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[SgtSteel91]

Veruin wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Grab blood samples and see which ones react to heated metal.

I can't tell if you're joking.  Is that seriously the method they use?

It's from John Carpenter's The Thing

[Cleatcleat]

Templars aren't natural, they're just normal people that eat lyrium. Eating that stuff rots their minds and they go crazy in various degrees, some helpful crazy like a couple templars in DAO (boat guy and funeral chantry guy) or bad crazy (Half the Templars in DA2).

Mages though are a natural thing, they're born that way and grow into their powers. It'd be better if mage training / education was given to all people. Everyone should study magic in classes right after language, math, gym, etc in school. While not everyone would have the talent to preform spells, they'd at least learn about magic and be better educated about it. A stronger social group with better emotional bonds to help each other would mean well trained mages able to take on their demons in the fade and less likely to become aboms.

Eh that's just my two cents, back to watching Misfits on Hulu.

[Br3admax]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

mages and tempars are srs bsns

Don't joke about oppression, Snookie. It's not like mages are a danger or anything. It's like slavery, without the work. 

[TK514]

thetinyevil wrote...

YOU ARE DEHUMANIZING THEM! Did you not read the whole thing? THEY WOULD NOT GET ANYMORE RIGHTS IN  A GENERATION OR TWO! MORE RIGHTS WOULD BE TAKEN FROM THEM!!! THEY WOULD BE MADE INTO WORK ANIMALS!

This is an Outra- no.  Wait.  No.  I'm ok with this outcome.  Carry on.

[HiroVoid]

Cleatcleat wrote...

Templars aren't natural, they're just normal people that eat lyrium. Eating that stuff rots their minds and they go crazy in various degrees, some helpful crazy like a couple templars in DAO (boat guy and funeral chantry guy) or bad crazy (Half the Templars in DA2).

Mages though are a natural thing, they're born that way and grow into their powers. It'd be better if mage training / education was given to all people. Everyone should study magic in classes right after language, math, gym, etc in school. While not everyone would have the talent to preform spells, they'd at least learn about magic and be better educated about it. A stronger social group with better emotional bonds to help each other would mean well trained mages able to take on their demons in the fade and less likely to become aboms.

Eh that's just my two cents, back to watching Misfits on Hulu.

Well, that's a good idea.....except Thedas doesn't have a school system.  The closest they're only just approaching now is the universities in Orlais and the one Anora's said to start up if made queen.

[Steelcan]

You know what's also natural? Rattlesnakes, nicotine, stricnine, wasps, etc...

[Master Warder Z_]

Steelcan wrote...

You know what's also natural? Rattlesnakes, nicotine, stricnine, wasps, etc...

Indeed a fair point.

"Natural" doesn't automatically equate to "good or positive".

[The Baconer]

Eject all mundanes from Tevinter, and cart all mages off to the area.

Alternatively, work to remove the Qunari from Seheron, establish a mage-only society there. I figure in this scenario they'd be so occupied fending off Qunari that they wouldn't be able to try and conquer any of its neighbors.

[Clocks4]

Unless the process involves making the process of turning mage's "Tranquil" strictly voluntary, should a mage wish to be made so, then its still unfair to the mages. Doing so should result in the offending templar(s) being immediately expelled from the order. An obvious exception would be if a mage is caught in the act of working with demons or using their magic to willfully do harm to innocents. This is the only exception.

Also a new group, independent of both the chantry AND the mages would have to be made to enforce fair treatment of templars AND mages within the circle. These overseers would have the right to force a templar to be relocated to a position where they do not come into contact with mages, like working security at a temple, the right to have templars or mages imprisoned, or to decide if the circle needs to be put on lock down, like if the events of the circle in DA:O were to be repeated.

That would make things more reasonable, since templars wouldn't be able to get away with abusing their power, but mages would still be kept under watch and made to learn how to control their magic.

Also, all mages have a right to undergo the harrowing. None are just forced to go straight to being made tranquil.

[Zazzerka]

Steelcan wrote...

You know what's also natural? Rattlesnakes, nicotine, stricnine, wasps, etc...

You know what's unnatural? Plutonium.

Check and mate, radioactive Templar scum.

[HiroVoid]

Red lyrium is also natural.....as far as I know.

[thetinyevil]

Testing mages for possession: The way Anders did in DA2 and testing for blood magic would be a little easier just make sure that all mages have at least some kind of healing spells since blood mages are not supposed to be able to use healing magic. So just have them heal a small cut on someone to test for blood magic use.

[TK514]

The Baconer wrote...

Eject all mundanes from Tevinter, and cart all mages off to the area.

Alternatively, work to remove the Qunari from Seheron, establish a mage-only society there. I figure in this scenario they'd be so occupied fending off Qunari that they wouldn't be able to try and conquer any of its neighbors.

Now there's something I hadn't thought of.  Since the mages don't like Chantry/Templar oversight, we can give the mages to the Qunari.

Modifié par TK514, 19 décembre 2013 - 04:22 .

[HiroVoid]

Clocks4 wrote...

Unless the process involves making the process of turning mage's "Tranquil" strictly voluntary, should a mage wish to be made so, then its still unfair to the mages. Doing so should result in the offending templar(s) being immediately expelled from the order. An obvious exception would be if a mage is caught in the act of working with demons or using their magic to willfully do harm to innocents. This is the only exception..

You can't really expel templars due to their lyrium addiction.  You either have to punish them yourself or execute them.

[HiroVoid]

thetinyevil wrote...

Testing mages for possession: The way Anders did in DA2 and testing for blood magic would be a little easier just make sure that all mages have at least some kind of healing spells since blood mages are not supposed to be able to use healing magic. So just have them heal a small cut on someone to test for blood magic use.

You can't make sure all mages have some kind of healing spells.  Some mages don't have the abililty or power to do so.  The 'Creation' school of magic in particular is generally considered to be the hardest.  http://dragonage.wik...Magic:_Creation

Modifié par HiroVoid, 19 décembre 2013 - 04:28 .

[Br3admax]

Zazzerka wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

You know what's also natural? Rattlesnakes, nicotine, stricnine, wasps, etc...

You know what's unnatural? Plutonium.

Check and mate, radioactive Templar scum.

This is a false statement in almost every way, m8. 

[thetinyevil]

HiroVoid wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

Testing mages for possession: The way Anders did in DA2 and testing for blood magic would be a little easier just make sure that all mages have at least some kind of healing spells since blood mages are not supposed to be able to use healing magic. So just have them heal a small cut on someone to test for blood magic use.

You can't make sure aall mages have some kind of healing spells.  Some mages don't have the abililty or power to do so.  The 'Creation' school of magic in particular is generally considered to be the hardest.  http://dragonage.wik...Magic:_Creation

Just a thought. 

[Master Warder Z_]

HiroVoid wrote...

Clocks4 wrote...

Unless the process involves making the process of turning mage's "Tranquil" strictly voluntary, should a mage wish to be made so, then its still unfair to the mages. Doing so should result in the offending templar(s) being immediately expelled from the order. An obvious exception would be if a mage is caught in the act of working with demons or using their magic to willfully do harm to innocents. This is the only exception..

You can't really expel templars due to their lyrium addiction.  You either have to punish them yourself or execute them.

Furthermore i think one of the things that must remain strictly within the templar's domain is the right.

Both the Knight Commander and Grand Enchanter must agree to us it as it was in the prior circle i see no issue with that arrangement personally.

In Kirkwall though; more extreme methods had to be used what with Orsino actively harboring and conducting research with the mage underground and "kirkwall killer" .

When the person whom is supposed to aid you in keeping the peace is actively working against you, somethings occasionally be done to keep order and peace.

But that said unless if the situation prompts i think both parties must agree to the usage of the right, however i don't think consent is nessary truely considering they are both a circle and chantry resource.  But if the situation does prompt i think the templars should have the right to exercise the right themselves with out agreement from the enchanter.

[Snook]

Br3ad wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

mages and tempars are srs bsns

Don't joke about oppression, Snookie. It's not like mages are a danger or anything. It's like slavery, without the work. 

I was a mage once.

I understand pain. 

[thetinyevil]

wolfhowwl wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...
YOU ARE DEHUMANIZING THEM! Did you not read the whole thing? THEY WOULD NOT GET ANYMORE RIGHTS IN  A GENERATION OR TWO! MORE RIGHTS WOULD BE TAKEN FROM THEM!!! THEY WOULD BE MADE INTO WORK ANIMALS! 

Also MAGES CAN CONTROL THEIR ****ING POWER! THEY ARE NOT BOMBS WAITING TO GO OFF! 

God I hate Cullen. If he is in the next game then I hope there is an option to kill him. Or at least hand him over to some blood mages.

[Master Warder Z_]

thetinyevil wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...
YOU ARE DEHUMANIZING THEM! Did you not read the whole thing? THEY WOULD NOT GET ANYMORE RIGHTS IN  A GENERATION OR TWO! MORE RIGHTS WOULD BE TAKEN FROM THEM!!! THEY WOULD BE MADE INTO WORK ANIMALS! 

Also MAGES CAN CONTROL THEIR ****ING POWER! THEY ARE NOT BOMBS WAITING TO GO OFF! 

God I hate Cullen. If he is in the next game then I hope there is an option to kill him. Or at least hand him over to some blood mages.

That wouldn't do much to foster Mage/Templar relations.

[Dave of Canada]

HiroVoid wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

Testing mages for possession: The way Anders did in DA2 and testing for blood magic would be a little easier just make sure that all mages have at least some kind of healing spells since blood mages are not supposed to be able to use healing magic. So just have them heal a small cut on someone to test for blood magic use.

You can't make sure all mages have some kind of healing spells.  Some mages don't have the abililty or power to do so.  The 'Creation' school of magic in particular is generally considered to be the hardest.  http://dragonage.wik...Magic:_Creation

Not really a problem, we'd cull the rest and only the strong would exist.

[Zazzerka]

Br3ad wrote...

This is a false statement in almost every way, m8.

Yeah, I goof'd.

Okay, handguns. Try and find one of those occuring in nature.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 19 décembre 2013 - 04:32 .

[Master Warder Z_]

Dave of Canada wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

Testing mages for possession: The way Anders did in DA2 and testing for blood magic would be a little easier just make sure that all mages have at least some kind of healing spells since blood mages are not supposed to be able to use healing magic. So just have them heal a small cut on someone to test for blood magic use.

You can't make sure all mages have some kind of healing spells.  Some mages don't have the abililty or power to do so.  The 'Creation' school of magic in particular is generally considered to be the hardest.  http://dragonage.wik...Magic:_Creation

Not really a problem, we'd cull the rest and only the strong would exist.

That would make controlling them far easier certainly.

[Br3admax]

Zazzerka wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

This is a false statement in almost every way, m8.

Yeah, I goof'd.

Okay, handguns. Try and find one of those occuring in nature.