to see a company include a discount on future DLC for pre-orders (and then not have a D1DLC, but maybe a Month One DLC). 

The problem is looking at what happened with BioShock Infinite Burial at Sea, I can't see publishers/developers really listening to people's words, over the actions of people that buy the DLC.  With the amount of complaints about how long it took, the price, and even the length of the DLC versus how long it took to get it out to the players.  One month might be too long for some people to consider waiting for a DLC.

[spirosz]

scyphozoa wrote...

I want to see Bioware release a smash hit without any of the ****ty drama.

That will be impossible my friend.  There will be folks like Smudboy (which still has valid points) that cause distress, and there will always be something to find in any release that fans can cling onto to show how far Bioware has fallen since their magical days, lol. 

[dreamgazer]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I say to them: go back to watching Barney or the Teletubbies and leave Bioware games for mature adults to play.

LOLwut?

The negativity is ridiculous, "justified" or not, but bullshit like this is about as bad.

[spirosz]

dreamgazer wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I say to them: go back to watching Barney or the Teletubbies and leave Bioware games for mature adults to play.

LOLwut?

The negativity is ridiculous, "justified" or not, but bullshit like this is about as bad.

lolpardonme

[Star fury]

Eurypterid wrote...

BeadyEyedTater wrote...

OP, I find it kind of amusing that you think things are bad *now*. All I have to say to that is wait and see how ugly people get after Inquisition is released. No matter how awesome the game is there will always be people who have nothing better to do then come here and crap all over it. It happened with Origins, it happened with DA2,and it will happen again. It's unfortunate really, but that is the internet for you.

Yeah, that's going to be ugly. Gald I'm not a moderator for the Inquisition forums. Not looking forward to that particular crapstorm.

If you think that people have great expectations of Bioware after DA2, ME3 and TORtanic, you are deluded.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Whatever problem has been caused that this thread brings to light - I'm sure it was a mage's fault.

We should begin rectifying by burning 12 mages.

I LOVE THIS SONG!!!!

On the 12th day of christmas my true love gave to me,

12 mages burning

11 dwarves a-drinking

come on guys you know the words.

[spirosz]

Star fury wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

BeadyEyedTater wrote...

OP, I find it kind of amusing that you think things are bad *now*. All I have to say to that is wait and see how ugly people get after Inquisition is released. No matter how awesome the game is there will always be people who have nothing better to do then come here and crap all over it. It happened with Origins, it happened with DA2,and it will happen again. It's unfortunate really, but that is the internet for you.

Yeah, that's going to be ugly. Gald I'm not a moderator for the Inquisition forums. Not looking forward to that particular crapstorm.

If you think that people have great expectations of Bioware after DA2, ME3 and TORtanic, you are deluded.

Oh, generalizations.  Homie - as much as I hate to say this - we are the minority.  I dislike what Bioware has released in the past few years, but they're still great Developers, but I'm open to letting them do what they love, who knows - DA:I might suprise me. 

[spirosz]

And hell, I love SWTOR.

[jaza]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Whatever problem has been caused that this thread brings to light - I'm sure it was a mage's fault.

We should begin rectifying by burning 12 mages.

I LOVE THIS SONG!!!!

On the 12th day of christmas my true love gave to me,

12 mages burning

11 dwarves a-drinking

come on guys you know the words.

One the 10th day of Christmas my true love gave to me,

12 mages burning

11 dwarves a-drinking
 
and 10 qunari preaching

Bah I dunno

Modifié par jaza, 17 décembre 2013 - 05:57 .

[Shark17676]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

I ain't said a damn thing that isn't true. And if you try to quote me on that I will plead the fifth.

I ain't American so I dunno what the fifth is, nor do I care.

 
Where isn't america at this point? We're like the reapers, indoctrinating all your countries and businesses to be like us. It's pretty much america, funny speaking america, and america lite, with everyone else falling into the "unamerican" category to be converted later.

What this has to do with anything I can't even fathom.

[Eurypterid]

Enigmatick wrote...

So, do the mods actively avoid this subforum now? I'm pretty sure I could get away with a thinly veiled porn thread if I really put my mind to it.

Well, I cruise this forum, so no, you probably couldn't. I may not have mod powers in this particular forum, but I'm still o mod on the site. Just remember:




I'm watching you, Wazowski, always watching... 

[Fast Jimmy]

Sanunes wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Personally, I'd love to see a company include a discount on future DLC for pre-orders (and then not have a D1DLC, but maybe a Month One DLC). 

The problem is looking at what happened with BioShock Infinite Burial at Sea, I can't see publishers/developers really listening to people's words, over the actions of people that buy the DLC.  With the amount of complaints about how long it took, the price, and even the length of the DLC versus how long it took to get it out to the players.  One month might be too long for some people to consider waiting for a DLC.

Yes, but people paid money for that DLC before it came out. They pre-paid for the DLC. So, naturally, they get impatient when things aren't delivered on time. The DLC Discount (Double D's, I'll call them) gives the player the discount: nothing more, nothing less. No promises, no guarantees, no nothing.  The DLC content will be released when it's released and it's content will be what it will be.  Just like all DLC Bioware makes today. They would just be giving a discount on all the game's DLC, instead of packaging a DLC tol be sold or given away with pre-ordered/Collector's Editions. 

[Eurypterid]

Star fury wrote...

If you think that people have great expectations of Bioware after DA2, ME3 and TORtanic, you are deluded.

I'm not sure how you drew that inference from my post?