thetinyevil wrote...
Really? The same Cullen who wanted to used the Tranquil Solution. The same one who wanted the mages and templars who went against Meredith tortured and executed. He was as bad as Meredith. The majority of Clergy and Templars see mages as evil curesed creates that either need to be controlled or destroyed.
Then I guess they should also pick up people who have mentel illness and kill them to becuase they are dangerous and not normal. Or leaders who have become are unstable, they could send their armies to level village after village for whatever reason, they need to be killed becuase they are dangerous and normal people need to be protected.Threat300 wrote...
thetinyevil wrote...
Really? The same Cullen who wanted to used the Tranquil Solution. The same one who wanted the mages and templars who went against Meredith tortured and executed. He was as bad as Meredith. The majority of Clergy and Templars see mages as evil curesed creates that either need to be controlled or destroyed.
Mages are dangerous, they need watched & in some cases killed to protect normal people.
Modifié par thetinyevil, 20 décembre 2013 - 12:29 .
Modifié par SgtSteel91, 20 décembre 2013 - 12:28 .
Indeed, she was doing everything the templars and Seekers wanted. That's why Lambert decided to revoke the Nevarran Accord and leave the Chantry, I suppose. It wasn't because the divine aided the mages.thetinyevil wrote...
The Divine had no choice to let them walk out. Since Wynn pulled a fast one and it wasn't just the mages there that new about the tranquility cure. But of course she also sentenced Pharamond to the living hell that is Tranquility again. The poor man lived a month in hell, without turning into an abomination(shocking I know), before he was mercifully killed. She was weak and let her templars and seekers make all the decisions for her.
thetinyevil wrote...
Then I guess they should also pick up people who have mentel illness and kill them to becuase they are dangerous and not normal. Or leaders who have become are unstable, they could send their armies to level village after village for whatever reason, they need to be killed becuase they are dangerous and normal people need to be protected.Threat300 wrote...
thetinyevil wrote...
Really? The same Cullen who wanted to used the Tranquil Solution. The same one who wanted the mages and templars who went against Meredith tortured and executed. He was as bad as Meredith. The majority of Clergy and Templars see mages as evil curesed creates that either need to be controlled or destroyed.
Mages are dangerous, they need watched & in some cases killed to protect normal people.
She went against the templars and seekers once. But that doesn't make up for the fact everything else she did.hhh89 wrote...
Indeed, she was doing everything the templars and Seekers wanted. That's why Lambert decided to revoke the Nevarran Accord and leave the Chantry, I suppose. It wasn't because the divine aided the mages.thetinyevil wrote...
The Divine had no choice to let them walk out. Since Wynn pulled a fast one and it wasn't just the mages there that new about the tranquility cure. But of course she also sentenced Pharamond to the living hell that is Tranquility again. The poor man lived a month in hell, without turning into an abomination(shocking I know), before he was mercifully killed. She was weak and let her templars and seekers make all the decisions for her.
Uhm... Are there a reason to NOT remove any of the ones you mention from public and/or remove them from power and keep an eye on them?thetinyevil wrote...
Then I guess they should also pick up people who have mentel illness and kill them to becuase they are dangerous and not normal. Or leaders who have become are unstable, they could send their armies to level village after village for whatever reason, they need to be killed becuase they are dangerous and normal people need to be protected.Threat300 wrote...
thetinyevil wrote...
Really? The same Cullen who wanted to used the Tranquil Solution. The same one who wanted the mages and templars who went against Meredith tortured and executed. He was as bad as Meredith. The majority of Clergy and Templars see mages as evil curesed creates that either need to be controlled or destroyed.
Mages are dangerous, they need watched & in some cases killed to protect normal people.
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Modifié par hhh89, 20 décembre 2013 - 12:43 .
Right. Sure. Yeah.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Uhm... Are there a reason to NOT remove any of the ones you mention from public and/or remove them from power and keep an eye on them?thetinyevil wrote...
Then I guess they should also pick up people who have mentel illness and kill them to becuase they are dangerous and not normal. Or leaders who have become are unstable, they could send their armies to level village after village for whatever reason, they need to be killed becuase they are dangerous and normal people need to be protected.Threat300 wrote...
thetinyevil wrote...
Really? The same Cullen who wanted to used the Tranquil Solution. The same one who wanted the mages and templars who went against Meredith tortured and executed. He was as bad as Meredith. The majority of Clergy and Templars see mages as evil curesed creates that either need to be controlled or destroyed.
Mages are dangerous, they need watched & in some cases killed to protect normal people.
And your "kill them" argument is a non-sequitur, since mages are NOT just killed outright for being mages.
Modifié par thetinyevil, 20 décembre 2013 - 12:52 .
Yeah. I do.hhh89 wrote...
@thetinyevil: Regardless of the fact that I disagree on your point, where I ever said that she's good? All I'm saying is that her opinion is different from Meredith. She helped the mages escape against the templars. If her opinion was the same as Meredith, she would've sided with Lambert.
The face that most pro-mages I saw (even some who are very anti-Chantry) have at least a decent opinion of her, should speak for her being different from Meredith. My point is the not everyone in the templar order and the Chantry are like Meredith. I have you two examples. Do you need others?
thetinyevil wrote...
Yeah. I do.
I don't think he is actually interested in understanding why he is wrong...hhh89 wrote...
thetinyevil wrote...
Yeah. I do.
Thrask. Evangeline. Elthina. Gregoir. If you consider her part of the Chantry, Leliana.
Elthina made excuses for Meredith and let her run wild. Leliana is as anti-mage as you can get. Listen to what she has to say when you talk to her during Sebastian quest. She blames the mages completely for what going on in Kirkwall and wants the Exlated March as much as Meredith wants the R.O.A. Gregoir was a P.O.S who beats on pregnant women and hates mages as much as Meredith.hhh89 wrote...
thetinyevil wrote...
Yeah. I do.
Thrask. Evangeline. Elthina. Gregoir. If you consider her part of the Chantry, Leliana.
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thetinyevil wrote...
Elthina made excuses for Meredith and let her run wild. Leliana is as anti-mage as you can get. Listen to what she has to say when you talk to her during Sebastian quest. She blames the mages completely for what going on in Kirkwall and wants the Exlated March as much as Meredith wants the R.O.A.loans Gregoir was a P.O.S who beats on pregnant women and hates mages as much as Meredith.hhh89 wrote...
thetinyevil wrote...
Yeah. I do.
Thrask. Evangeline. Elthina. Gregoir. If you consider her part of the Chantry, Leliana.
I will give you Thrask and Evangeline.
Same could be said for you. You just as blindly zealous.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
See what I said h to the double h? Can't really work with blind zealotry like that.
Modifié par hhh89, 20 décembre 2013 - 01:07 .
Got me there. I just really dislike Leliana.almostinsane99 wrote...
thetinyevil wrote...
Elthina made excuses for Meredith and let her run wild. Leliana is as anti-mage as you can get. Listen to what she has to say when you talk to her during Sebastian quest. She blames the mages completely for what going on in Kirkwall and wants the Exlated March as much as Meredith wants the R.O.A.loans Gregoir was a P.O.S who beats on pregnant women and hates mages as much as Meredith.hhh89 wrote...
thetinyevil wrote...
Yeah. I do.
Thrask. Evangeline. Elthina. Gregoir. If you consider her part of the Chantry, Leliana.
I will give you Thrask and Evangeline.
If Leliana was anti-mage, why did she help Mages escape the White Spire instead of helping Lambert?
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
David Gaider indicated on another thread that after the Chantry was blown up Meredith invoking the R.o.A was perfectly legal.
Makes sense. Lacking any local higher authority, and with waiting for a reply (which could take weeks or months) being possibly disastrous and out of the question, it is not uncommon for the local commander to have full command.
Circumstances dictate different reponse and solutions.I can't seem to find the thread, but he clearly said that she was legally bound to invoke the Right now that Elthina is dead.
You are not remembering correctly.
She has a legal right to invoke it, but she wasn't boud to do anything. In fact, DG said her annulment was borderline legal and if she survived, she would have been in a lot of trouble.
David Gaider wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Meridith
is not a member of the Chantry Clergy and certainly not the Grand
Cleric. She had no more right to declare a Right of Annulment than
KCGregoire did (under far more dire conditions). She was obligated to
seek permission from Divine Justina in absence of a local Grand Cleric,
And you decided this when, exactly?
A
Knight-Commander is second-in-command next to the Grand Cleric. With
Elthina's death, Meredith was legally in command of the Kirkwall
Chantry-- such as it was, and certainly in the absence of any ranking
Revered Mother or the Divine herself. Cullen's objection was not that
her invocation of the Rite was illegal, it was that it was unjustified.
Modifié par Lord Raijin, 20 décembre 2013 - 01:08 .
thetinyevil wrote...
Same could be said for you. You just as blindly zealous.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
See what I said h to the double h? Can't really work with blind zealotry like that.
hhh89 wrote...
@thetinyevil: I'm not going to debate again on characters. Even considering your two 'approved' characters, we have four (with Cullen, that disagreed with Meredith on the RoA and Justinia) characters that shown different opinions about Meredith's. So not every templars and priests would be okay with what Meredith did. Which means you were wrong (other than the face that Gaider stated that Meredith would've probably be punished for what she did).
Modifié par thetinyevil, 20 décembre 2013 - 01:18 .
Neither have I. But this has nothing to do with the the comment. Also unlike Emperor if I am wrong I will admit it and I will consider what other people say.Veruin wrote...
thetinyevil wrote...
Same could be said for you. You just as blindly zealous.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
See what I said h to the double h? Can't really work with blind zealotry like that.
I've yet to see Emperor slander people simply because he doesn't like them.
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Modifié par hhh89, 20 décembre 2013 - 01:20 .
almostinsane99 wrote...
Would people on here kill each other if they were in Thedas?
Just wondering...
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