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[crimzontearz]

It's subjective, all the logic and good writing in the world is not going to make me like a downer ending

[Eryri]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I'll take that if you ask me. Good emotional payoff allows me to bear with other shortcomings

I prefer more logic to my endings, not more magic fairies appearing out of nowhere to make everything better without reason. Plenty of other films with happy endings have failed miserably.

I agree to a point. I suppose it depends on how skillfully it's handled. Films like the Avengers are still satisfying despite being a load of old nonsense when looked at rationally. Perhaps because of the quality of other elements such as humour and characterization.
My ideal ending would be both logically satisfying and emotionally uplifting, but I'll usually settle for daft but happy if it's all that's on offer. Next down the list would be a logically consistent but depressing ending. Finally, the worst of all possible worlds would be something that makes no sense, but is still a downer. Which unfortunately is largely what we got.

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

It's subjective, all the logic and good writing in the world is not going to make me like a downer ending

That's unfortunate, because a lot of the very best fiction in creation has "downer" endings, from Shakespearean tragedies to modern epics and morally-gray TV series.

[crimzontearz]

That's unfortunate, because a lot of the very best fiction in creation has "downer" endings, from Shakespearean tragedies to modern epics and morally-gray TV series.

Best? Best meaning what? Critically acclaimed? Well received by the public? Financially successful?

How does ANY of that have ANY bearing on what I enjoy as my entertainment? For that matter why would my preference be unfortunate when I have the ability to " consume" only the products that match my tastes?

I do not like downer endings us the same as saying I do not like cinnamon, saying that us unfortunate is silly in both cases.

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

Best? Best meaning what? Critically acclaimed? Well received by the public? Financially successful?

All of that, actually.

How does ANY of that have ANY bearing on what I enjoy as my entertainment? For that matter why would my preference be unfortunate when I have the ability to " consume" only the products that match my tastes?

Because you're missing out on some of our culture's quality productions by taking that narrow stance. Fiction isn't only about gratification; it's also about complicated emotions and challenging the audience. 

[Zazzerka]

crimzontearz wrote...

Best? Best meaning what? Critically acclaimed? Well received by the public? Financially successful?

How does ANY of that have ANY bearing on what I enjoy as my entertainment? For that matter why would my preference be unfortunate when I have the ability to " consume" only the products that match my tastes?

I do not like downer endings us the same as saying I do not like cinnamon, saying that us unfortunate is silly in both cases.

It isn't silly. Downer endings work very well for a large number of people, which means you'll be more likely to see them in new works of fiction. This is unfortunate for you, as it will shrink the pool of games you can choose from.

Also, cinnamon toast is delicious, weirdo.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 24 décembre 2013 - 03:58 .

[crimzontearz]

Because you're missing out on some of our culture's quality productions by taking that narrow stance. Fiction isn't only about gratification; it's also about complicated emotions and challenging the audience.

to you, not to me. I have a very utilitarian view of it, if it does not please me there is NO reason for me to consume it as it does not entertain me. I will MORE THAN GLADLY restrict my entertainment pool to only that which I find entertaining, just as I do with food. If that means spoiling myself before a purchase so be it.

It isn't silly. Downer endings work very well for a large number of people, which means you'll be more likely to see them in new works of fiction. This is unfortunate for you, as it will shrink the pool of games you can choose from.

Also, cinnamon toast is delicious, weirdo.

No, I will not as I will willfully not consume such products, simple as that.

Also, I was using it as an example

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote...

That's unfortunate, because a lot of the very best fiction in creation has "downer" endings, from Shakespearean tragedies to modern epics and morally-gray TV series

Best? Best meaning what? Critically acclaimed? Well received by the public? Financially successful?

All of the above, but especially the first and third.

How does ANY of that have ANY bearing on what I enjoy as my entertainment? For that matter why would my preference be unfortunate when I have the ability to " consume" only the products that match my tastes?

I do not like downer endings us the same as saying I do not like cinnamon, saying that us unfortunate is silly in both cases.

It's unfortunate for you to dislike something when you've got a good chance of running into it in the future, isn't it? I suppose you can get spoilers for everything first, though. Did you once say that you watch vids of a game before playing it, or am I thinking of someone else?

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 décembre 2013 - 04:10 .

[CaIIisto]

dreamgazer wrote...
Because you're missing out on some of our culture's quality productions by taking that narrow stance. Fiction isn't only about gratification; it's also about complicated emotions and challenging the audience. 

Possibly, but personal preference is hard to set aside sometimes. I wanted to see the Stephen King movie The Mist, until I accidentally got spoiled on the ending. Now I have no desire to see it at all, no matter what the creative merits of the rest of the movie might be.

Of course narratively, the journey is as important as the destination, but let's be fair, if you know it's heading somewhere you're not going to like then it's hardly surprising that someone might not want to even bother.

I don't have a prblem with 'downer' endings tbh, but there are certain things that will instantly turn me off something. If 'downer' endings does that for him, then I can appreciate that.

[crimzontearz]

It's unfortunate for you to dislike something when you've got a good chance of running into it in the future, isn't it? I suppose you can get spoilers for everything first, though. Did you once say that you watch vids of a game before playing it, or am I thinking of someone else?

watch vids no, get full spoilers? Yes.

Yes that is objectively unfortunate were I to run into one unknowingly but my preference and choice if consumption per se is not

[Zazzerka]

crimzontearz wrote...

watch vids no, get full spoilers? Yes.

Damn. You've got the wrong hobby.

[crimzontearz]

Damn. You've got the wrong hobby.

An example, I thought Crytek might kill off Prophet in Crysis 3 (they are dicks that way). So I waited, got full spoilers, then played the game once I was sure it had the requisites to please me and lived it


Same with halo 4


How exactly do I have the wrong hobby again?

[Zazzerka]

crimzontearz wrote...

How exactly do I have the wrong hobby again?

I guess if you enjoy doing it that way, then I can't argue, but it's like skipping to the last page of The Deathly Hallows to see if Harry and Voldemort finally fuck.

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

Because you're missing out on some of our culture's quality productions by taking that narrow stance. Fiction isn't only about gratification; it's also about complicated emotions and challenging the audience.

to you, not to me. I have a very utilitarian view of it, if it does not please me there is NO reason for me to consume it as it does not entertain me. I will MORE THAN GLADLY restrict my entertainment pool to only that which I find entertaining, just as I do with food. If that means spoiling myself before a purchase so be it.

More power to you, hoss: it's your preference. But there's a world of exceptionally well-written and captivating stuff out there that won't fit within your restrictions, and there's a reason why it gets produced, absorbed, and acclaimed. 

Also, just as you can't sample every piece of food, you can't get the full experience from spoilers.  Upbeat endings can be, and often are, shitty; downer endings can be, and frequently are, brilliant.

[crimzontearz]

If I was into Harry Potter I would likely have done that too....

Also...ew

[Zazzerka]

So you already knew that Bruce Willis was dead?

Modifié par Zazzerka, 24 décembre 2013 - 04:26 .

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote...

Yes that is objectively unfortunate were I to run into one unknowingly but my preference and choice if consumption per se is not

As long as you're fully spoiled I guess your chances of surprise are minimsl.

Why'd you play ME3?

[crimzontearz]

More power to you, hoss: it's your preference. But there's a world of exceptionally well-written and captivating stuff out there that won't fit within your restrictions, and there's a reason why it gets produced, absorbed, and acclaimed.

Also, just as you can't sample every piece of food, you can't get the full experience from spoilers. Upbeat endings can be, and often are, ****ty; downer endings can be, and frequently are, brilliant.

All the skill, presentation and and finesse in the world is not going to change the fact that there is cinnamon on these hypothetical cannoli, and while I do recognize that they ARE extremely well crafted pieces if food I will not consume them as I hate cinnamon with a passion. A less flawlessly prepared batch without cinnamon I would consume as long as something else was not horribly wrong with it (spoiled ricotta for instance) as I would be more inclined to forgive its technical flaws.

[Zazzerka]

I hate onions in most food, but I don't mind onion rings. So maybe if you found a game where the downer ending was covered in beer batter and deep-fried, you'd be able to appreciate it, even if you hate it in most other circumstances.

[crimzontearz]

So you already knew that Bruce Willis was dead?

Yep....also, you saw it coming a mile away just like the identity of the wolf in that red riding hood movie

As long as you're fully spoiled I guess your chances of surprise are minimsl.

Why'd you play ME3?

Convergence of factors. I foolishly assumed, given ME1&2, Bioware would not kick me in the quad at the end, Brenon hinted at a fourth ending (he did not know Preston was referring to the breath scene).