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[Mathias]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Both the original and EC endings are garbage. But some people are happy with it because "Ooh we get slides and a goodbye scene. Yeah it still makes no sense and all 3 choices are rubbish, but yay memorial scene!"

Well, you can't blame the people who it works for. Some like it, many don't.

I'm in the camp that thinks that beyond headcanon purposes, there are no redeeming qualities about the ending, and very few redeeming qualities with Mass Effect 3 in general.

That's likely never to change. Time hasn't lessened my critique, only my anger.

It is quite literally, THE worst written ending I have ever seen in my life. And I know the typical response to that. "Oh you obviously haven't read many endings then." No I have, and ME3 has the worst I've ever seen given the circumstances and for many different reasons. I swear if I had my own web show, I would do a video going into detail as to why that is, and I guarantee I'd be able to convince people of how goddamn wretched this ending is. 

From beginning to end it's just a constant bombardment of wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

[KaiserShep]

Fixers0 wrote...

Bioware is way to proud of it self to make any serious changes in way they develop their games. The more we as community critise the direction Bioware is going, the more they're going stick to it.  In the end they never truly apologized for the poor quality of the endings, they merely apologized for us supposedly not understanding it.

This suggests to me there's been a fair amount of criticism from fans regarding some trend in the way BioWare's been developing Mass Effect from 1or 2 onward that they ignored and stuck to. I'm not sure what that entails, but I'd sure like to know that myself. The fact that they developed DLC's geared toward fixing certain elements in the narrative also suggests to me that they do in fact listen to their fans. It's certainly not reasonable for them to apologize and say the ending sucked and release a total rewrite of the ending, so they made do with what they had. 

[AlanC9]

CrutchCricket wrote...
It is something you have to suspend your disbelief for, obviously. But once you accept the idea of what the thorian is, the rest falls into place. However I look forward to you telling me how this is equivalent to "organic energies" or any of the other bull**** ME3 and even ME2 pulls.

I kind of agree. If we're going after silly stuff from ME1, let's not waste time on the thorian. Let's go after the asari. Or the preposterous Reaper cycles.

[Linkenski]

If anything I think Bioware listen too much to us to be honest. I know, I know, the EC makes the ending better but ME3 as a whole had too many fan-service moments even outside of The Citadel DLC and I also think the lack of a talking Harbinger was due to the feedback from vocal idiots saying it was too cheesy.

So what!? Stop catering to your self-entitled fans Bioware, you're starting to look pathetic. /lol

Modifié par Linkenski, 28 décembre 2013 - 12:34 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Both the original and EC endings are garbage. But some people are happy with it because "Ooh we get slides and a goodbye scene. Yeah it still makes no sense and all 3 choices are rubbish, but yay memorial scene!"

Well, you can't blame the people who it works for. Some like it, many don't.

I'm in the camp that thinks that beyond headcanon purposes, there are no redeeming qualities about the ending, and very few redeeming qualities with Mass Effect 3 in general.

That's likely never to change. Time hasn't lessened my critique, only my anger.

It is quite literally, THE worst written ending I have ever seen in my life. And I know the typical response to that. "Oh you obviously haven't read many endings then." No I have, and ME3 has the worst I've ever seen given the circumstances and for many different reasons. I swear if I had my own web show, I would do a video going into detail as to why that is, and I guarantee I'd be able to convince people of how goddamn wretched this ending is. 

From beginning to end it's just a constant bombardment of wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

My typical response isn't "Oh you haven't seen much or read much endings", unless you're David.

My typical response is "It's a subjective perspective." Yes, there are many, many, many flaws with the ending, but to say that it is, based on your own opinion (that you're trying to objectivize), the worst ending of all time is arrogant and incorrect.

[CronoDragoon]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

It is quite literally, THE worst written ending I have ever seen in my life. And I know the typical response to that. "Oh you obviously haven't read many endings then." No I have, and ME3 has the worst I've ever seen given the circumstances and for many different reasons. I swear if I had my own web show, I would do a video going into detail as to why that is, and I guarantee I'd be able to convince people of how goddamn wretched this ending is. 

From beginning to end it's just a constant bombardment of wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

I'd have to say that if Final Fantasy VII came out today, without a promise of continuations via movie, it would be considered the worst ending of all time.

As of now, FInal Fantasy XIII's ending is still worse than ME3's (with the EC). The only difference is I didn't give a **** about FF13's world or characters because the writing was awful from the start.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 28 décembre 2013 - 12:41 .

[Iakus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I'd have to say that if Final Fantasy VII came out today, without a promise of continuations via movie, it would be considered the worst ending of all time.

As of now, FInal Fantasy XIII's ending is still worse than ME3's (with the EC). The only difference is I didn't give a **** about FF13's world or characters because the writing was awful from the start.

I played FFVII when it first came out.  It did not bother me as much as ME3's ending did.

I actually can't think of any games I have played that even come close to the disappontment I felt. the only thing that really compares is Stephen King's Dark Tower conclusion.

FYI I never read anything by him again.

[CronoDragoon]

Fwiw I thought the end of the Dark Tower series was perfect. It's the only way it could have ended.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I think there is some objective basis for saying the ME3 ending is pretty bad on a mechanical level (mixing up the protagonist/antagonist relationship, adding an entirely new central conflict at the end, eschewing the beloved introduction/rising-action/climax/falling-action/denoument dramatic structure, etc).

[crimzontearz]

Also, to answer a question that popped up earlier

"should a small, yet invested, segment of the fan base dictate the development"

Uhm, here us how I see it. The casual crowd will NOT care, will buy the game and possibly not even finish it and play MP. The core fan base WILL care, the core fan base is the part of the fan base what will go out of their way to preorder, to buy all DLC, to recommend the game (or vehemently slam it) anywhere and everywhere.

Sooo...why not listen? Why not pay attention given that it results in a win win?

Of course, some will say...."BUT ZOMG Crimzon, you cannot please everyone and listen to all requests."

Yeah well giving more options is a goddamn start.

[Iakus]

crimzontearz wrote...

Also, to answer a question that popped up earlier

"should a small, yet invested, segment of the fan base dictate the development"

Uhm, here us how I see it. The casual crowd will NOT care, will buy the game and possibly not even finish it and play MP. The core fan base WILL care, the core fan base is the part of the fan base what will go out of their way to preorder, to buy all DLC, to recommend the game (or vehemently slam it) anywhere and everywhere.

Sooo...why not listen? Why not pay attention given that it results in a win win?

Of course, some will say...."BUT ZOMG Crimzon, you cannot please everyone and listen to all requests."

Yeah well giving more options is a goddamn start.

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[CronoDragoon]

Always an interesting question: Who's more likely to buy a game that doesn't appeal to them: the casual crowd, or the hardcore crowd? Personally I'd go with the latter hate-buying an entry and then complaining while playing it as typical. I know because I do it with every new Resident Evil.

[crimzontearz]

Aw come on...1/4 of RE6 was good

[Mathias]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Both the original and EC endings are garbage. But some people are happy with it because "Ooh we get slides and a goodbye scene. Yeah it still makes no sense and all 3 choices are rubbish, but yay memorial scene!"

Well, you can't blame the people who it works for. Some like it, many don't.

I'm in the camp that thinks that beyond headcanon purposes, there are no redeeming qualities about the ending, and very few redeeming qualities with Mass Effect 3 in general.

That's likely never to change. Time hasn't lessened my critique, only my anger.

It is quite literally, THE worst written ending I have ever seen in my life. And I know the typical response to that. "Oh you obviously haven't read many endings then." No I have, and ME3 has the worst I've ever seen given the circumstances and for many different reasons. I swear if I had my own web show, I would do a video going into detail as to why that is, and I guarantee I'd be able to convince people of how goddamn wretched this ending is. 

From beginning to end it's just a constant bombardment of wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

My typical response isn't "Oh you haven't seen much or read much endings", unless you're David.

My typical response is "It's a subjective perspective." Yes, there are many, many, many flaws with the ending, but to say that it is, based on your own opinion (that you're trying to objectivize), the worst ending of all time is arrogant and incorrect.

It wouldn't be arrogant if I presented my case on the subject in order to sway other people's opinions. 

[Mathias]

crimzontearz wrote...

Aw come on...1/4 of RE6 was good

Dude even the Leon campaign was riddled with bad gameplay and terrible QTEs.

[CaIIisto]

The assumption here is that any additional options would have been less repulsive than those which BW served up already. Chances are they'd have been a further voyage into the bizarre and ridiculous. We already had space magic FFS. What ideas did they throw out that they thought were more random/bizarre than that?

[Mathias]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

It is quite literally, THE worst written ending I have ever seen in my life. And I know the typical response to that. "Oh you obviously haven't read many endings then." No I have, and ME3 has the worst I've ever seen given the circumstances and for many different reasons. I swear if I had my own web show, I would do a video going into detail as to why that is, and I guarantee I'd be able to convince people of how goddamn wretched this ending is. 

From beginning to end it's just a constant bombardment of wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

I'd have to say that if Final Fantasy VII came out today, without a promise of continuations via movie, it would be considered the worst ending of all time.

As of now, FInal Fantasy XIII's ending is still worse than ME3's (with the EC). The only difference is I didn't give a **** about FF13's world or characters because the writing was awful from the start.

XIII had closure, and it also kept in tone with the rest of the game. I don't see how XIII could be a worse ending.

[JamesFaith]

crimzontearz wrote...

Also, to answer a question that popped up earlier

"should a small, yet invested, segment of the fan base dictate the development"

Uhm, here us how I see it. The casual crowd will NOT care, will buy the game and possibly not even finish it and play MP. The core fan base WILL care, the core fan base is the part of the fan base what will go out of their way to preorder, to buy all DLC, to recommend the game (or vehemently slam it) anywhere and everywhere.

Sooo...why not listen? Why not pay attention given that it results in a win win?

Because demands pushed by so called "core fanbase" could go directly against taste of casual crowd?

For example demand "no MP in ME3" which was quite common here before MP was comfirmed. MP players are now probably most active players of ME3 and if BW listened to this small segment of anti-MP fanbase, result definitely wouldnť be "win win situation".

You always have to chose when to listen and when to decided by yourself, because sometimes both options are same risky.

[crimzontearz]

Dude even the Leon campaign was riddled with bad gameplay and terrible QTEs.

It still felt more like RE than other entries

[crimzontearz]

Because demands pushed by so called "core fanbase" could go directly against taste of casual crowd?

For example demand "no MP in ME3" which was quite common here before MP was comfirmed. MP players are now probably most active players of ME3 and if BW listened to this small segment of anti-MP fanbase, result definitely wouldnť be "win win situation".

You always have to chose when to listen and when to decided by yourself, because sometimes both options are same risky

that one could not even be listened to as EA owns Bioware now....

[CrutchCricket]

AlanC9 wrote...
I kind of agree. If we're going after silly stuff from ME1, let's not waste time on the thorian. Let's go after the asari. Or the preposterous Reaper cycles.

For the asari, I'm ok with the pseudo-telepathy (probably why the Cypher or the Protheans don't bother me either). But where it gets really ridiculous is the omni-attractiveness. I get what teh blue space babes are homage to, but seriously, anything with a pulse wants to bang them?

The Reaper cycles themselves aren't that implausible either. Explaining why they happen is where you run into trouble.

[Mathias]

crimzontearz wrote...

Dude even the Leon campaign was riddled with bad gameplay and terrible QTEs.

It still felt more like RE than other entries

I really don't see how anyone could play Leon's campaign and think, "Yeah...this is survival horror."

[Invisible Man]

now I don't think i'll be finishing the dark tower... ever. thanx guys.

as for bw, I guess the only way we'll find out how much care they're putting into the next mass effect title is to see how long it spends in the dev cycle.

[crimzontearz]

Never said that, DS1-2-3 are the new survival horrors in charge ....but that campaign felt more like RE than previous entries or the other campaigns

[Iakus]

Bester76 wrote...

The assumption here is that any additional options would have been less repulsive than those which BW served up already. Chances are they'd have been a further voyage into the bizarre and ridiculous. We already had space magic FFS. What ideas did they throw out that they thought were more random/bizarre than that?

Well, they did add Refuse in EC as a little "Frak You!" fourth option, so you have a point there...