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[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

Sooo unless the guy stares that publicly (which you know he never could at this point) then it is moot?

dreamgazer wrote...

Because that's a big claim without a substantiated, public source to cite.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

crimzontearz wrote...

Sooo unless the guy stares that publicly (which you know he never could at this point) then it is moot?

Is it really such a surprise that people require verification before taking claims seriously?

The same thing happened when ME3 launched, if I remember right. People were making claims about "16 endings" when it turned out Ign was responsible for the whole thing.

[crimzontearz]

Translation, the guy lied because it was a PM?

right....

[Linkenski]

If anything ME3 has taught me I should take hype from the devs with a grain of salt because Casey Hudson wasn't lying, but he was massively exaggerating with the 16 different endings claim, and people went nuts because too many didn't realise that there was actually 16 different endings, at least rationally speaking.

[JamesFaith]

Linkenski wrote...

If anything ME3 has taught me I should take hype from the devs with a grain of salt because Casey Hudson wasn't lying, but he was massively exaggerating with the 16 different endings claim, and people went nuts because too many didn't realise that there was actually 16 different endings, at least rationally speaking.

If I remember correct, it was IGN mistake, claim about 16 endings was about Witcher 2, not about ME3, but they accidently mixed it together.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

crimzontearz wrote...

Translation, the guy lied because it was a PM?

right....

Translation: the conversation never happened in the first place would be the correct thought process.

[crimzontearz]

Again, I posted screenshots of the conversation....if I trusted you I would give you my login info to check but you got to agree that is a bit much...

[Iakus]

crimzontearz wrote...

Again, I posted screenshots of the conversation....if I trusted you I would give you my login info to check but you got to agree that is a bit much...

If you post evidence, it's cleearly fake.  If you don't, it never happened.

It's a no-win scenerio.  Like the Crucible 

[crimzontearz]

If you post evidence, it's cleearly fake. If you don't, it never happened.

It's a no-win scenerio. Like the Crucible

I even took a photo of my computer screen to show it was not photoshopped but goddamn!

[Mr.House]

Linkenski wrote...

If anything ME3 has taught me I should take hype from the devs with a grain of salt because Casey Hudson wasn't lying, but he was massively exaggerating with the 16 different endings claim, and people went nuts because too many didn't realise that there was actually 16 different endings, at least rationally speaking.

That was IGN.....

[Mr.House]

crimzontearz wrote...

If you post evidence, it's cleearly fake. If you don't, it never happened.

It's a no-win scenerio. Like the Crucible

I even took a photo of my computer screen to show it was not photoshopped but goddamn!

You can photoshop a picture.

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Again, I posted screenshots of the conversation....if I trusted you I would give you my login info to check but you got to agree that is a bit much...

If you post evidence, it's cleearly fake.  If you don't, it never happened.

It's a no-win scenerio.  -snip silly comment-

Pretty much. Therefore: get a better, verifiable source if you're going to make claims!

It's not rocket science.

[crimzontearz]

Way harder than a flat screen capture tho....

[AlanC9]

JamesFaith wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

If anything ME3 has taught me I should take hype from the devs with a grain of salt because Casey Hudson wasn't lying, but he was massively exaggerating with the 16 different endings claim, and people went nuts because too many didn't realise that there was actually 16 different endings, at least rationally speaking.

If I remember correct, it was IGN mistake, claim about 16 endings was about Witcher 2, not about ME3, but they accidently mixed it together.

Only the headline. The text of the IGN ME3 article was accurate. I suppose all the people who made a whole fuss  about "They promised us 16 Endings!" didn't read the actual article because of fear of spoilers?

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote...

Again, I posted screenshots of the conversation....if I trusted you I would give you my login info to check but you got to agree that is a bit much...

Where are the screenshots, again?

[crimzontearz]

Several threads...do you need me to fish them out of wherever I uploaded them because honestly I am kinda tired

[JamesFaith]

AlanC9 wrote...

Only the headline. The text of the IGN ME3 article was accurate. I suppose all the people who made a whole fuss  about "They promised us 16 Endings!" didn't read the actual article because of fear of spoilers?

More only heard "16 endings" and keep repeating it without checking, like popular twisted claim "bosses are too videogamey".

[AlanC9]

@ crimsontearz: Well, it'd be nice to read the exact text of the messages sometime. Like that IGN "16 endings" business we're talking about on this page; the actual article said no such thing, but you had to read it to know that.

Modifié par AlanC9, 28 décembre 2013 - 10:54 .

[crimzontearz]

Hold on let me embed


Brenon Holmes
07:08 PM 2012-03-05 Hmm... well - we'll have to wait and see them. I'm pretty sure there's a fourth ending, but I was only tangentially involved in a lot of those discussions - so I'm not 100% sure about it .

(maybe it got cut for some reason and I didn't hear about it?)

I don't want to get people's hopes up is all.

I know Preston and Casey wanted a "happy" ending... and the NG+ thing does ring a few bells... I'll poke Preston tomorrow and ask.

[crimzontearz]

Mother**** embedding did not work on IE mobile....let me see if I can find one of the shots

[crimzontearz]

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[crimzontearz]

GRRRR

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There

[Mangalores]

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"people like it, some don't, but even some of those who don't understood why Shepard had to die"

...

Just a note: Bioware made the story. It's their job to make people understand stuff like killing the protagonist. Plenty of movies and books do it just fine and they do not need to be very deep , the issue is about explaining _why_ the hero has to die aka create a situation and character connection that makes it sensible that 95% + of all people are crying but know that's what Shepard has to do.  I just watched Elysium, the movie is just made so the entire ending act boils down to explaining why the hero needs to die and that he is okay with it and would be mad at you if you as the audience would try to prevent it This is not a spoiler because the entire story is built to be a tragic hero story. If it didn't happen, that'd be not following through.

Structurally (without even talking about the ending itself) Shepard died _after_ Shepard died! The scene with Anderson and the big panorama sight as they had accomplished their mission was that scene! Anderson dead, Shepard bleeding out, cut to an Epilogue or a last thought of Shepard as he reminiscened all the friends and allies that will live in peace so he has accomplished his destiny would be just that scene.

The problem is they added a retconn after that.


What does Hollywood do when it reverts a supposed death scenes within minutes? They make the hero live. To me that is the stupid misunderstanding that people will say that were sad the hero died which says nothing about how much emotion they felt that he did. If any medium manages to make you feel any emotion because of the story then that's good. But Hollywood usually subverts that inpopcorn flicks because they think it's bad.

Problem is, BW subverts the subversion which is just stupid. They essentially structurally told everyone "No, no, no! Everything will be fine because it doesn't end here!" and then they kill Shepard again. I'd dare say 15 minutes before a lot of people would have been fine with Shepard dieing, 15 minutes after they have structurally subverted that very end goal so people were mad that Shepard needs to still die after he already cheated death by story standards.

And add all the other problems of those 15 minutes and you get "why people do not understand why Shepard needs to die" since that would have been at least a happy outcome that justifies those 15 minutes and is what structurally should happen based on common story norms: An author reverts a sad ending to turn it into a happy ending or vice versa but turning a sad ending into a sadder ending is not doing anything but frustrate the audience.

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

Of course, APPARENTLY both Casey and Preston pushed for an optional non sacrificial ending....but that only resulted in the breath scene, why is beyond me comprehension

Just a reminder: even if one private inbox is to be admitted as a reliable source, you're trying to support this claim.

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote...

GRRRR

http://imageshack.us...0305222626.jpg/

There

Thanks. Yeah, I think anyone denying that this is real has definitely slipped into nutjob land.