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[Cody2Hottie]

since i've never finished the human noble i was thinking of playing him as a rogue but the thing is i enjoy roleplaying along with my characters i make otherwise i can't have fun with the character and end up quiting the whole thing

but for the life of me i can't think of why a human noble would become a rogue , this silver tongue noble who has everything would give that up to become a thief it doesn't make sense ?

and if i can figure out a good roleplay story for this which one should i be a straight up rogue or would it make sense if i was an archer since the human noble's mother is a archer and such?

Modifié par Cody2Hottie, 17 décembre 2013 - 08:06 .

[Phoenix_Fyre]

Me either. I make human PC's and scrap em LOL. I made a city elf, mage elf, female dwarf commoner, and started a male dalish rogue

I personally, roll my DC's and DE's as rouges for RP purposes

But that's just it. A human noble could view the lighter, quicker combat instead. Perhaps play your HN as a snarky, thief type. Plus, a HN Rouge needs to unlock all those doors in their own castle LOL.

an archer rogue is good too. Fergus to me seems the classic SnS type, and since the HN is younger, play them as the speedster

[metatheurgist]

Rogue != Thief. Rogue can be a scoundrel which fits perfectly with a noble. Rogue can also mean outsider, someone not following the rules which would also fit a rebellious young person trying to distance themselves from their family obligations.

And I have to take exception with your concept of nobles not stealing. Modern nobles are essentially rich people - people with "old money" and family lineages. If you check the paper sometime I'm sure you'll see plenty of stories where these people with everything going for them still managed to steal, murder, rape and commit various offences whether it's because they're greedy, entitled, or just plain stupid.

[Magdalena11]

I usually play my HN rogues as highwaymen/swashbuckler types, usually with an aggressive attitude. I mentally reason that the murder of my family and theft of my home and lands turns my character into a Robin Hood type. Isn't that the story of how he was supposed to have been outlawed?

[DeathScepter]

HN Rogues can be roleplay from shewed diplomats, politicans, assassins(revenge on Howe),Generally sneaky person, thieves and Yes Robin Hood.

[jros83]

No one ever said "rogue" absolutely must mean "thief."

In fact, I think the rogue class suits a human noble much better than any other class. Why? He has everything handed to him, so he has a bunch of time on his hands to perfect being a wise-@##, and to perfect being manipulative. Especially since he has an older brother who is expected to lead the family someday, so why not be carefree and roguish?

(oh sidenote/question: I own awakenings, and all ME's, why are they not showing? is it because this forum is ancient?)

Modifié par jros83, 07 janvier 2014 - 02:47 .

[Star fury]

Rendon Howe was a rogue(Not an inspiring example, I know). Or you can pretend your protagonist is somebody like Loki from MCU, who is the prince by the way.

[DeathScepter]

In RPing, Rogues are cunning people with useful skills that Warriors and Mages would lack. Loki is a good example of a Noble Rogue.

[Magdalena11]

EntropicAngel wrote...

jros83 wrote...

(oh sidenote/question: I own awakenings, and all ME's, why are they not showing? is it because this forum is ancient?)

You have to register them:

http://social.biowar...es_register.php

Edit: Hmm, it says you did. I don't know.

I thought that was what the gold origins shield meant.  Is this right?

On topic I like to have fun thinking of a reason my PC acts the way it does.  Perhaps a HN younger sibling might have whiled away the time before the trouble began exploring the dungeons beneath Highever discovering hidden secrets (lockpicking) and overcoming forgotten defenses (detect traps).  Perhaps the PC was gifted with sleight of hand and enjoyed entertaining visitors by pulling coins out their ears (pickpocket) or was a practical joker and took great glee out of popping out under Nan's nose to watch her jump (stealth.)

[KotorEffect3]

Scouts and rangers can fit a noble pretty well actually. I always play my nobles as warriors but rogue can fit pretty well if you think of it as a tactical choice

[Magdalena11]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Scouts and rangers can fit a noble pretty well actually. I always play my nobles as warriors but rogue can fit pretty well if you think of it as a tactical choice

Now you've done it.  I'm going to have to start another HN origin, this time as a archer/ranger.  

[KotorEffect3]

Both Rendon and Nathanial Howe, The Dwarven noble you have with you in Golems of Agmarrack (forget his name), Sebastian in DA 2 (the guy is friggin royalty) are all rogues. And those are ones I can think of just off the top of my head. There are probably more. Rogues are more than just thieves or whatever. I think of them as specialized agents that can be used for infiltration, sabotage,  information gathering, and combat support. If you look at his job description James Bond is a rogue.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 15 janvier 2014 - 01:40 .

[KotorEffect3]

Magdalena11 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Scouts and rangers can fit a noble pretty well actually. I always play my nobles as warriors but rogue can fit pretty well if you think of it as a tactical choice

Now you've done it.  I'm going to have to start another HN origin, this time as a archer/ranger.  

It is always good to have another excuse to do another run of DAO even 4 years later.  I am currently rolling with a City Elf DW rogue myself.

[Corker]

* Highever's men were sent out of Ostagar to scout; perhaps they're known for being good at it? Pup Cousland has been trained from a young age to lead a squad of men and women quietly through natural terrain. They're not meant to directly engage front line enemy fighters, but since they don't want to be defenseless, they focus on light weapons (daggers and bows). This character will have good Stealth, Dual-Weapon and/or Archery talents, and would look good with a Ranger spec.

* Pup Cousland has learned all about Antivan politics from Oriana, and decided that as the Couslands move into this wide world beyond Ferelden, it'll be good to have someone in the family who can operate on that level. All the classic rogue skills are fair game, and Assassin is a likely spec.

* It's good to be the younger child! Pup prefers playing to politics, and has a healthy appetite for inappropriate liaisons. Stealth for sneaking around behind spouses' backs, Deft Hands for getting back into someone else's room to get the incriminating evidence you accidentally left there, and Dirty Fighting so that in the inevitable confrontation, you can kick 'em in the nads and run to hide behind the Cousland shield. Bard spec.

* Playing up the Couslands' cosmopolitan foreign dabbling again, go Duelist. Lumbering clods in heavy plate, covered in mud and kaddis? Please. *Real* nobility is elegant and graceful at all times, even when cutting the foe to pieces. This one might skip the Deft Hands and Stealth trees, but still hit the Dirty Fighting and Below the Belt. It's not dirty fighting, it's just that I'm so much faster than you that you can't turn around to engage properly.

[mousestalker]

In addition to what Corker suggested, Daddy and Arl Howe are friends. Maybe they bonded over their similar fighting styles or they use the same trainers for their children.

[Fortlowe]

Examples of high born Rogues:

James Bond
Indiana Jones
Sherlock Holmes
The Three Muskateers
Bruce Wayne
Selena Kyle
Robinhood

A noble birthright does not preclude a roguish skillset.

Modifié par Fortlowe, 16 janvier 2014 - 07:38 .

[Star fury]

Fortlowe wrote...

Examples of high born Rogues:

The Three Muskateers

A noble birthright does not preclude a roguish skillset.

LMAO. No, they're not "rogues". You could call Chicot a rogue, but not musketeers. 

Fortlowe wrote...


Robinhood

A noble birthright does not preclude a roguish skillset.

Who? Or what? If you mean Robin Hood, he was a peasant in original folk legend and only Walter Scott made him a noble - Robin of Loxley. Pop culture and it's influence... 

[mousestalker]

If I have read the socialist historians correctly, most nobles were in fact 'rogues'.

[Corker]

Star fury wrote...

Fortlowe wrote...


Robinhood

A noble birthright does not preclude a roguish skillset.

Who? Or what? If you mean Robin Hood, he was a peasant in original folk legend and only Walter Scott made him a noble - Robin of Loxley. Pop culture and it's influence... 

But Fouke le Fitz Waryn (manuscript c. 1330), Hereward the Wake (an actual 11th cen outlaw with an entry in the Domesday book, his survivng romance dates to the 1300s) and Eustache the Monk (manuscript c. 1284, best pirate monk evar) follow the general outline of gentleman-become-outlaw. 

Robin Hood was only the latest in a centuries-long tradition of tales about English outlaws.  Pop culture and its influence... 

EDIT: And Robin's gentrifications started well before Sir Walter:

The sixteenth-century chroniclers are the first to give Robin Hood a raised social position and a historical setting which permits his resistance to authority to seem a form of noble behavior in both moral and social terms. This may be in part because Robin was in actuality being dignified: Hall's Chronicle tells of two occasions when
Henry VIII entered the tradition, once in 1510 when he and his friends played outlaws to excite the ladies, and then in 1515 when a formal Robin Hood pageant entertained the court as it was, very appropriately, passing up Shooters Hill (Knight, 1994, pp. 109–10).

The literary gentrification process took off in the 1590s when the booming London theater, hungry for new subjects, adapted the popular dramatic materials long associated with the hero. At first Robin was just used marginally as a filler in Peele's Edward I, where one scene is a Robin Hood play game, or as a defining alterity as in Greene's George a Greene, where Robin Hood, the possible rebel, plays second fiddle to George,
loyal to both king and town (Nelson, 1973). It was Anthony Munday, friend of Stow the historian, who conceived of the dramatic value of gentrification and told a tragedy of Robin which established the main features of the newly ennobled outlaw. His land is taken, just like that of King Richard and (as in the Gest), his reinstallation at court is only the prologue to his betrayal and death.

Source

Walter Scott may have been the first to align Robin Hood with Saxons resisting Normans instead of him being a supporter of the Angevin King Richard against his brother, King John.  It's been a while since I read Ivanhoe.

Modifié par Corker, 23 janvier 2014 - 06:16 .

[Randy1012]

When I saw that the Human Noble's mother (forgive me, I'm drawing a blank in regards to her name now) wielded a longbow, I figured it was a pretty easy leap from there that the Human Noble took after his/her mother in learning a more roguish style of combat--perhaps the mother was even the one who trained them to use a bow--while Fergus took after their father as a more traditional warrior.

[metatheurgist]

What?! Longbows are a Rogue thing now?

[Randy1012]

Eh, they kind of are in my mind. I know warriors can use them, too, but I've always equated archers with rogues. Just a personal preference.

[Mike3207]

Human Noble rogue has nothing on Dwarf Noble Rogue. You get asked if you're bringing a shield to the feast and this is even as a rogue. Very heavy emphasis on sword and board in that origin.