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[Cobra's_back]

Well the difference is that most likely this was the first time Aveline was hearing about this.  After all the guards that were suppressing the elves complaints to protect their friends would, naturally, not have let Aveline know about those complaints.  The whole object of not reporting was to cover up.  Aveline says in the seen that there have been rumors and that she will investigate.

 

In the magistrate situation, serial murderer in question had a magistrate as a father.  Thus, even though she may have been the captain of the guard, arresting him and bringing him in would just lead to more cover-ups since Aveline presumably is only in charge of arresting law-breakers, not judging them.  She already knows that this kid was given more leniency then he should have been given because of his father's position and he still managed to put other people's lives at risk. 

 

Basically the magistrate situation the injustice fell out of her ability to control.  But the complaints against the guards was very much in her jurisdiction.

 

I execute that serial killer. I think Isabela and Aveline gave me a positive for killing him.

[Lazy Jer]

I execute that serial killer. I think Isabela and Aveline gave me a positive for killing him.

 

Yeah, they do, or at least Aveline does.  My point is that she supports killing the serial killer because she knows that since his father is a magistrate that he most likely won't get the justice he deserves, and that the situation with the elves is different because she can investigate the claims of the elves against her guards because guard corruption is an internal matter with the city guard of Kirkwall.  That's why how the situations are different.

[Cobra's_back]

Yeah, they do, or at least Aveline does.  My point is that she supports killing the serial killer because she knows that since his father is a magistrate that he most likely won't get the justice he deserves, and that the situation with the elves is different because she can investigate the claims of the elves against her guards because guard corruption is an internal matter with the city guard of Kirkwall.  That's why how the situations are different.

 

Very good point.

[Althix]

she off scott free.

this is why i harbour a small hope that in DAI i will have a chance to end her.

[Beerfish]

The Arishok and Qunari  in general are massive hypocrites on just about anything they talk about.  They are the ultimate in 'don't do as we do, do as we say.'

 

The Arishok himself was an incompetent buffoon that drank too much from start to end.  The ones in the Qun that hand out tasks really screwed up when they appointed him the head.  He should have been made a baker or janitor or something more in line with his skill set.

[Althix]

Two people technically commit a crime against Kirkwall. Kirkwall demands extradition. Arishok says no, because f'ck you, you're not Qunari.

anyway. your assessment of the situation is, at best, mediocre. i think you should replay act 1/2.

[Halfdan The Menace]

Isabela has likewise committed a crime, having stolen the Tome of Koslun and is therefore responsible for every single death, be it human or Qunari in the years since. As a pirate, criminal and presumably not a full citizen of Kirkwall, she has absolutely no protection under the law of the land, so the Arishok is within his rights to ask for extradition into his custody.

If the Viscount had been asked to grant extradition and wasn't in the middle of his breakdown, he'd have likely handed her over in a second to appease the Arishok. The only person really getting angry over the Elf situation seems to be Aveline.

Giving Isabela to the Arishok, without knowing that she will escape, means sending her to forced labour, indoctrination and possibly condemn her to a life as qamek, a mindless worker. Knowing her weak willpower, she probably forced to accept the Qun.

It wasn't Isabella's fault that the ****** Patrice murdered the Viscount's son and constantly tried to provoke the Arishok and raise the people up against them. Arishok told us before the attack on Kirkwall that human laws don't apply to him. So why should Qunari law apply to humans?

[KaiserShep]

Giving Isabela to the Arishok, without knowing that she will escape, means sending her to forced labour, indoctrination and possibly condemn her to a life as qamek, a mindless worker. Knowing her weak willpower, she probably forced to accept the Qun.

It wasn't Isabella's fault that the ****** Patrice murdered the Viscount's son and constantly tried to provoke the Arishok and raise the people up against them. Arishok told us before the attack on Kirkwall that human laws don't apply to him. So why should Qunari law apply to humans?

 

And in the end, it wasn't even greed that compelled Isabela to steal that lousy tome in the first place, since she's only getting it to repay someone for freeing his slaves. Granted, it was still for a selfish reason, but wanting to live is a great deal different than wanting profits.

 

As for the qunari, all I can say is screw the qun, and their love of this stupid book. Whatever rights they think they may have regarding it is of no concern to me when it comes to using it as the basis for all of this fanatical religious nonsense and violence. If it was a possibility in the game, I would have killed the remaining qunari, and either locked the book away or put it in the fireplace. The one and only reason I support giving the book back is that other than not really having a choice in-game, further aggression is not really worth the trouble, since it's better to have them leave than to fight the whole lot of them over it.

[Sifr]

It wasn't Isabella's fault that the ****** Patrice murdered the Viscount's son and constantly tried to provoke the Arishok and raise the people up against them. Arishok told us before the attack on Kirkwall that human laws don't apply to him. So why should Qunari law apply to humans?

 

You raise a good point, but to repeat what I said several posts ago, no-one really cares about the Elves aside from Aveline and most of the Kirkwall nobility would probably have accepted that by seeking sanctuary under the Qun, they've got diplomatic immunity and can't be touched, because they desperately want to appease the Arishok. It's hypocritical of the Arishok to demand it, sure, but he's gotten use to no-one challenging him over semantics at this point.

 

The reason they want Isabela is because she stole their book, not because she incited anyone against them. They do have a genuine grievance against her and do have a good reason to ask for her extradition, which again, would probably normally have been granted since she's (probably) not a citizen and the nobles desperately want to appease the Arishok. Again, hypocritical, but I can't see it being challenged.

 

It's Aveline and Hawke who point out precisely what you said. If the Arishok wants Isabela so badly, he'll have to play by his own rules and hand over the Elves. But since he's not going to do that, they have to resolve it a different way, hence the duel.

 

Really, it's just a long game of both sides trying to Rules Lawyer the other.

[metalfenix]

As much as I like the arishok, and his honesty, as a mage hawke, I would never hand one of my companions to him. The moment he knows about my hawke being a bas saarebas, he will kill him anyway.

 

I'm still playing the act 1 on nightmare..but oh boy, that battle with him on act 2 on nightmare will be one to remember.

[KaiserShep]

Regardless of class, I would never hand any of the companions over to him. Besides, it's so much better when Hawke says "Alright, let's dance."

[SerCambria358]

The Arishok and Qunari  in general are massive hypocrites on just about anything they talk about.  They are the ultimate in 'don't do as we do, do as we say.'

 

The Arishok himself was an incompetent buffoon that drank too much from start to end.  The ones in the Qun that hand out tasks really screwed up when they appointed him the head.  He should have been made a baker or janitor or something more in line with his skill set.

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