KaiserShep wrote...
The problem with Liara's role as SB on the Normandy is that it has to play a balancing act with comm specialist Traynor and EDI's role on the ship. Traynor can't be another yeomen, so she has to do something more meaningful.
StreetMagic wrote...
Just to add, it doesn't matter if a character is tied into the main plot heavily or not. That doesn't necessarily take away importance. Look at Han Solo and Chewbacca in SW. They aren't all that integral, but the story would suck without them anyhow. C-3P0, R2, and Leia are more important, but no one forgets Han or Chewy.
ImaginaryMatter wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
Its not opinion, its fact.
Bioware lets you play missions without the dueteragonist, but that doesn't mean they aren't the deuteragonist. Bastila, Dawn Star, Alistair, Varric, Imoen, etc.
Okay, except there is no definate state of being a dueteragonist. It's a term people use to describe a common occurance in stories. And generally what characters fit the term or not is reached upon consensus. There is no dueteragonist meter.
While I happen to agree that Liara is a dueteragonist it is something which is subjective. So don't start rattling off words like 'facts' and 'evidence' when we're dealing in a field that is almost entirely subjective.
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Modifié par StreetMagic, 05 janvier 2014 - 01:40 .
Steelcan wrote...
After she found the Crucible she has no good reason thematic or plot wise for being on the ship.
Steelcan wrote...
Tali made it all possible by finding evidence against Saren, Miranda resurrected Shepard, and TIM gave Shepard the new ship, squad, etc...
Yes, I am firmly against Tali's inclusion as a squadmate. Garrus I am a bit more lenient on, but I am dissapointed that he has no real reason to be there beyond "were buddies"wolfhowwl wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
After she found the Crucible she has no good reason thematic or plot wise for being on the ship.
She wouldn't be the only one then.
Do you also object to the popularity based inclusion of Tali and Garrus?
How do you rescue someone who is dead? She may of retrieved(with help from Feron) the body, but she didn't rescue it. She claims to be a friend, but why didn't she tell Ashley/Kaidan(if LI) or Anderson that Shepard's body was given to Cerberus?txgoldrush wrote...
Liara is the series dueteragonist because she is key to understanding the visions Shepard has in ME1, rescues Shepards body before ME2, and finds the Crucible that will lead to the end of the Reapers. No other squadmate can claim this importance.
Her comic content isnt really relevant, anyone could have done that. Her prothean expertise is admittedly importabt in ME1, but we see in ME3 that she is simply a fooltxgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Tali made it all possible by finding evidence against Saren, Miranda resurrected Shepard, and TIM gave Shepard the new ship, squad, etc...
Liara reading Shepards mind is also key to stopping Saren and Liara's role at delivering Shepards body is key for Miranda to resurrect Shepard.
Yes the other characters are important, but once again, not as important as Liara. Se has more moments of importance than the characters you listed.
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Not really. Contrived or not, she could've found her way into the game early enough without that plot point.themikefest wrote...
She only found the Crucible because it was the only way to have her in the game early.
txgoldrush wrote...
Liara is the series dueteragonist because she is key to understanding the visions Shepard has in ME1, rescues Shepards body before ME2, and finds the Crucible that will lead to the end of the Reapers. No other squadmate can claim this importance.
Modifié par ImaginaryMatter, 05 janvier 2014 - 01:53 .
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StreetMagic wrote...
The main reason Liara's on the ship is that people would raise hell, and it isn't worth Bioware bothering with. Personally, I would have preferred a rotating type of squad, where Jack and Liara interchange in the Adept role (same with other types of characters), but whatever. Jack's not as popular, so they can take the risk of pissing off a minority. They can't risk Liara fans. Especially not two games in a row (or one and a half, if you count her DLC).
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Not always. If that was the case then anyone could arbitrarily say Shepard's not the protagonist of Mass Effect because blah, blah. The deuteragonist is categorized in that same vain.ImaginaryMatter wrote...
If the dueteragonist is the second most important character in the story the role of dueteragonist is subjective because value is completely open to interpretation.
dreamgazer wrote...
Ah, look, it's the first Liara hate-fest of 2014.
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CynicalShep wrote...
Hackett [...] destroys Sovereign in ME, etc etc
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StreetMagic wrote...
CynicalShep wrote...
Hackett [...] destroys Sovereign in ME, etc etc
Bastard stole my thunder.
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CynicalShep wrote...
StreetMagic wrote...
CynicalShep wrote...
Hackett [...] destroys Sovereign in ME, etc etc
Bastard stole my thunder.
Really though. He is as important, if not more important than Shepard in the trilogy.
dreamgazer wrote...
Ah, look, it's the first Liara hate-fest of 2014.
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