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Talon Merc Robin Hood build. (how I play the Talon Merc w/o Cain Mines, videos included)


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Evil Mastered wrote...

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Multiplicative.  Peddro tested this a while back

Thanks for the correction.

That makes it 133.6 points per arrow, at 26.7 points per arrow per second on my build.

That's 801.6 points against everything as a 5 second DoT (160.3 points per second) vs 840 vs armour only, but instantly.

Not so clear cut a choice...

I'm impatient and over-aggressive when I play, so I'll probably stick with the AP evo, but a hit & run playstyle would likely favour the bleed evo.

EDIT: Does this mean that the other DoT evo's on other powers, such as frag grenades and incinerate are multiplicative too, or is the talon an exception?


The Kalence numbers are wrong but for argument's sake, let's take 267 at rank 4 (from your Kalence numbers)
If you take Shred, additional damage is 267 X 50% = 133.5 against all enemies over 5 seconds
If you take Armor Damage, additional damage is 267 X 35% = 93.5 against armored units only + armor weakening of 50% against weapons

(The numbers above are wrong because they do not take into account other multipliiers.  They are just to illustrate Shred does more damage)

fyi, AP arrows does 1.5 multiplicative against armored units and Shotgun Omniblade adds 1.5 multiplicative to AP arrows (not just melee)
if you take Shred, against armored targets, the damage would be total additive damage *1.5 *1.5 *1.5 and against non-armored targets, would be total additive damage *1.5 *1.5
If you take Armor Damage, against armored targets, the damage would be total additive damage *1.5
*1.5 *1.35 and against non-armored targets, the damage would be *1.5 *1.35

In addition to the AP component, you add the melee component to get the total damage done.
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IamZAE wrote...

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dumdum2 wrote...

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Ok i will make a cain mine guide video this weekand.... but beware my playstyle with the talon and my method of doing things are highly unorthodox to compensate for playing with plat pugs. would you guys rather me solo gold or plat or play a plat game with 3 randoms?


Salmon just finished a Platinum solo with the Omni-Bow and I believe he is uploading it now. Just wanted to put that here since some people might be interested to watch it when it's up Image IPB


I look forward to watching that video. :)




im making a thread im uploading one now


Good, because with Salmon's crappy Internet it usually takes him at least 24 hours to upload something like that :D

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I feel like I should share something I discovered recently.

Concussive Arrows are extremely effective vs Geth Bombers. The Force from the arrows will prevent the Geth Bomber from dodging. This means you can hit it with every arrow and a Graal shot.

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ArgentN7 wrote...

I feel like I should share something I discovered recently.

Concussive Arrows are extremely effective vs Geth Bombers. The Force from the arrows will prevent the Geth Bomber from dodging. This means you can hit it with every arrow and a Graal shot.


Or just use a cain mine and KILL THEM ALL.

L2Cain Mine babby

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If I wanted to do that I'd missle glitch, both of those cover the same general purpose.

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ArgentN7 wrote...

I feel like I should share something I discovered recently.

Concussive Arrows are extremely effective vs Geth Bombers. The Force from the arrows will prevent the Geth Bomber from dodging. This means you can hit it with every arrow and a Graal shot.



Was noticing that myself when trying this build the last week. Figured it was common knowledge since I'm behind the curve on most things in this game.

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I usually just used the AP arrows because they had Armor lol

It's nice to see that Concussive Arrows have yet another use. :)

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ArgentN7 wrote...

If I wanted to do that I'd missle glitch, both of those cover the same general purpose.


How so?

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IamZAE wrote...

ArgentN7 wrote...

If I wanted to do that I'd missle glitch, both of those cover the same general purpose.


How so?


Killing everything by yourself with little effort sort of falls into the same category.

Just one is legitimate and the other is a glitch.

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ArgentN7 wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

ArgentN7 wrote...

If I wanted to do that I'd missle glitch, both of those cover the same general purpose.


How so?


Killing everything by yourself with little effort sort of falls into the same category.

Just one is legitimate and the other is a glitch.

lol, well you were kinda killing everything in that Geth/Jade match last night. lolol God that match was pretty annoying. <_<

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I'm so sick of Geth Platinum to the point where when I see Collectors I think to myself. "Oh good, a nice relaxing match."

Modifié par ArgentN7, 20 janvier 2014 - 04:08 .


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Updated OP with video from SNOWPIERCER. :)

Thanks Slim! :D
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Updated OP with video from SNOWPIERCER. :)

Thanks Slim! :D

 

I think there needs to be a disclaimer to that video that says "how not to play the Batarian Soldier" as well.  :P

 

I'd be happy to bleed out in a game sometime to get your PoV the whole time if you want. I need to L2P the Robin Hood build somehow anyways.  ;)



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I think there needs to be a disclaimer to that video that says "how not to play the Batarian Soldier" as well.  :P
 
I'd be happy to bleed out in a game sometime to get your PoV the whole time if you want. I need to L2P the Robin Hood build somehow anyways.  ;)


That would be awesome!

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That would be awesome!

 

I can try soon, but I have been having issues with my Xbox freezing lately (4 times in the last 2 days). Hopefully I can manage a full game to get your gameplay recorded when you are ready.



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I can try soon, but I have been having issues with my Xbox freezing lately (4 times in the last 2 days). Hopefully I can manage a full game to get your gameplay recorded when you are ready.


I was there for one of those freezes. lol Sounds great to me!

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As a student of the Cain-less Talon, that gameplay would be a fun watch. I've played without Cain a lot and I've gotten a little better with it, but not nearly at Argent's level yet.

Looking forward to that gameplay without having to bleed out myself to watch it!

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Just gave an Omnibow build a shot, and I actually enjoy the Talon for once. I am now a believer.



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Updated OP with Condor/Collector/Platinum feat. me0120, Kocka007, and Slimjim.

Thanks me0 and Kocka for helping with the video, and a special thanks to SlimJim who was the Volus Spectator! lol
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Sounds boring.

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There is an error with the link to the new video in the OP Argent. 

 

Edit: NM, it is there now. 



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Gross! Needs more Cain Mines!

 

 

... I'm serious btw. I even have my serious face on...

 

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Nah, I'll watch it later. :)



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I did finally try your build. You were there, you know this, and I will give you kudos for it as it actually made the Talon at least a little fun for me.

That button swap that Biower pulled on me for this kit though is a pretty immediate turn off, as I hate using the triggers to aim and shoot ;(

Nice though, Ari :)

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Thanks Limbs! :3

I'm glad you enjoy the Talon Merc, even if it's just a little bit. :P

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on the issue of 5a vs 5b for AP arrows ..

Both are multiplicative but

5b only works vs armor (instant damage - you might want that dragoon near you dropped now not 2 seconds later)
5a works vs everything (but has DOT component, will do more damage in the end (5 seconds) even vs armor)

Those are based test results - I didn't have much success playing the class :) ..
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