eluvianix wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Anders is far better looking
Anders is hot, I will grant you. But next to Cullen, he is nothing.
mx_keep13 wrote...
You know who's really hot: Anders burning at the stake.
mx_keep13 wrote...
Well Anders and Kirkwall made me hate mages and I was a mage!!! It took me an hour to pick a side.eluvianix wrote...
"Used to be".mx_keep13 wrote...
I'm not an anders fan he's why I used to be pro-templar.eluvianix wrote...
mx_keep13 wrote...
You know who's really hot: Anders burning at the stake.
Dang. That's pretty cold, man.
Lord Raijin wrote...
mx_keep13 wrote...
Well Anders and Kirkwall made me hate mages and I was a mage!!! It took me an hour to pick a side.eluvianix wrote...
"Used to be".mx_keep13 wrote...
I'm not an anders fan he's why I used to be pro-templar.eluvianix wrote...
mx_keep13 wrote...
You know who's really hot: Anders burning at the stake.
Dang. That's pretty cold, man.
Anders was fighting for the freeom of mages. Can you hate him for doing that?
dragonflight288 wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
mx_keep13 wrote...
Well Anders and Kirkwall made me hate mages and I was a mage!!! It took me an hour to pick a side.eluvianix wrote...
"Used to be".mx_keep13 wrote...
I'm not an anders fan he's why I used to be pro-templar.eluvianix wrote...
mx_keep13 wrote...
You know who's really hot: Anders burning at the stake.
Dang. That's pretty cold, man.
Anders was fighting for the freeom of mages. Can you hate him for doing that?
You can hate him, from a certain perspective, of provoking a war and setting a dangerous precedent. Or you can hate him for killing innocents in the Chantry.
Whether you believe Elthina was innocent or not is up for interpretation as there is some pretty good evidence to go either way, but it is possible to hate him.
I hated that he used me to bomb the chantry, that he forced everyone's hand . It was the right reasons wrong methods, Justice made him take on this black and white morality that made anyone that didn't agree with him his enemy.I guess my problem isn't with Anders it's with justice, it twisted anders into a pro mage caricature. It made me see killing anders as a mercy because he wouldn't have to live with justice struggling to contain it.Lord Raijin wrote...
mx_keep13 wrote...
Well Anders and Kirkwall made me hate mages and I was a mage!!! It took me an hour to pick a side.eluvianix wrote...
"Used to be".mx_keep13 wrote...
I'm not an anders fan he's why I used to be pro-templar.eluvianix wrote...
mx_keep13 wrote...
You know who's really hot: Anders burning at the stake.
Dang. That's pretty cold, man.
Anders was fighting for the freeom of mages. Can you hate him for doing that?
Nah, what if Anders went on a rampage and that was Carver? And templar Carver = hot. Isabela said so.Lord Raijin wrote...
You know whats really hot? Anders eletrifying some templar turds
Carver made me wish there was an incest option.Youth4Ever wrote...
Nah, what if Anders went on a rampage and that was Carver? And templar Carver = hot. Isabela said so.Lord Raijin wrote...
You know whats really hot? Anders eletrifying some templar turds
Lord Raijin wrote...
When first played DA2 I executed him for doing what he did out of ignorance. As I progressed throughout my gameplays I realize just how right Anders was. The one who actually provoked the war and setting a dangerous precedent was in fact Elthina. She did nothing to end Meredith tyrany, and as her boss she is held responsible for everything that Meredith did to the City and therefour what she got was well deserved. Unfortunelty it was her that brought danger to the innocent people in the Chantry by her course of actions.
Lord Raijin wrote...
I use to suffer from old woman syndrome; where I use to believe that old women such as Elthina could not possibly do evil things... but Elthina changed my mind. Shes an arrogent old woman who thinks shes untouchable just because shes the Grand Cleric. When first played DA2 I executed him for doing what he did out of ignorance. As I progressed throughout my gameplays I realize just how right Anders was. The one who actually provoked the war and setting a dangerous precedent was in fact Elthina. She did nothing to end Meredith tyrany, and as her boss she is held responsible for everything that Meredith did to the City and therefour what she got was well deserved. Unfortunelty it was her that brought danger to the innocent people in the Chantry by her course of actions.
. Only a dummy like Anders would attack the one person preventing Meredith from annuling the circle. She's right to think no one is going to attack her. She's beloved throughout the Free Marches, a voice of reason and peace, she's attempting to mediate the situation and rein Meredith in without being being obvious about it and getting fired for subverting chantry interests in the region. If it comes down to it, she has to side with Meredith, that's politics, and that she went out of her way to prevent the annulment and an exalted march on Kirkwall says she cares and was doing everything she could to help the circle. SMH.
Modifié par Youth4Ever, 26 décembre 2013 - 03:43 .
He was the hottest guy in game next to Sebastian for me. <3 A shame they'd waste that character model on the PC's brother.eluvianix wrote...
Carver made me wish there was an incest option.
If only Seb was biYouth4Ever wrote...
He was the hottest guy in game next to Sebastian for me. <3 A shame they'd waste that character model on the PC's brother.eluvianix wrote...
Carver made me wish there was an incest option.
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Youth4Ever wrote...
Nah, what if Anders went on a rampage and that was Carver? And templar Carver = hot. Isabela said so.Lord Raijin wrote...
You know whats really hot? Anders eletrifying some templar turds
TK514 wrote...
Did you really just try to blame Elthinia
for Anders blowing up the Chantry? You must also blame assault victims
for daring to walk down the street, or victims of robbery for only
having locks on their doors.
Anyway, my favorite thing to do with
Anders these days is to rival him, spare him, and then have him help me
wipe out the Kirkwall mages. Death was too easy for him, but having
him take an active part in the extermination he set in motion is a
poetic justice.
Youth4Ever wrote...
[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie].
Only a dummy like Anders would attack the one person preventing
Meredith from annuling the circle. She's right to think no one is going
to attack her. She's beloved throughout the Free Marches, a voice of
reason and peace, she's attempting to mediate the situation and rein
Meredith in without being being obvious about it and getting fired for
subverting chantry interests in the region. If it comes down to it, she
has to side with Meredith, that's politics, and that she went out of her
way to prevent the annulment and an exalted march on Kirkwall says she
cares and was doing everything she could to help the circle.
SMH.
That Grand Cleric is hawt <3
eluvianix wrote...
If only Seb was biYouth4Ever wrote...
He was the hottest guy in game next to Sebastian for me. <3 A shame they'd waste that character model on the PC's brother.eluvianix wrote...
Carver made me wish there was an incest option.
The true victims were the mages. Mages like Karl, the elven tranquil you hear talking to her former boyfriend in the Gallows, Alain and his Starkhaven friends who were either slaughtered or illegally made tranquil to set an example to orther mages. Mages deserve to seek justice, and they did when Anders blew up the Chantry.
TK514 wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
When first played DA2 I executed him for doing what he did out of ignorance. As I progressed throughout my gameplays I realize just how right Anders was. The one who actually provoked the war and setting a dangerous precedent was in fact Elthina. She did nothing to end Meredith tyrany, and as her boss she is held responsible for everything that Meredith did to the City and therefour what she got was well deserved. Unfortunelty it was her that brought danger to the innocent people in the Chantry by her course of actions.
Did you really just try to blame Elthinia for Anders blowing up the Chantry? You must also blame assault victims for daring to walk down the street, or victims of robbery for only having locks on their doors.
Anyway, my favorite thing to do with Anders these days is to rival him, spare him, and then have him help me wipe out the Kirkwall mages. Death was too easy for him, but having him take an active part in the extermination he set in motion is a poetic justice.
Callista's pretty cool for a scheming byotch.Lord Raijin wrote...
Off topic here.... but I'm strugging to bash the Chantry when I keep having to look at your avatar
Except its not that simple. The templar order is adjacent to the Chantry, and not under it, and the Kirkwall templars have leverage as the city's de facto army. Meredith can run the circle how she wants to for the most part, and she's the kind of templar that won't tolerate interference in her duties. And she takes power as Viscount, so to challenge Meredith as KC is challenging her ability to rule in all dimensions, and subverting big time Chantry/Templar/Orlesian interests in the region. If Elthina pushes Meredith too hard, she's getting removed from her position as Grand Cleric by some chantry higher ups with some ready-to-go BS excuse, or she risks acclerating the templar split from the chantry - handing effectively a chantry province over to the templars which won't go down well in Val Royeaux.Ok back on track
Elthina was Meredith's boss. She had the authority to tell Meredith to knock off the crap that shes doing to the mages.
What is she supposed to do? She can't just order Meredith around. That's not how it works. Meredith has far more power in this arrangment than you're giving her credit for.This was going on for so long that she should've done something about it, and she didn't.
Anders was dumb. The circle was annulled, everybody was killed, and nothing changed. Anders 2.0 aka Adrian started the rebellion, not him, and she stooped to trickery and sunk to some despicable personal lows to do it. Its plain to me that violence was not the go to solution and never was.Anders was willing to compromise with her and to have a civil discussion, but apparently that didn't go as plan, and the only result was to blow up the Chantry with Elthina inside. Is it sad? Yes. It is sad that a life was taken away, but it is also sad that rape, physical abuse, and illegal tranqulization was going on under Elthina's control.
They got no justice. They were killed, everywhere else there was a crackdown, and the college of Magi was shutdown. Such justice. Praise Anders.<_<The true victims were the mages. Mages like Karl, the elven tranquil you hear talking to her former boyfriend in the Gallows, Alain and his Starkhaven friends who were either slaughtered or illegally made tranquil to set an example to orther mages. Mages deserve to seek justice, and they did when Anders blew up the Chantry.
Modifié par Youth4Ever, 26 décembre 2013 - 04:47 .
Not one of his best moments.The Baconer wrote...
Anders doesn't have any credibility. The fact that he practically cackles with glee if you sell Fenris to slaving blood mage confirms this.
eluvianix wrote...
Not one of his best moments.The Baconer wrote...
Anders doesn't have any credibility. The fact that he practically cackles with glee if you sell Fenris to slaving blood mage confirms this.
Hush, you!AresKeith wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Not one of his best moments.The Baconer wrote...
Anders doesn't have any credibility. The fact that he practically cackles with glee if you sell Fenris to slaving blood mage confirms this.
He has one in DA2?
dragonflight288 wrote...
The true victims were the mages. Mages like Karl, the elven tranquil you hear talking to her former boyfriend in the Gallows, Alain and his Starkhaven friends who were either slaughtered or illegally made tranquil to set an example to orther mages. Mages deserve to seek justice, and they did when Anders blew up the Chantry.
And here I must paraphrase Isabella.
What of the victims caught in the crossfire? The innocent templars or chantry sisters who are not involved and genuinely wish to do the best they can to help? Don't they also deserve justice should they be attacked by mages seeking justice in turn? And then where does seeking retribution and justice end? Who decides who deserves more justice?
I generally side with mages because I hold templars at more fault than I do mages because templars and the chantry have more power over the lives of mages, their rights, their safety, and even their deaths. But what of templars like Kerren? He joined the order as a way to support his sister, he later quits the order and becomes a mercenary because he couldn't keep working for Meredith, but he was in the order for close to seven years, would he not be an innocent in this war?
Youth4Ever wrote...
Callista's pretty cool for a scheming byotch.Lord Raijin wrote...
Off topic here.... but I'm strugging to bash the Chantry when I keep having to look at your avatarExcept its not that simple. The templar order is adjacent to the Chantry, and not under it, and the Kirkwall templars have leverage as the city's de facto army. Meredith can run the circle how she wants to for the most part, and she's the kind of templar that won't tolerate interference in her duties. And she takes power as Viscount, so to challenge Meredith as KC is challenging her ability to rule in all dimensions, and subverting big time Chantry/Templar/Orlesian interests in the region. If Elthina pushes Meredith too hard, she's getting removed from her position as Grand Cleric by some chantry higher ups with some ready-to-go BS excuse, or she risks acclerating the templar split from the chantry - handing effectively a chantry province over to the templars which won't go down well in Val Royeaux.Ok back on track
Elthina was Meredith's boss. She had the authority to tell Meredith to knock off the crap that shes doing to the mages.What is she supposed to do? She can't just order Meredith around. That's not how it works. Meredith has far more power in this arrangment than you're giving her credit for.This was going on for so long that she should've done something about it, and she didn't.
Anders was dumb. The circle was annulled, everybody was killed, and nothing changed. Anders 2.0 aka Adrian started the rebellion, not him, and she stooped to trickery and sunk to some despicable personal lows to do it. Its plain to me that violence was not the go to solution and never was.Anders was willing to compromise with her and to have a civil discussion, but apparently that didn't go as plan, and the only result was to blow up the Chantry with Elthina inside. Is it sad? Yes. It is sad that a life was taken away, but it is also sad that rape, physical abuse, and illegal tranqulization was going on under Elthina's control.
They got no justice. They were killed, everywhere else there was a crackdown, and the college of Magi was shutdown. Such justice. Praise Anders.<_<The true victims were the mages. Mages like Karl, the elven tranquil you hear talking to her former boyfriend in the Gallows, Alain and his Starkhaven friends who were either slaughtered or illegally made tranquil to set an example to orther mages. Mages deserve to seek justice, and they did when Anders blew up the Chantry.
Lord Raijin wrote...
The day when an intitate takes their vows and start spreading the word about the Chant of Light (a known source thats known to bash mages) is the day that they become part of the problem at what goes on in Thedas.
Lord Raijin wrote...
They have no right to be called "innocent" especially when they get flat out rude when you refuse to let them "bless" you. They start calling you names and so on. They're intolerant of other religion.
Lord Raijin wrote...
Those Chantry sisters who were slain in the Chantry in Kirkwall were no innocent bystanders and neither were those "innocent" templars.
Lord Raijin wrote...
The true innocent who become a victim of the crossfires do infact deserve justice, especially if they're attacked by mages, but I can't possibly see mages attacking innocent bystanders. They're not at war with citizens of thedas... they're at war with the Chantry.
Lord Raijin wrote...
I don't remember Karan quitting the templars, but if he did then he is no longer a templar but of a mercenary. He knew what the Templars were doing was wrong, and he got out. Good job on his part.
Modifié par Veruin, 26 décembre 2013 - 05:54 .
The Baconer wrote...
Anders doesn't have any credibility. The fact that he practically cackles with glee if you sell Fenris to slaving blood mage confirms this.
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