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[Basher of Glory]

Mitridathes wrote...

Baher of Glory, I get the feeling that your perfect leader is incredible unsure of himself... if he have to keep constant focus on not doing anything wrong... then how do he get any leading done at all?

I know its a silly question... but in our history we have Sheppard... he or she is a leader that by leading the crew through all the hardship have earned their respect and devotion... he or she should not have to be constant concerned with how the crew judges his latest actions. Unles he start killing babies, im pretty sure the crew will think along these lines

Okay... he had fun with a crewmember, they love each other.. but still not the smartest thing to do... that leave him at a score of 120 good things done.. and 1 bad deed... I think I will keep trusting him

The crew follow Sheppard due to personality and what he have done trough the game so far. I am pretty sure that if a relatively minor transgression as this could shake the foundation of that trust enough to even matter... Then the shaken crewmember would have balked before they leave The Citadel after returning from Virmire.

So we are in a situation where Sheppard and pretty much the rest of the crew have placed the cause of saving the universe higher than they former affiliation with the alliance. And in that situation I personally don´t see anything wrong with a leader that seek comfort with a loved crewmember...

Who knows... there could be other pairs all around Normandy that also fall into each others arms for a short mnoment of comfort and safety... they have just thrown all of their former life away on a belief that they do the right thing... and even if you believe in the cause strongly enough to take the gamble... then im pretty sure you would still need the comfort after making that kind of choice.

Well, you are more approximate to the truth than you might think.

Let's start with one - for my life important  - theorem:

The one who thinks to BE something has stopped to BECOME something.

I guess, this is self-explanatory.


In a seminar the trainer asked:
All our top leaders, are they either
a) ruthless egomaniacs, arguing rather with their elbows than with words
or are they
Highly sensitive, empathic persons, always scanning the surroundings for these "vibrations", always raising themselves to question

The answer was , based on a result of a research group, which analyzed the major characteristics of leading personnel.

Of course you will find the "I'm the greatest and anybody who is not with me is against me"-type of boss, but empirically these careers are mostly short and end unpleasantly.

A last example associated with the research group's work:
They asked a very successful top-notch manager about his thoughts, right after he wakes up. The answer was amazing:
"I am scared, because I know nothing and I am not able to do anything meaningful."
Of course the interviewer pressed on this and asked, how a man who thinks in these ways about himself can be the CEO of one of the world's leading technology companies. The man answered
"Well, with these thoughts in mind, I start every day ready to learn, so that I can do better than yesterday."

I'm aware, that leaders like this are unfortunately the exception.
But now I can use the argument of many posters in this thread:
ME is a game, which gives us the options to develop "our" Shepard in many directions.
In one of my games he is the incarnation of paragonism, 'nuff said

Modifié par Baher of Glory, 25 janvier 2010 - 01:49 .

[Mitridathes]

It might just be me.. but I cant really see how your latest post is in any way related to if a in game romance is professional or not. You are talking about the theories behind leading on such an abstract level that it hardly have anything to do with leading a squad, or ship, of people into battle.

My personal view of a professional person is one that get what ever job he or she is assigned, done as fast as possible, with as little waste of resources as possible. And utilizes his or her tools to the max of the posible. And at least from that point of view the simple act of having the romance will press you on and give you another incentive to fight. So hence I would postulate that following the romance you burn more for doing the job to the utmost of your abilities.. and is therefore more professional.. or at least.. the end result could be better than without the romance

Modifié par Mitridathes, 25 janvier 2010 - 04:39 .

[TWBuck]

Ha wow, big topic! my group is compiling a fake file on sheps romances. Its pretty funny/interesting so far.

[Basher of Glory]

Mitridathes wrote...

.. but I cant really see how your latest post is in any way related to if a in game romance is professional or not.

It's ok, if you have this impression.

The romance-thing is just one of many avoidable distractions.

It MIGHT be, like you wrote, but it MIGHT be different.

A leader tries to eliminate all "pehaps", "it might..." and other uncertainties beforehand.

I admit, the entire discussion might be a bit too abstract.

[pryingopen3rdi]

Having served in the military I can tell you that the fact that it's against the rules for Officers and Enlisted to fraternize is often ignored. I can recall a story one of my NCO's told me about how they had to bail out the back window of a female Lt's house to avoid getting caught. Anyway it's not like everything Sheppard does is by the books anyway. I played as renegade my second time through, killed the council, wiped out the colony on..I think it was Feros. Killed the Thorian, killed the Rachyni....and did just about everything you really shouldn't be allowed to do.

[Basher of Glory]

pryingopen3rdi wrote...

Having served in the military I can tell you that the fact that it's against the rules for Officers and Enlisted to fraternize is often ignored. I can recall a story one of my NCO's told me about how they had to bail out the back window of a female Lt's house to avoid getting caught. Anyway it's not like everything Sheppard does is by the books anyway. I played as renegade my second time through, killed the council, wiped out the colony on..I think it was Feros. Killed the Thorian, killed the Rachyni....and did just about everything you really shouldn't be allowed to do.

Hehe... even bad guys can be good leaders

BTW, you wrote "killed the Thorian". In all my games I've not found any other solution. Is there really the option to not kill him?

[Zaxares]

Off-topic, but I'm actually convinced that the Thorian is not dead. It's tendrils extend across much of the surface of lower Feros. You may have killed a central node, but if you listen to the Asari Clone's dialogue when you first meet the Thorian, it hints that this is actually not the ONLY node that exists.

Furthermore, what about all those people infected with the spores? Just because the Thorian itself may be dead, that doesn't mean that the spores suddenly disappear from their brains. We know nothing about the Thorian's life cycle; for all we know, those spores are just dormant, waiting for a chance to sprout into new Thorians once the host dies.

Finally, considering that Asari can copy the genetic data from beings they meld with, if you let Shiala live on Feros, who's to say that she might not one day produce a child with the knowledge/abilities of the Thorian?

... Now THAT would be one creepy child.

[Series5Ranger]

Apophis2412 wrote...

One thing I dodn't understand that if it is unprofessional for Shepherd to start a relationship with Kaiden/Ashley/Liara, why people are okay with romances in the other BW games.

Isn't the Warden romancing Alistair or Leliana just as unprofessional?

See in Dragon Age, you aren't technically a Soldier. Grey Wardens come from all Walks of life. Some are Soldiers, yes but the Wardens aren't a Strict Military group per se. They are more like an organization, a military one, yes, but the rules seem to be a bit more relaxed. (Except for the whole "Drink or Die!" mentality during the ritual )

[Series5Ranger]

Zaxares wrote...

Off-topic, but I'm actually convinced that the Thorian is not dead. It's tendrils extend across much of the surface of lower Feros. You may have killed a central node, but if you listen to the Asari Clone's dialogue when you first meet the Thorian, it hints that this is actually not the ONLY node that exists.
Furthermore, what about all those people infected with the spores? Just because the Thorian itself may be dead, that doesn't mean that the spores suddenly disappear from their brains. We know nothing about the Thorian's life cycle; for all we know, those spores are just dormant, waiting for a chance to sprout into new Thorians once the host dies.
Finally, considering that Asari can copy the genetic data from beings they meld with, if you let Shiala live on Feros, who's to say that she might not one day produce a child with the knowledge/abilities of the Thorian?
... Now THAT would be one creepy child.

Well there is no GENETIC transfer when an Asari produces a Child. From What I understand. They tap into the Collective Unconcious of any species they mate with, and transfer that potential to their daughters. That's why pure blood Asari are frowned upon, since they add nothing to the racial memories of their species.

[Damather]

That is why I let Ashley go boom, and went with Liara. Regs against fraternization are part of that choice.

[spg007]

C'mon if you can shoot someone cos you feel like it and not get punished.why can't you sleep with your crew member?

[Basher of Glory]

spg007 wrote...

C'mon if you can shoot someone cos you feel like it and not get punished.why can't you sleep with your crew member?

A true paragon leader does not shoot someone "'cos he felt like it".