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[angol fear]

crimzontearz wrote...

Yep....ART is death, pain and ambiguity at best.

Maybe you should learn a little about art instead of saying again and again the same ridiculous things about it.

[crimzontearz]

Maybe you should learn a little about art instead of saying again and again the same ridiculous things about it.

I might stop once Bioware stop using that as a defense for their minimalistic approach and delivery, until then..

Nope

[David7204]

You've got a good point with really, really crap arguments.

Nobody is going to listen to you if you all have is 'I want my happy ending." Which is all I've really ever seen from you.

Modifié par David7204, 23 décembre 2013 - 04:47 .

[eyezonlyii]

The least they could have done was show his/her face as they gasped. Seeing the headless horseman does not inspire hope.

[angol fear]

crimzontearz wrote...

Maybe you should learn a little about art instead of saying again and again the same ridiculous things about it.

I might stop once Bioware stop using that as a defense for their minimalistic approach and delivery, until then..

Nope

No, their approch is clearly an artistic research. Even minimalism is an aesthetic (while for Mass Effect it clearly isn't minimalism). You may dislike it, you have the right to dislike it, but when you make fun of art, you are making yourself ridiculous and what you say can't be taken seriously because of these jokes.

[David7204]

eyezonlyii wrote...

The least they could have done was show his/her face as they gasped. Seeing the headless horseman does not inspire hope.

Have you considered that there's a reason why they didn't do that? 

[dreamgazer]

Oh, lord. The art argument.

[KaiserShep]

The constant use of "art" as a means for ridicule makes me wonder if some have forgotten that this is, after all, a creative work and a company that distributes a creative work must defend it on that basis. If someone at BioWare wants to pull a Michael Madsen or Robert Pattinson and dump all over Mass Effect 3 like he did with movies they've been in, that's his/her prerogative, but BioWare certainly can't do that officially, or defend it like it's some kind of productivity software suite.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 23 décembre 2013 - 05:01 .

[dreamgazer]

KaiserShep wrote...

The constant use of "art" as a means for ridicule makes me wonder if people have forgotten that this is, after all, a creative work.

Makes you wonder what the past two years would've looked like had they simply used "creative integrity" in that one blog response, which is what they truly meant. 

[David7204]

BioWare had really said nothing about 'art' either way. So this entire spiel is completely the fault of fans, and any ideas that BioWare has said something about 'art' either way are just delusions.

Modifié par David7204, 23 décembre 2013 - 05:02 .

[dreamgazer]

I don't make fun of the "games are art" or "Mass Effect is art" arguments, whatsoever.

The art discussion as it pertains to ME3, however, has long turned ridiculous on here.

[eyezonlyii]

David7204 wrote...

eyezonlyii wrote...

The least they could have done was show his/her face as they gasped. Seeing the headless horseman does not inspire hope.

Have you considered that there's a reason why they didn't do that? 

Of course I considered it, and I came to the conclusion that (for me at least) it would have been better if they showed Shepard's face. Maybe he still dies, maybe not, but it would bring much more closure to that scene.

[David7204]

See, you saying "The least they could have done" makes it sound like you think BioWare wanted to show Shepard's face and thought it was a good idea, but just decided not to because such a five second scene was too much work or something.

Which would be foolish.

Modifié par David7204, 23 décembre 2013 - 05:07 .

[Iakus]

dreamgazer wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

The constant use of "art" as a means for ridicule makes me wonder if people have forgotten that this is, after all, a creative work.

Makes you wonder what the past two years would've looked like had they simply used "creative integrity" in that one blog response, which is what they truly meant. 

There's be mocking of how the pseudointellectual reasoning of the Catalyst and the forced tragedy isn't really all that "creative".

So very little would have changed.

[eyezonlyii]

David7204 wrote...

See, you saying "The least they could have done" makes it sound like you think BioWare wanted to show Shepard's face and thought it was a good idea, but just decided not to because such a five second scene was too much work or something.

Which would be foolish.

No what is sounds like I'm saying is they wanted to have an ending where Shepard may not have died, but decided to still keep it very ambiguous. 

[KaiserShep]

iakus wrote...

There's be mocking of how the
pseudointellectual reasoning of the Catalyst and the forced tragedy
isn't really all that "creative".

So very little would have changed.

Whether or not you believe these elements of the story are creative has no bearing on the product in its entirety being a "creative work". Let's not get this twisted.

Even Uwe Boll's movies, which I consider to be malignant tumors captured on film, are creative works.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 23 décembre 2013 - 05:12 .

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

The constant use of "art" as a means for ridicule makes me wonder if people have forgotten that this is, after all, a creative work.

Makes you wonder what the past two years would've looked like had they simply used "creative integrity" in that one blog response, which is what they truly meant. 

There's be mocking of how the pseudointellectual reasoning of the Catalyst and the forced tragedy isn't really all that "creative".

So very little would have changed.

Not sure if you seriously believe that or not. It would have completely altered the conversation.

[David7204]

More or less. Showing that Shepard is definitively alive with a clear 'happy' ending would have sent too strong of a message that Destroy is the 'right' choice. And that's clearly something they wanted to avoid.

A stupid decision? Maybe. But no result of laziness. Well, not with the Extended Cut, at least.

[crimzontearz]

No, their approch is clearly an artistic research. Even minimalism is an aesthetic (while for Mass Effect it clearly isn't minimalism). You may dislike it, you have the right to dislike it, but when you make fun of art, you are making yourself ridiculous and what you say can't be taken seriously because of these jokes.

I am making fun of their stance not of art. Get it right

Also, the ending WAS minimalist especially the OE, and the breath scene is STILL minimalist in its delivery, which as you said is in contrast with the rest of the ME's approach which makes it all the more aggravating.

You've got a good point with really, really crap arguments.

Nobody is going to listen to you if you all have is 'I want my happy ending." Which is all I've really ever seen from you.

I want an option for it as well, or else there us no.point for me to play the game.

Some features are make or break for ne, this is one.

[Iakus]

David7204 wrote...

eyezonlyii wrote...

The least they could have done was show his/her face as they gasped. Seeing the headless horseman does not inspire hope.

Have you considered that there's a reason why they didn't do that? 

Honestly I have no idea what was going through their heads. 

I have no idea how anything past "You did good" escaped being laughed out of the writer's pit. 

I have no idea why they thought forcing even more tragedy in the closing minutes of an already dark game was a good idea. 


I have no idea why they thought people wouldn't mind being forced to watch their avatar into the trilogy whom they had been playing for five years burn for intellectually and morally dubious reasons.

I have no idea why they couldn't add a rescue scene (which both ME1 and ME2 had), or to show Shepard's face, or have Shepard speak, stand up, wake up in a hospital.  Or include Shepard at the memorial scene. 

All I can think of is apathy or petulance.  I'd hate to think it's either.

[Steelcan]

Seems to me that they didn't show his face because they wanted a cop out for those who really wanted Shepard dead.

Now they can say he might be dead he might not be.

Though the intent of the scene seems pretty clear to me

[KaiserShep]

StreetMagic wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Even Uwe Boll's movies, which I consider to be malignant tumors captured on film, are creative works.

OK, that's going too far, man. I might as well as say GG Allin's butt naked sh!t smearing performances were artistic too.

Hey, not all art is good, man. Just look at M. Night Shyamalan's The Last Airbender. It's a cinematic abortion having the most boring conniption fit ever.