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[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

It's a very educated guess.

Let's not pretend that you're actually trying to be correct here.

[David7204]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Gileadan wrote...

In the same year as DA2 was released, 50 bucks got me The Witcher 2, with jaw-dropping graphics, polished content, patch support (not just bug fixes, but continued improvements) for over two years, a free enhanced edition and free DLC.

(Whether or not you liked the game is utterly irrelevant, the point is that it can be done)

Whether I liked the game is not is incredibly relevant. I'm very well aware that garbage can be produced for 50 bucks.

Unfortunately for you, based on everything I've heard about and the responses I've seen to the Witcher...I'm betting it's nowhere even remotely near as good as some people here like to claim it is.

I'll cite my sources for you:

Gamerankings - 87.95 % (PC)

Metacritic - 88/100 (PC)

These sites combine critical reviews with user reviews to reach their score.

Now, you'll probably go on to these sites, make an account, and give these games as many low scores as possible. Like with TV Tropes.

Could you go fetch the scores of a few recent BioWare games on those same sites for me?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Could you go fetch the scores of a few recent BioWare games on those same sites for me?

Sure thing.

Metacritic

Mass Effect 3: User Score 5/10

Dragon Age 2: User Score 4.3/10

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 17 décembre 2013 - 12:20 .

[David7204]

Are those scores from the same categories as the ones you listed earlier?

[Khayness]

Wow, this takes me back to when everyone was wearing those awesome Shepard Deserves Better Fans sigs and preaching the truth about BioWare's greatness.

[billy the squid]

David7204 wrote...

Yes, they probably did. That's how many people it takes to make a modern AAA video game.

Hahahaha, oh Dave you're a joke and a laughing stock, I love it when you post. It's like a little Christmas everytime you do.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Are those scores from the same categories as the ones you listed earlier?

Yep. These are the user reviews. Critical reviews are different for them of course. I did list you the user reviews in comparison.

I don't generally buy into critical reviews, though I will cite parts of articles I agree with. 

The masses are the best critics of all.

From the masses.

Metacritic

The Witcher 2: User Score 8.4/10

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 17 décembre 2013 - 12:25 .

[Dutchess]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Are those scores from the same categories as the ones you listed earlier?

Yep. These are the user reviews. Critical reviews are different for them of course. I did list you the user reviews in comparison.

I don't generally buy into critical reviews, though I will cite parts of articles I agree with. 

The masses are the best critics of all.

But I thought the masses were all spiteful. 

[Fast Jimmy]

David7204 wrote...

Perhaps it's not the best decision, Jimmy. But it's still a better decision than losing too much money to used games and 60 dollar price tags. Or letting quality slide.

DA2 was letting quality slide AND nickel-and-diming with D1DLC. 

You can't claim that side of the argument when your base product is rushed and shoddy, by even your own team's admission. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

renjility wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Are those scores from the same categories as the ones you listed earlier?

Yep. These are the user reviews. Critical reviews are different for them of course. I did list you the user reviews in comparison.

I don't generally buy into critical reviews, though I will cite parts of articles I agree with. 

The masses are the best critics of all.

But I thought the masses were all spiteful. 

We are. 

That's why we're so good. 

[David7204]

That's interesting. Because when I look at the website, it says the scores you claim are user reviews are actually critic reviews.

[David7204]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Perhaps it's not the best decision, Jimmy. But it's still a better decision than losing too much money to used games and 60 dollar price tags. Or letting quality slide.

DA2 was letting quality slide AND nickel-and-diming with D1DLC. 

You can't claim that side of the argument when your base product is rushed and shoddy, by even your own team's admission. 

Jimmy, that is really very ridiculous.

Surely you're able to grasp that there are other causes behind rushed and shoddy games than Day One DLC?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

That's interesting. Because when I look at the website, it says the scores you claim are user reviews are actually critic reviews.

Hmm.

Then I guess I was wrong.

I guess even the Critics think Mass Effect 3 is mediocre, and that DA2 is trash.

[David7204]

I had no idea a 93 was a mediocre score. What does that make the Witcher 2 at an 88, exactly?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

I had no idea a 93 was a mediocre score. What does that make the Witcher 2 at an 88, exactly?

I guess being sardonic doesn't work with you.

What's the user score for ME3? DA2?

Compare it with the user score for the Witcher 2.

I guarantee you did not look at the User Score for any of them.

I listed you the scores.

ME3 - 5/10

DA2 - 4.3/10

The Witcher 2 - 8.4/10.

[wolfhowwl]

Dragon Age 2 for PC on metacritic. Critics: 82/100 Users: 4.3/10

It deserved worse from the critics but still for a AAA game from a then prestigious developer with massive hype that was low.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 17 décembre 2013 - 12:40 .

[David7204]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I guess even the Critics think Mass Effect 3 is mediocre, and that DA2 is trash.

Critics score - 93%.

Modifié par David7204, 17 décembre 2013 - 12:38 .

[PanzerGr3nadier]

David7204 wrote...

I had no idea a 93 was a mediocre score. What does that make the Witcher 2 at an 88, exactly?

An Aryan masterpiece?

[Fast Jimmy]

David7204 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Perhaps it's not the best decision, Jimmy. But it's still a better decision than losing too much money to used games and 60 dollar price tags. Or letting quality slide.

DA2 was letting quality slide AND nickel-and-diming with D1DLC. 

You can't claim that side of the argument when your base product is rushed and shoddy, by even your own team's admission. 

Jimmy, that is really very ridiculous.

Surely you're able to grasp that there are other causes behind rushed and shoddy games than Day One DLC? 

Well, it's good I said nothing of the sort, then. 

Your argument that "D1DLC is the price we, as consumers, pay for high quality AAA games if we won't relinquish our $60 price tag" is flawed when the company in question is NOT releasing high quality games. I'm not blaming D1DLC for DA2's rushed schedule, but I am saying it is unacceptable to release a game full price that is of dubious quality and then to also try and gouge players for more content with the DLC's highly skewed price/content ratio scheme. 

[Skorm777]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I stopped reading when you implied the toxicity is a recent thing and not something that has been with this forum during its very inception.

I didn't imply it was a recent thing, only that it's recent since i've been frequenting. I had read the article about the developer saying he doesn't like browsing the forum anymore, and I began posting looking out for that. Within the past week or so I noticed the mood change, likely because hate breeds hate and someone started up the negative topics. 

Modifié par Skorm777, 17 décembre 2013 - 01:12 .

[Sanunes]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I had no idea a 93 was a mediocre score. What does that make the Witcher 2 at an 88, exactly?

I guess being sardonic doesn't work with you.

What's the user score for ME3? DA2?

Compare it with the user score for the Witcher 2.

I guarantee you did not look at the User Score for any of them.

I listed you the scores.

ME3 - 5/10

DA2 - 4.3/10

The Witcher 2 - 8.4/10.

I don't trust Metacritic for its too easy to upset the numbers for how many people voted about how bad a game is when they never even played it? That and people tend to play the game "lets sink the Metacritic score of this game because it made me mad".

I am not saying that people who voted enjoyed The Witcher 2 more, but I don't like Metacrtic's system for player input and take what is posted there the exact same way I take professional reviews.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I guess even the Critics think Mass Effect 3 is mediocre, and that DA2 is trash.

Critics score - 93%.

Was the word sardonic not clear enough for you.

I said user reviews.

Then you claimed critical reviews.

And I mocked your claim by stating that even the critics must think ME3 sucks. That's sardonic.

And now you're intentionally skewing the evidence I provide by willful ignorance. 

Willful ignorance doesn't win arguments David. You should probably stop being so. 

You do it with DA.

You're doing it now with the Witcher. You do it with just about everything in the media anyone else provides that proves you wrong.

Do you have some kind of god complex that makes it incomprehensible for you to be incorrect or something?

[Fast Jimmy]

EntropicAngel wrote...

...I kind of understand why Allan took a break. Wow, people.

I'd say that one of the greatest shortcomings of the BSN/forum format is that the devs don't have a more structured method of communicating and discussing amongst the fanbase without wandering into landmine conversations such as this is why devs like Mike, David, John and Allan are often rare occurrences... but that would be grossly off-topic.