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[MassivelyEffective0730]

jtav wrote...

The previous games give Shep plenty of reasons to become cynical regarding the Alliance and for Shepard to be forcibly happy is greatly to the detriment of RP. Yes, Shep must be Alliance for the sake of the plot, but a little grumbling and snark wouldn't come amiss.

Definitely this. Yes, I understand why Shepard must work with the alliance, but I don't understand why he has to become their schoolboy again. I don't understand why I can't be a jerkass to them. I don't even understand why I have to technically accept being reinstated into the alliance again. I can very easily work with them, while not actually being a part of them. It goes against the grain of what I wanted to be able to do in the game, of what Casey Hudson promised we could do: "You can RP a Shepard that is totally against the alliance and able to call them out on past actions"

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 20 décembre 2013 - 04:53 .

[eyezonlyii]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

jtav wrote...

The previous games give Shep plenty of reasons to become cynical regarding the Alliance and for Shepard to be forcibly happy is greatly to the detriment of RP. Yes, Shep must be Alliance for the sake of the plot, but a little grumbling and snark wouldn't come amiss.

Definitely this. Yes, I understand why Shepard must work with the alliance, but I don't understand why he has to become their schoolboy again. I don't understand why I can't be a jerkass to them. I don't even understand why I have to technically accept being reinstated into the alliance again. I can very easily work with them, while not actually being a part of them. It goes against the grain of what I wanted to be able to do in the game, of what Casey Hudson promised we could do: "You can RP a Shepard that is totally against the alliance and able to call them out on past actions"

Aside from not pouncing on the Collectors, what other actions would you call them out on?
I honestly am curious, I know I may come off as pestering you about your viewpoint of Cerberus, but I find it interesting and really am trying to understand. In other words, I'm not trying to troll or antagonize you, my questions are only meant to gather more information.

[Linkenski]

David7204 wrote...

You're laughable, klarabella. You should try not presenting your ridiculous little delusions as evidence. You've clearly demonstrated how much the idea of heroism bothers you. An obvious and transparent case of self-projection. Sadly for you, there's no actual merit in it.

Are you roleplaying?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

StreetMagic wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I feel that post deserves some kind of award. It is my honor to present the Monocle of Indignation:

I like it. /thumbs up

Is that  a man or woman?

*Shakes head in disappointment*

That's William Hartnell.

The First Doctor.

[eyezonlyii]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I feel that post deserves some kind of award. It is my honor to present the Monocle of Indignation:

I like it. /thumbs up

Is that  a man or woman?

*Shakes head in disappointment*

That's William Hartnell.

The First Doctor.

Who?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

eyezonlyii wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I feel that post deserves some kind of award. It is my honor to present the Monocle of Indignation:

I like it. /thumbs up

Is that  a man or woman?

*Shakes head in disappointment*

That's William Hartnell.

The First Doctor.

Who?

This human understands!



Funny joke is funny!

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

StreetMagic wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You're laughable, klarabella. You should try not presenting your ridiculous little delusions as evidence. You've clearly demonstrated how much the idea of heroism bothers you. An obvious and transparent case of self-projection. Sadly for you, there's no actual merit in it.

Are you roleplaying?

David is roleplaying as David.

Absolutely.

The back story.... The Colonist backstory is quite vague. The military may accept enlistments up to the age of 26. Shepard's family was killed when (s)he was 16. All it said was Shepard joined a few years later. Did Shepard finish school then go to college? It is possible. That would put the age around 23. Did Shepard work for a couple of years? That would put the age at 25. It is possible, depending upon the backstory, that Shepard is only in his/her first six years during the events of the Battle of the Citadel.

The writers based the story on the default Earthborn/Sole Survivor.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

StreetMagic wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

*Shakes head in disappointment*

That's William Hartnell.

The First Doctor.

Heh. Sorry, I don't have the patience for the old ones. The production levels look like a school play.

If that's what's stopping you from watching them, then all I can say is that you have a very Seival-esque philosophy.

Granted, my favorite Doctor is and always will be Ten (David Tennant), and my favorite companions will always be Rose Tyler (Billie Piper) and Captain Jack.

Eleven is good, but it's a completely different show post-regeneration. Ten and Nine are my favorites, followed by Four.

[eyezonlyii]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You're laughable, klarabella. You should try not presenting your ridiculous little delusions as evidence. You've clearly demonstrated how much the idea of heroism bothers you. An obvious and transparent case of self-projection. Sadly for you, there's no actual merit in it.

Are you roleplaying?

David is roleplaying as David.

Absolutely.

The back story.... The Colonist backstory is quite vague. The military may accept enlistments up to the age of 26. Shepard's family was killed when (s)he was 16. All it said was Shepard joined a few years later. Did Shepard finish school then go to college? It is possible. That would put the age around 23. Did Shepard work for a couple of years? That would put the age at 25. It is possible, depending upon the backstory, that Shepard is only in his/her first six years during the events of the Battle of the Citadel.

The writers based the story on the default Earthborn/Sole Survivor.

I thought defualt was EB/ War Hero? Either way, I want to know when Shepard went to ICT and why the don't have a snazzy designation (Slayer, Destroyer etc)

[MassivelyEffective0730]

eyezonlyii wrote...

I thought defualt was EB/ War Hero? Either way, I want to know when Shepard went to ICT and why the don't have a snazzy designation (Slayer, Destroyer etc)

Nope, default Shep is EB/SS/Soldier. 

[eyezonlyii]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

*Shakes head in disappointment*

That's William Hartnell.

The First Doctor.

Heh. Sorry, I don't have the patience for the old ones. The production levels look like a school play.

If that's what's stopping you from watching them, then all I can say is that you have a very Seival-esque philosophy.

Granted, my favorite Doctor is and always will be Ten (David Tennant), and my favorite companions will always be Rose Tyler (Billie Piper) and Captain Jack.

Eleven is good, but it's a completely different show post-regeneration. Ten and Nine are my favorites, followed by Four.

 

I've only seen Nine and Ten and just started 11. Nine is my fave so far. And I personally couldn't get into Rose. I liked Martha until she started falling for the Doctor (sigh) and Donna was actually funny and could keep up with his wit.

[AresKeith]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

eyezonlyii wrote...

I thought defualt was EB/ War Hero? Either way, I want to know when Shepard went to ICT and why the don't have a snazzy designation (Slayer, Destroyer etc)

Nope, default Shep is EB/SS/Soldier. 

Sounds more heroic than War Hero 

[ImaginaryMatter]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

jtav wrote...

The previous games give Shep plenty of reasons to become cynical regarding the Alliance and for Shepard to be forcibly happy is greatly to the detriment of RP. Yes, Shep must be Alliance for the sake of the plot, but a little grumbling and snark wouldn't come amiss.

Definitely this. Yes, I understand why Shepard must work with the alliance, but I don't understand why he has to become their schoolboy again. I don't understand why I can't be a jerkass to them. I don't even understand why I have to technically accept being reinstated into the alliance again. I can very easily work with them, while not actually being a part of them. It goes against the grain of what I wanted to be able to do in the game, of what Casey Hudson promised we could do: "You can RP a Shepard that is totally against the alliance and able to call them out on past actions"

If Shepard was allowed to call the galactic organizations out for being overly apathetic and incompetent BioWare would probably have to make another game just for that.

Personally, I would want to work for the Turian Hierarchy. Those guys know how to get things done.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

StreetMagic wrote...

I'm a very recent fan (since I got Netflix, I started watching the new ones starting with Eccleston and Tennant). I'm old enough to have grown up with Tom Baker episodes on TV. My brother loved it, but I hated that one too. But, I also hated Star Trek and Billy Idol back then too. Now I'm a huge fan of both. So anything's possible

I'd rate my favorite Doctors:

10
9
4
11
5
3
7
8
2
1
6

There are no bad Doctors in my opinion, just ones that had to deal with some **** due to the BBC.

I won't rate the War Doctor or Ten-II, since the War Doctor is officially outside the count, and Ten-II is the exact same as Ten-Prime minus the fact that he's biologically human and has some of the traits of Nine mixed in with Ten. Plus, I honestly don't know how to feel about him. On one hand (hehe), he's an exact replica of Ten: They're the same exact person with the same memories, thoughts, values, opinions, and emotions. As Ten-Prime says, "He's me, and I'm him. We're one and the same" with the added traits of Nine in him as well. On the other hand, it was disappointing that Rose couldn't be with Ten-Prime. Even the writers and actors all acknowledge that it was unfair to her character, since she's doing what the plot needs her to do and not what she'd actually do, and her stuff in 'Journey's End' felt kind of anti-climatic (not the beach scene or the reunion, since those were excellent).

[MassivelyEffective0730]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

jtav wrote...

The previous games give Shep plenty of reasons to become cynical regarding the Alliance and for Shepard to be forcibly happy is greatly to the detriment of RP. Yes, Shep must be Alliance for the sake of the plot, but a little grumbling and snark wouldn't come amiss.

Definitely this. Yes, I understand why Shepard must work with the alliance, but I don't understand why he has to become their schoolboy again. I don't understand why I can't be a jerkass to them. I don't even understand why I have to technically accept being reinstated into the alliance again. I can very easily work with them, while not actually being a part of them. It goes against the grain of what I wanted to be able to do in the game, of what Casey Hudson promised we could do: "You can RP a Shepard that is totally against the alliance and able to call them out on past actions"

If Shepard was allowed to call the galactic organizations out for being overly apathetic and incompetent BioWare would probably have to make another game just for that.

Personally, I would want to work for the Turian Hierarchy. Those guys know how to get things done.

I'd have my Shepard being independent, though probably surrounding himself with various ex-Cerberus operatives and other fringers and independents who aren't afraid to do truly terrible deeds for their own goals. He'd have loved to have gotten Cerberus on his side, but they're indoctrinated. It's a real shame, since my Shepard does admire TIM. It's a matter of Shepard simply having no choice but to fight him. He doesn't want to do it, since he believes whole-heartedly that TIM and Cerberus would have been his most useful allies if they weren't indoctrinated.

[themikefest]

eyezonlyii wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

jtav wrote...

The previous games give Shep plenty of reasons to become cynical regarding the Alliance and for Shepard to be forcibly happy is greatly to the detriment of RP. Yes, Shep must be Alliance for the sake of the plot, but a little grumbling and snark wouldn't come amiss.

Definitely this. Yes, I understand why Shepard must work with the alliance, but I don't understand why he has to become their schoolboy again. I don't understand why I can't be a jerkass to them. I don't even understand why I have to technically accept being reinstated into the alliance again. I can very easily work with them, while not actually being a part of them. It goes against the grain of what I wanted to be able to do in the game, of what Casey Hudson promised we could do: "You can RP a Shepard that is totally against the alliance and able to call them out on past actions"

Aside from not pouncing on the Collectors, what other actions would you call them out on?
I honestly am curious, I know I may come off as pestering you about your viewpoint of Cerberus, but I find it interesting and really am trying to understand. In other words, I'm not trying to troll or antagonize you, my questions are only meant to gather more information.

They made no effort in going to the crash site of the SR1 to see if anything could be salvageable. Had they done this, they would've picked up the 20 sets of dogtags and given to the families for closure. That right there tells me they have no interest in protecting their own. I would like to hear the excuse they give the family members at why they waited so long to give the dogtags to them. We had to wait for Shepard to come back to life to retrieve them.

How hard would it of been for Anderson to send Joker, Kaidan/Ashley and others to investigate the sight? Because he's a moron.and his side kick, Hackett, is just as much of a moron. Of course Udina didn't give a crap either way, so he wouldn't be much help.

Also why didn't they make any effort to find a way to stop the reapers? They say we trust/believe Shepard, but when he/she is gone they forget about it.

I am also surprised that the Turians made no effort to investigate the loss of the SR1 since they had helped build the ship.

[eyezonlyii]

themikefest wrote...

eyezonlyii wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

jtav wrote...

The previous games give Shep plenty of reasons to become cynical regarding the Alliance and for Shepard to be forcibly happy is greatly to the detriment of RP. Yes, Shep must be Alliance for the sake of the plot, but a little grumbling and snark wouldn't come amiss.

Definitely this. Yes, I understand why Shepard must work with the alliance, but I don't understand why he has to become their schoolboy again. I don't understand why I can't be a jerkass to them. I don't even understand why I have to technically accept being reinstated into the alliance again. I can very easily work with them, while not actually being a part of them. It goes against the grain of what I wanted to be able to do in the game, of what Casey Hudson promised we could do: "You can RP a Shepard that is totally against the alliance and able to call them out on past actions"

Aside from not pouncing on the Collectors, what other actions would you call them out on?
I honestly am curious, I know I may come off as pestering you about your viewpoint of Cerberus, but I find it interesting and really am trying to understand. In other words, I'm not trying to troll or antagonize you, my questions are only meant to gather more information.

They made no effort in going to the crash site of the SR1 to see if anything could be salvageable. Had they done this, they would've picked up the 20 sets of dogtags and given to the families for closure. That right there tells me they have no interest in protecting their own. I would like to hear the excuse they give the family members at why they waited so long to give the dogtags to them. We had to wait for Shepard to come back to life to retrieve them.

How hard would it of been for Anderson to send Joker, Kaidan/Ashley and others to investigate the sight? Because he's a moron.and his side kick, Hackett, is just as much of a moron. Of course Udina didn't give a crap either way, so he wouldn't be much help.

Also why didn't they make any effort to find a way to stop the reapers? They say we trust/believe Shepard, but when he/she is gone they forget about it.

I am also surprised that the Turians made no effort to investigate the loss of the SR1 since they had helped build the ship.

I feel like that is more of a Bioware "for the feelz" moment than anything on the Alliance. Even in ME1 after Eden Prime, they went in to reclaim bodies of soldiers, even if some where being held for testing. That tells me that the "two year" waiting period was just because Bioware wanted the player to reflect on what happened because otherwise, using ingame, lgic, you're right the Alliance does come off as stupid/insincere.

As for organizations and what not, I think a better oucome for the series should have been something along the lines of Alliance->Cerberus (due to coma in space, not death)->Spectre. This way we could see Shepard's influence on the world grow more organically AND in 3 would have had more of an option to play for either the Alliance or Cerberus.

[Nerevar-as]

They DID go for the bodies though. Otherwise the tags would be on the crewmembers remains. Just don´t get why they left the tags behind, or why some were inside containers.

You can write emotional AND plausible at the same time BW. But ME2 had several points where it looks they just were going through the motions.

[Reorte]

Going back to the original post, clashes are fine IF there's a non-clash alternative. There's nothing wrong with allowing a player to act completely inconsistently; if that option isn't available then you're not really able to roleplay something a bit more convincing. It's not roleplaying if you don't make the choice.