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[Daemul]

txgoldrush wrote...

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ME3 is an above 90 MC game, and along with ME2, Bioware's best selling game.
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I'm not sure about Mass Effect 3, but I'm pretty sure DAO sold more than ME2 did. 

[dreamgazer]

Daemul wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

This

ME3 is an above 90 MC game, and along with ME2, Bioware's best selling game.
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I'm not sure about Mass Effect 3, but I'm pretty sure DAO sold more than ME2 did. 

Looks like DA:O outsold ME2 on the PC and PS3 by a very small margin, when taking global figures into account.

Every entry in the Mass Effect series has moved more copies than DA:O on the 360, though.

[crimzontearz]

Copies moved ≠ quality



I mean look at COD

[spirosz]

txgoldrush wrote...
ME3 is an above 90 MC game, and along with ME2, Bioware's best selling game.

Lol and that means something?  

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

Copies moved ≠ quality



I mean look at COD

Outliers like COD don't take away from the fact that the entire series has been popular and sold well.

But, you're correct: units moved / tickets sold don't directly indicate quality.

[dreamgazer]

The sales figures for some of my favorites from "last-gen", or whatever we're on, are pretty depressing.

[Rusty Sandusky]

J. Reezy wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

The sales figures for some of my favorites from "last-gen", or whatever we're on, are pretty depressing.

What's "depressing", like less than a million units sold?

Whatever Shadows of the Damned sold, that.

[crimzontearz]

Outliers like COD don't take away from the fact that the entire series has been popular and sold well.

But, you're correct: units moved / tickets sold don't directly indicate quality.

COD is not an outlier. COD is used in this category of games wrongly, COD is nothing more than a shooter turned into a sport sim with a ton of skinned box mechanics sprinkled in. It should never really be used in comparison to a narrative driven game

[spirosz]

crimzontearz wrote...

Outliers like COD don't take away from the fact that the entire series has been popular and sold well.

But, you're correct: units moved / tickets sold don't directly indicate quality.

COD is not an outlier. COD is used in this category of games wrongly, COD is nothing more than a shooter turned into a sport sim with a ton of skinned box mechanics sprinkled in. It should never really be used in comparison to a narrative driven game

To be fair, it has narrative driven moments.

[crimzontearz]

Technically so does FIFA, sort of, but EA turned COD into a sports sim, basically. They took the sports sim model and applied it to a shooter, the result is COD as we know it. To me that should put COD in its own category, just like you do not talk sales figures with sports sim franchises in a comparative way neither should you with COD.

[dreamgazer]

J. Reezy wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

The sales figures for some of my favorites from "last-gen", or whatever we're on, are pretty depressing.

What's "depressing", like less than a million units sold?

Mostly, yeah, but also a few "bigger" titles that moved less than 1.5m per console.

crimzontearz wrote...

Outliers like COD don't take away from the fact that the entire series has been popular and sold well.

But, you're correct: units moved / tickets sold don't directly indicate quality.

COD is not an outlier. COD is used in this category of games wrongly, COD is nothing more than a shooter turned into a sport sim with a ton of skinned box mechanics sprinkled in. It should never really be used in comparison to a narrative driven game

Then why'd you bring it up? It's definitely considerd an outlier when discussing sales figures and quality of product in general, but it's totally inconsequential when talking about the performance of narrative-driven games, I agree.

[Rusty Sandusky]

crimzontearz wrote...

Technically so does FIFA, sort of, but EA turned COD into a sports sim, basically. They took the sports sim model and applied it to a shooter, the result is COD as we know it. To me that should put COD in its own category, just like you do not talk sales figures with sports sim franchises in a comparative way neither should you with COD.

Call of Duty's owned by Activision and I don't see how you can compare COD's campaign with FIFA's.

[Daemul]

dreamgazer wrote...

Daemul wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

This

ME3 is an above 90 MC game, and along with ME2, Bioware's best selling game.
.

I'm not sure about Mass Effect 3, but I'm pretty sure DAO sold more than ME2 did. 

Looks like DA:O outsold ME2 on the PC and PS3 by a very small margin, when taking global figures into account.

Every entry in the Mass Effect series has moved more copies than DA:O on the 360, though.

The last official figures I rememeber getting from EA is when DAO went triple Platinum(sold 3m copies) in Feb 2010.

http://investor.ea.c...eleaseID=443674

Then in May 2010 during the EA Fiscal Year Q4 conference call we got official numbers for ME2 which were 1.6m.

www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/704614/mass-effect-2-bad-company-2-sales-in-millions-dantes-inferno-just-under/

Then in July 2010 a Bioware Designer, Rob Bartel, announced that Dragon Age Origins, on PC and Console, was a bigger global release than any Bioware game, including Mass Effect 1 and 2.

www.computerandvideogames.com/255062/dragon-age-more-popular-than-mass-effect-bioware/

As far as I'm aware, that's the last time we ever heard any official about sales from EA or Bioware. I'll need to go through all of EA's press releases for the past 3 years to be sure though. Challenge accepted. 

Modifié par Daemul, 06 janvier 2014 - 03:27 .

[angol fear]

And what about COD written by David S.Goyer?

[crimzontearz]

Because the point remains, it is qualitatively poor but sells like hotcakes even by sports SIM standards

[crimzontearz]

Call of Duty's owned by Activision and I don't see how you can compare COD's campaign with FIFA's.

yes sorry about that, and my comparison was conceptual not direct

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

Because the point remains, it is qualitatively poor but sells like hotcakes even by sports SIM standards

Your points are contradicting themselves.

Copies moved ≠ quality

I mean look at COD

COD is not an outlier. COD is used in this category of games wrongly, COD is nothing more than a shooter turned into a sport sim with a ton of skinned box mechanics sprinkled in. It should never really be used in comparison to a narrative driven game

Does COD matter in this discussion or not?

[dreamgazer]

Speaking of Black Ops 2 ... want to see a decent game that got bombed on Metacritic by the users, worse than ME3?

http://www.metacriti...ty-black-ops-ii

[Rusty Sandusky]

dreamgazer wrote...

Speaking of Black Ops 2 ... want to see a decent game that got bombed on Metacritic by the users, worse than ME3?

http://www.metacriti...ty-black-ops-ii

Oh, please.

[crimzontearz]

It does because it is qualitatively poor but sells like hot cakes, but its purely numerical sales should not be used as an indication of its quality especially not if used in a comparative manner to narrative driven games. Meaning that "a shooter RPG should sell like COD to be considered good" (and conversely be considered if lesser quality if it does not) is as faulty as a mindset as "A survival horror with emphasis on, say, driving mechanics, should sell as much as Forza to be considered good"

[David7204]

Any Call of Duty taken by itself is a perfectly decent game. More than decent. It's only problem is releasing new entries that don't add that much.

[Daemul]

Only a handful of games/series ever pass the 5m sales mark, a game selling 2-3m is a success in my opinion, though developers and publishers may never see it this way. I remember one of the Bioware founders in an interview saying that they eventually want to have games that sell 10m copies, I don't think that will ever happen though.

Modifié par Daemul, 06 janvier 2014 - 03:57 .

[crimzontearz]

Any Call of Duty taken by itself is a perfectly decent game. More than decent. It's only problem is releasing new entries that don't add that much.

like a sports sim (tho the campaign is pretty bland in general)