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[Zazzerka]

StreetMagic wrote...

Never deny a cannoli. That's going too far, man.

Wait, they're those crispy Italian things filled with cream, right? I had one of those at a party and it was delicious...

WHAT THE FUCK, CRIMSONTEARZ

[AlanC9]

dreamgazer wrote...
More power to you, hoss: it's your preference. But there's a world of exceptionally well-written and captivating stuff out there that won't fit within your restrictions, and there's a reason why it gets produced, absorbed, and acclaimed. 

The problem with this argument is that it could be applied to disliking anything whatsoever, couldn't it?Anyone who dislikes something would receive more utility if he liked more stuff. Especially popular stuff that he might run into by accident.

I'm not saying it isn't true, but saying crimsontearz would be better off if he liked downer endings is like saying that I'd be better off if I liked, say, Kanye West.

[crimzontearz]

I hate onions in most food, but I don't mind onion rings. So maybe if you found a game where the downer ending was covered in beer batter and deep-fried, you'd be able to appreciate it, even if you hate it in most other circumstances.

Halo 4 kinda did that but it us not exactly a downer ending, of course I am still getting full spoilers and decide whether the game is worth consuming or not, simple as that

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote...
Convergence of factors. I foolishly assumed, given ME1&2, Bioware would not kick me in the quad at the end, Brenon hinted at a fourth ending (he did not know Preston was referring to the breath scene).

Oh.... so the spoilers failed you because ypu were expecting an ending DLC? Puzzle Theory? IT? Something else?

[crimzontearz]

Wait, they're those crispy Italian things filled with cream, right? I had one of those at a party and it was delicious...

WHAT THE ****, CRIMSONTEARZ

real cannoli are not filled with cream but ricotta cheese sweet cherries, sugar and vanilla extract.....

Again, just an example

[crimzontearz]

Oh.... so the spoilers failed you because ypu were expecting an ending DLC? Puzzle Theory? IT? Something else?

brenon Holmes messaged me hinting at a 4th non sacrifical ending.....which never made it in the game tho

[dreamgazer]

AlanC9 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...
More power to you, hoss: it's your preference. But there's a world of exceptionally well-written and captivating stuff out there that won't fit within your restrictions, and there's a reason why it gets produced, absorbed, and acclaimed. 

The problem with this argument is that it could be applied to disliking anything whatsoever, couldn't it?Anyone who dislikes something would receive more utility if he liked more stuff. Especially popular stuff that he might run into by accident.

I'm not saying it isn't true, but saying crimsontearz would be better off if he liked downer endings is like saying that I'd be better off if I liked, say, Kanye West.

While true, to a degree, there's a difference between preference of genre and preference of how pieces of fiction end. I'd be better off if I liked more musicals and classic westerns, too. Not really the same thing. 

StreetMagic wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Upbeat endings can be, and often are, shitty

Not really. 

-snip-

Sorry, but I strongly disagree. Just as people gripe about the issues with ME3's ending, one can do the same for the strained logic that leads to obligatory, overcompensating upbeat endings.  And that's quite common.

[crimzontearz]

I am Italian, from Italy, the godfather (as well as many other similar movies) aggrivates the hell out of me in general especially when the American cast tries to speak in Italian, also, not being a fan of gangster movies I never bothered watching it...

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote...

Oh.... so the spoilers failed you because ypu were expecting an ending DLC? Puzzle Theory? IT? Something else?

brenon Holmes messaged me hinting at a 4th non sacrifical ending.....which never made it in the game tho

You thought that there was a secret ending that nobody had found yet?

[AlanC9]

StreetMagic wrote...

Speaking of cannolis, do you like the Godfather? That's a downer, if you stick through the whole trilogy. But an example of downer done right imo.

The downer for me was that the third film wasn't all that good.

[Zazzerka]

crimzontearz wrote...

I am Italian, from Italy, the godfather (as well as many other similar movies) aggrivates the hell out of me in general especially when the American cast tries to speak in Italian, also, not being a fan of gangster movies I never bothered watching it...

Babada boopy? Beepada boopada bapada bapada?

[AlanC9]

dreamgazer wrote...

While true, to a degree, there's a difference between preference of genre and preference of how pieces of fiction end. I'd be better off if I liked more musicals and classic westerns, too. Not really the same thing. 

Well, I could put my cultural studies hat on and say that you're encoding your own values hierarchy into the structure of the problem.... IIRC, that's the standard move here. But since I'm actually with you on the substance, I think I'll drop it 

[Iakus]

StreetMagic wrote...

I've heard that before.

That said, I think the theme they were trying to touch on was tragic in a good way. He could never escape his past. "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in". No matter how much he tried to go legit, he ended up lonely and his daughter killed. And I didn't have this feeling like I wanted him to end up any better. It was appropriate.

And there we have the difference between a movie, where we are passive observer's watching Michael's life play out, and a video game with a choice-based narrative, where we can shape Shepard's life.

Why should we be forced to have a tragic outcome regardless of Shepard's circumstances?  

[crimzontearz]

Sorry, but I strongly disagree. Just as people gripe about the issues with ME3's ending, one can do the same for the strained logic that leads to obligatory, overcompensating upbeat endings. And that's quite common.

which us entirely acceptable to me

[dreamgazer]

AlanC9 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

While true, to a degree, there's a difference between preference of genre and preference of how pieces of fiction end. I'd be better off if I liked more musicals and classic westerns, too. Not really the same thing. 

Well, I could put my cultural studies hat on and say that you're encoding your own values hierarchy into the structure of the problem.... IIRC, that's the standard move here. But since I'm actually with you on the substance, I think I'll drop it 

It's possible that I am, sure, but deciphering a work's genre and learning about the nature of a work's ending are different balls of wax.

[crimzontearz]

You thought that there was a secret ending that nobody had found yet?

when a senior dev tells you it's there you get your hopes up....if course he himself did not know Preston was talking about the breath scene

[crimzontearz]

Babada boopy? Beepada boopada bapada bapada?

There is a special place in hell for people like you....

[Zazzerka]

crimzontearz wrote...

There is a special place in hell for people like you....

Feel free to throw some Crocodile Dundee quotes at me. I think that when the day comes that we can all tease each other's accents and not get pissed off about it, we'll have made a very big step towards world peace.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 24 décembre 2013 - 05:03 .

[KaiserShep]

StreetMagic wrote...

I'm not sure I'd even call ME3 a downer ending. I don't know what it is. Kind of leaves me in limbo.

I think downer ending is often used as a substitute to simply say "an ending I don't like", because the high EMS endings are not downers in the least. Obviously there's no sunshine and rainbows and Shepard doesn't exactly ride off into the sunset, but the player can either do the sacrifice they prefer, or leave the possibility of riding off into the sunset available to the PC if they wish. It's obviously not ideal, but it doesn't become some kind of survival horror with all civilization left totally asunder.