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[spirosz]

I think the problem is, people who call it it's shortcoming are seen as complainers. Ironically, people who praise a lot of bright spots in ME3 (because there were many) are also called drones. It's hilarious to look at, no real equilibrium, unless you decide to specifically point out the two, which you shouldn't have to in the first place.

[spirosz]

angol fear wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

30+ pages later......and it's still unclear as to what "lesson" ME3 was supposed to learn (from itself?).

Don't underestimate your fan base's investment?
Don't be condescending?
Don't use "art" as a non plus ultra shield?
Don't listen to Walters?
Don't use minimalist delivery for something that is supposed to give emotional payoff?
Don't forego peer review?
Don't rush a game of this size?


All of the above?

They had no lesson to learn. You don't want them to write (what they like), you want them to please you. The art as ultra shield, the minimalism (once again you're wrong!), and the "rushed" game, all of this is wrong it's just you who see that.

They do have a lesson to learn, you always do - they learn and develop - to say otherwise is being oblivious.  

[spirosz]

Also, there were rushed aspects, but one can argue that can be subjective on what we find could use more quality - the character creator, the overused soundtracks from the other two titles (unless appropriate), Earth section.

Character creator - I don't understand the need to take out features from the two previous games, it made my Shepard look like a trainwreck and I understand this isn't the case for a lot of people - but I don't understand the mentality of removing features that worked perfectly fine with transitioning in the two previous games... yet needs to modified to look worse? Also, the whole import issue with our characters, had did that get past development? Was everyone using default Shepard?

On the soundtrack, the original score in ME3 is brilliant, but looking at ME2 - there were no tracks from ME1 that I can recall, but there were remixes of tracks from ME1, that was the difference. There was a use of Vigil, Saren's theme influenced a bit of Legion's theme, the obvious tracks like the Galaxy Map and main themes, but those are needed. Now in ME3, there were times were a track from ME or ME2 were appropriate for the scene; David at Grissom Academy or hearing Samara's theme when... Samara shows up, but at other times I felt like I kept hearing tracks from ME2 just because they needed something of a filler for that segment.

Earth.

[dreamgazer]

Greylycantrope wrote...

When and where do we draw the line between initial frustration and nerdrage?

Probably around the same time we can expect people to quit ragging on the Phantom Menace. Time doesn't stop something from being a bad film.

No, but time can definitely make one realize that they were being entirely too harsh and thinking in binary terms towards a work of fiction, especially an installment in a franchise. Trekkies are guilty of that towards Abrams' films.

(Also: ME3 =/= TPM, but that's an even-more impossible discussion.)

[spirosz]

Am I the only one who loved the Phantom Menace and Jar Jar Binks?

Modifié par spirosz, 27 décembre 2013 - 03:25 .

[Rusty Sandusky]

spirosz wrote...

Am I the only one who loved the Phantom Menace and Jar Jar Binks?

There's you and Razorfist, but that's it.

[CronoDragoon]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Implying that wearing a belt and oxygen mask in vacuum or "organic and synthetic energies" is of equivalent "softness" to ambiguously presented clones and telepathy.

Yes, "Biomass" is a much better explanation for space magic in ME1.

This is not a position worth defending, dog.

[dreamgazer]

spirosz wrote...

Am I the only one who loved the Phantom Menace and Jar Jar Binks?

... loved? It's likely.

[spirosz]

Damn, who's Razorfist. I need to hug this person.

[AresKeith]

spirosz wrote...

Am I the only one who loved the Phantom Menace and Jar Jar Binks?

Get out

[Rusty Sandusky]

spirosz wrote...

Damn, who's Razorfist. I need to hug this person.

I don't think that's a good idea

[spirosz]

Oh, I thought it was a BSN user, lolololololol.

[GreyLycanTrope]

dreamgazer wrote...
No, but time can definitely make one realize that they were being entirely too harsh and thinking in binary terms towards a work of fiction, especially an installment in a franchise. Trekkies are guilty of that towards Abrams' films.
(Also: ME3 =/= TPM, but that's an even-more impossible discussion.)

That's only the case if someone was too harsh though, I'm not saying every critism is valid however.

spirosz wrote...
Am I the only one who loved the Phantom Menace and Jar Jar Binks?

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 27 décembre 2013 - 03:46 .

[spirosz]

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...
No, but time can definitely make one realize that they were being entirely too harsh and thinking in binary terms towards a work of fiction, especially an installment in a franchise. Trekkies are guilty of that towards Abrams' films.
(Also: ME3 =/= TPM, but that's an even-more impossible discussion.)

That's only the case if someone was too harsh though, I'm not saying every critism is valid however.

spirosz wrote...
Am I the only one who loved the Phantom Menace and Jar Jar Binks?

I know your secret.

[Rusty Sandusky]

spirosz wrote...

I know your secret.

Are you knocking pierogi? 198.7.62.204 1v1 me irl

[spirosz]

No, I know his weakness. He will friend me back. It will happen.

[Invisible Man]

as far as the mass effect 3 ending goes, the original ending was a bit of a mess (plot holes & a lack of common sense, IMHO) the EC dlc filled in almost if not all of the me3 plot holes (though not the holes that were created between me1-2 vs. me3), though it still didn't fix the lack of common sense. they would have had to scrap the entire ending & completely rewritten it from top to bottom (though I do have to give them props for doing the ec for free, not many studios would have). however, mass effect 3 was still a good game, it's just that it could have been epic. now a lot of this could have been streamlined by adding several additional titles in to the series, it seems they just wanted to tie it all up in a single game (now if they had a 3 year dev cycle it might have been doable), it simply ended up being too much to handle. and they... what was his title, something like lead creative designer or somesuch? well they pissed him off in the middle of mass effect 2 and he left, so I can understand how the overall plot is kind of nerfed, like switching writers in the middle of the story. forgot where I was going here... I guess that's as good a place to end it.

[crimzontearz]

Don't argue with angol, Spirosz, he still think the breath scene did not fit in a minimalist delivery.

That said, Bioware can write what pleases them and whatnot, but see, they also want to make money. They can use Art as a non plus ultra (learn what it means and use it correctly Angol) and make the next game "Mass Effect: The Flowers in the Attic" with pureblood Asari as opposed to children that were the product of incest but I seriously doubt that would sell it be appreciated.

So yes, there is always something to learn especially if they want to maximize profits and free word of mouth publicity from the core fan base (or they can go the COD route which would soooo not surprise me now)

[spirosz]

Well, the breathe scene was poorly executed, that I agree with, but it really isn't that bad to headcannon a positive or negative (if you like) outcome for that scene, where reality and realism doesn't have to intertwine. Also, the whole art argument was something the fans fabricated from a quote that lead to overblown use of the word.

[crimzontearz]

Which is why, until I see the next game I will take any statement of "we learned our lesson" from Bioware ****** grano salis

[spirosz]

Yep, best way to approach it.

[Mathias]

Both the original and EC endings are garbage. But some people are happy with it because "Ooh we get slides and a goodbye scene. Yeah it still makes no sense and all 3 choices are rubbish, but yay memorial scene!"

[Iakus]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Both the original and EC endings are garbage. But some people are happy with it because "Ooh we get slides and a goodbye scene. Yeah it still makes no sense and all 3 choices are rubbish, but yay memorial scene!"

Yeah sums it all up

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Both the original and EC endings are garbage. But some people are happy with it because "Ooh we get slides and a goodbye scene. Yeah it still makes no sense and all 3 choices are rubbish, but yay memorial scene!"

Well, you can't blame the people who it works for. Some like it, many don't.

I'm in the camp that thinks that beyond headcanon purposes, there are no redeeming qualities about the ending, and very few redeeming qualities with Mass Effect 3 in general.

That's likely never to change. Time hasn't lessened my critique, only my anger.

[spirosz]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Time hasn't lessened my critique, only my anger.

Good way to sum it up.  Though, I was angry at the game itself, compared to the endings, which I didn't mind.

Best thing to approach their up coming titles is well, don't hype yourself up - take everything they say with a grain of salt and well, I suggest not pre-ordering either.