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[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...

The Baconer wrote...

Anders doesn't have any credibility. The fact that he practically cackles with glee if you sell Fenris to slaving blood mage confirms this.

And I'm sure that Fenris would do the same if you surrendered Anders to the templars knowing that he will become tranquil or be executed. It goes both ways.

That hardly excuses or justifies Anders in that regard. It shouldn't matter if Fenris would do the same or not.

[Afro_Explosion]

Anders only cares about mage freedom and those that sympathize with him

[Lord Raijin]

Veruin wrote...
Back to the petty guilty by association bull****?

Explain to me why the Chantry sisters are considered "Innocent"? Because of their status? Bulls*** I don't buy that one bit.

Veruin wrote...
You complain that we shouldn't paint all mages with the same brush, yet you have no problem doing that with all revered mother's just because 1, (maybe two?  I'm pretty sure the girl in lothering didn't get mad.) start calling names?  Hypocrisy at its finest.

What I'm trying to say is that anyone who associates themselves with the Chantry shouldn't be called "Innocent" because the Chantry is a large problem at what goes on in Thedas. No religious organization should be this powerful and they should not run the Circles. That job is for the countries leaders; Kings/Queens Emperor/Empress/etc.

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

The Baconer wrote...

Anders doesn't have any credibility. The fact that he practically cackles with glee if you sell Fenris to slaving blood mage confirms this.

And I'm sure that Fenris would do the same if you surrendered Anders to the templars knowing that he will become tranquil or be executed. It goes both ways.

That hardly excuses or justifies Anders in that regard. It shouldn't matter if Fenris would do the same or not.

Fenris hates Anders and Anders hates Fenris.

Why should he care if Fenris returns to his master and become a slave again when Fenris feels the same way about the mages in Kirkwall. In fact if I become too pro-mage and have rival points on him he betrays me at the end, even after I killed his former master. So yeah why should Anders care for his freedom when he doesn't care for his as a mage? It works both ways.

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...
Why should he care if Fenris returns to his master and become a slave again when Fenris feels the same way about the mages in Kirkwall. In fact if I become too pro-mage and have rival points on him he betrays me at the end, even after I killed his former master. So yeah why should Anders care for his freedom when he doesn't care for his as a mage? It works both ways.

It should matter, Raijin, because slavery is a BAD THING. Period. I don't care that Fenris and Anders hate each others guts. Anders should care because selling people into slavery is not a good thing. It's **cking cruel.

Modifié par eluvianix, 26 décembre 2013 - 06:16 .

[Veruin]

Lord Raijin wrote...
Explain to me why the Chantry sisters are considered "Innocent"? Because of their status? Bulls*** I don't buy that one bit.

They are innocent as they have no power to change how the circles are run or even what happens.  The most they are probably in charge of is day to day maintence and prayers.  The only one you have any justifcation to even ATTEMPT to call guilty is Elthina.

Lord Raijin wrote...
What I'm trying to say is that anyone who associates themselves with the Chantry shouldn't be called "Innocent" because the Chantry is a large problem at what goes on in Thedas. No religious organization should be this powerful and they should not run the Circles. That job is for the countries leaders; Kings/Queens Emperor/Empress/etc.

Oddly enough I agree with you that religious organizations should have no place in politics (Probably out of my own personal bias).  If you want to blame the chantry, blame the ones on top who actually have the power to change how things work.  The priests in the small town villages, the peasants in the rotting wooden hovels do not have any of that power.  At best, they're busy struggling to get through day to day and stop by the chantry to pray to their god hoping someone is looking over them.  That times will eventually not be so bad.  

Until you can provide me with significant proof that they have as much influence as the ones on top, you can bet that I will continue to denounce this as "petty guilty by associaton bull****"  Unless I have been completely unaware of the yearly survey the chantry mails to each citizen in their nation where they vote on what happens in the circle.

Modifié par Veruin, 26 décembre 2013 - 06:24 .

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Why should he care if Fenris returns to his master and become a slave again when Fenris feels the same way about the mages in Kirkwall. In fact if I become too pro-mage and have rival points on him he betrays me at the end, even after I killed his former master. So yeah why should Anders care for his freedom when he doesn't care for his as a mage? It works both ways.

It should matter, Raijin, because slavery is a BAD THING. Period. I don't care that Fenris and Anders hate each others guts. Anders should care because selling people into slavery is not kind. It's **cking cruel.

So is imprisoning mages and locking them up in some tower for the rest of their lives, and forcing them to undergo a dangerous ritual to prove that they can resist deomic influences to only be proven useless when a senior enchanter become posssessed by a pride demon.

If Anders should care so should Fenris. How come Fenris could get away with his anti mage but everyone throws the book at Anders when he agreed to send Fenris back to his master?

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...
So is imprisoning mages and locking them up in some tower for the rest of their lives, and forcing them to undergo a dangerous ritual to prove that they can resist deomic influences to only be proven useless when a senior enchanter become posssessed by a pride demon.

If Anders should care so should Fenris. How come Fenris could get away with his anti mage but everyone throws the book at Anders when he agreed to send Fenris back to his master?

Ok, drop the Circle bit. That isn't slavery in the least.

Also, if you noticed, I am NOT giving a pass to Fenris at all for his anti mage views. For God's sakes, I romance Fenris in every game. And again, this has nothing to do with being mage or anti mage. It has to do with a person being sold into slavery against their will, something which Anders advocated.

Modifié par eluvianix, 26 décembre 2013 - 06:25 .

[Reaverwind]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Why should he care if Fenris returns to his master and become a slave again when Fenris feels the same way about the mages in Kirkwall. In fact if I become too pro-mage and have rival points on him he betrays me at the end, even after I killed his former master. So yeah why should Anders care for his freedom when he doesn't care for his as a mage? It works both ways.

It should matter, Raijin, because slavery is a BAD THING. Period. I don't care that Fenris and Anders hate each others guts. Anders should care because selling people into slavery is not kind. It's **cking cruel.

If Anders should care so should Fenris. How come Fenris could get away with his anti mage but everyone throws the book at Anders when he agreed to send Fenris back to his master?

I have yet to see Fenris turning Anders over to the Templars.

[Lord Raijin]

FYI: My elbow is starting to hurt from all of this typing so I'm starting to shorten up my responses.

Veruin wrote...
They are innocent as they have no power to change how the circles are run or even what happens.  The most they are probably in charge of is day to day maintence and prayers.  The only one you have any justifcation to even ATTEMPT to call guilty is Elthina.

No theirs still guilty. They should fallow what Templar Keran did by getting out and actually do good in society. Perhabs find a way to actually help mages rather than to preach the chant of light.

Veruin wrote...
Oddly enough I agree with you that religious organizations should have no place in politics (Probably out of my own personal bias).  If you want to blame the chantry, blame the ones on top who actually have the power to change how things work.  The priests in the small town villages, the peasants in the rotting wooden hovels do not have any of that power.  At best, they're busy struggling to get through day to day and stop by the chantry to pray to their god hoping someone is looking over them.  That times will eventually not be so bad. 

The Chantry is that... the Chantry. I'm blaming everyone who is involved in the Chantry, both the higher ups and the low ranked members. they're both equally responsible.

Veruin wrote...

Until you can provide me with significant proof that they have as much influence as the ones on top, you can bet that I will continue to denounce this as "petty guilty by associaton bull****"  Unless I have been completely unaware of the yearly survey the chantry mails to each citizen in their nation where they vote on what happens in the circle.

The low ranked members of the Chantry have influences to the citizens of Thedas. They preach to them and they spread the Chant of Light. These people know what the chantry feels about mages, and they're contempt to contuine this fear. Remember that these people are the future of the Chantry. They maybe low ranked, but eventually they will become mothers and then the higher ups. The process will contuine go around. They're the problem.

[Lord Raijin]

Reaverwind wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Why should he care if Fenris returns to his master and become a slave again when Fenris feels the same way about the mages in Kirkwall. In fact if I become too pro-mage and have rival points on him he betrays me at the end, even after I killed his former master. So yeah why should Anders care for his freedom when he doesn't care for his as a mage? It works both ways.

It should matter, Raijin, because slavery is a BAD THING. Period. I don't care that Fenris and Anders hate each others guts. Anders should care because selling people into slavery is not kind. It's **cking cruel.

If Anders should care so should Fenris. How come Fenris could get away with his anti mage but everyone throws the book at Anders when he agreed to send Fenris back to his master?

I have yet to see Fenris turning Anders over to the Templars.

Fenris betrays the Champion of Kirkwall after he/she sides with the mages. He made it known that he refuses to help the mages.

And I'm pretty sure Fenris would do this if he had the options.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 26 décembre 2013 - 06:40 .

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
So is imprisoning mages and locking them up in some tower for the rest of their lives, and forcing them to undergo a dangerous ritual to prove that they can resist deomic influences to only be proven useless when a senior enchanter become posssessed by a pride demon.

If Anders should care so should Fenris. How come Fenris could get away with his anti mage but everyone throws the book at Anders when he agreed to send Fenris back to his master?

Ok, drop the Circle bit. That isn't slavery in the least.

Also, if you noticed, I am NOT giving a pass to Fenris at all for his anti mage views. For God's sakes, I romance Fenris in every game. And again, this has nothing to do with being mage or anti mage. It has to do with a person being sold into slavery against their will, something which Anders advocated.

Ewwww! romancing Fenris is like romancing a nug... or wait... thats too cruel for the Nug. A nug is far better looking and have better class than he.

Sh*t if I was going to romance an elf I would rather it be Zeveran.

[Hazegurl]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Why should he care if Fenris returns to his master and become a slave again when Fenris feels the same way about the mages in Kirkwall. In fact if I become too pro-mage and have rival points on him he betrays me at the end, even after I killed his former master. So yeah why should Anders care for his freedom when he doesn't care for his as a mage? It works both ways.

It should matter, Raijin, because slavery is a BAD THING. Period. I don't care that Fenris and Anders hate each others guts. Anders should care because selling people into slavery is not kind. It's **cking cruel.

If Anders should care so should Fenris. How come Fenris could get away with his anti mage but everyone throws the book at Anders when he agreed to send Fenris back to his master?

I have yet to see Fenris turning Anders over to the Templars.

Fenris betrays the Champion of Kirkwall when he sides with the mages. He made it known that he refuses to help the mages.

And I'm pretty sure Fenris would do this if he had the options.

Fenris betrays some glorified errand boy that everyone gave a stupid name to, he does NOT betray his friend, lover, or someone he respects. Sucks for you that you expected him to put his rear end on the line you when you are neither of the things above to him.

Fenris has had the options to betray Anders, Hawke, Bethany, and other mages, he refused.  Fenris isn't a lying snake like Anders.  His only crime is not agreeing with you or Anders. Big whoop.

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
So is imprisoning mages and locking them up in some tower for the rest of their lives, and forcing them to undergo a dangerous ritual to prove that they can resist deomic influences to only be proven useless when a senior enchanter become posssessed by a pride demon.

If Anders should care so should Fenris. How come Fenris could get away with his anti mage but everyone throws the book at Anders when he agreed to send Fenris back to his master?

Ok, drop the Circle bit. That isn't slavery in the least.

Also, if you noticed, I am NOT giving a pass to Fenris at all for his anti mage views. For God's sakes, I romance Fenris in every game. And again, this has nothing to do with being mage or anti mage. It has to do with a person being sold into slavery against their will, something which Anders advocated.

Ewwww! romancing Fenris is like romancing a nug... or wait... thats too cruel for the Nug. A nug is far better looking and have better class than he.

Sh*t if I was going to romance an elf I would rather it be Zeveran.

Seriously, out of all that post, you take most issue with my romance choice?

And yes, I enjoyed romancing Fenris as a mage. I thought it was very well done.

[Hazegurl]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Ewwww! romancing Fenris is like romancing a nug... or wait... thats too cruel for the Nug. A nug is far better looking and have better class than he.

Sh*t if I was going to romance an elf I would rather it be Zeveran.

Better than romancing fulgy, funky foot, U-Haul touting, lying, terrorist, abomination, innocent mage murdering Anders.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 26 décembre 2013 - 06:48 .

[Lord Raijin]

Hazegurl wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Why should he care if Fenris returns to his master and become a slave again when Fenris feels the same way about the mages in Kirkwall. In fact if I become too pro-mage and have rival points on him he betrays me at the end, even after I killed his former master. So yeah why should Anders care for his freedom when he doesn't care for his as a mage? It works both ways.

It should matter, Raijin, because slavery is a BAD THING. Period. I don't care that Fenris and Anders hate each others guts. Anders should care because selling people into slavery is not kind. It's **cking cruel.

If Anders should care so should Fenris. How come Fenris could get away with his anti mage but everyone throws the book at Anders when he agreed to send Fenris back to his master?

I have yet to see Fenris turning Anders over to the Templars.

Fenris betrays the Champion of Kirkwall when he sides with the mages. He made it known that he refuses to help the mages.

And I'm pretty sure Fenris would do this if he had the options.

Fenris betrays some glorified errand boy that everyone gave a stupid name to, he does NOT betray his friend, lover, or someone he respects. Sucks for you that you expected him to put his rear end on the line you when you are neither of the things above to him.

Fenris has had the options to betray Anders, Hawke, Bethany, and other mages, he refused.  Fenris isn't a lying snake like Anders.  His only crime is not agreeing with you or Anders. Big whoop.

He certainly betrayed me in my game. I refuse to return him to his master and at the end, as I sided with the mages he turned his back on me. He decided that he wanted to fight me to the death when I was located at templars headquaters in the gallows.

Fenris is an ****. Plain in simple.

[Lord Raijin]

Hazegurl wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Ewwww! romancing Fenris is like romancing a nug... or wait... thats too cruel for the Nug. A nug is far better looking and have better class than he.

Sh*t if I was going to romance an elf I would rather it be Zeveran.

Better than romancing fulgy, funky foot, U-Haul touting, lying, terrorist, abomination, innocent mage murdering Anders.

Anders disagrees with you

[Hazegurl]

Lord Raijin wrote...
He certainly betrayed me in my game. I refuse to return him to his master and at the end, as I sided with the mages he turned his back on me. He decided that he wanted to fight me to the death when I was located at templars headquaters in the gallows.

Fenris is an ****. Plain in simple.

Sucks for you that you didn't know how to talk to him cause you were too busy either ignoring him or being an ass about mages and you demanded that he toe the line while you endanger his well being. Most likely with terrorist Anders alive to boot.

Fenris isn't a bootlicker.

[Hellion Rex]

@Lord Raijin: And I'll raise you a Fenris.

[Lord Raijin]

Hazegurl wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
He certainly betrayed me in my game. I refuse to return him to his master and at the end, as I sided with the mages he turned his back on me. He decided that he wanted to fight me to the death when I was located at templars headquaters in the gallows.

Fenris is an ****. Plain in simple.

Sucks for you that you didn't know how to talk to him cause you were too busy either ignoring him or being an ass about mages and you demanded that he toe the line while you endanger his well being. Most likely with terrorist Anders alive to boot.

Fenris isn't a bootlicker.

You're right. I don't know how to kiss Fenris @ass for the sole purpose to raise up his approval level. When it comes to his views about mages I flat out disagree.

[Hazegurl]

Lord Raijin wrote...
Anders disagrees with you

My eyes!!

But seriously I've seen Anders fanart that's 1000x better than the in game version. Such a shame.

[TK514]

Anders is an idiot and an abomination. His opinion is about as close to worthless as it gets.

[Lord Raijin]

@eluvianix



Anders and Hawke They make a good couple

[Lord Raijin]

TK514 wrote...

Anders is an idiot and an abomination. His opinion is about as close to worthless as it gets.

At least when you romance Anders you get a package of 2 instead of one. Justice seems to be rather cute if you ask me

[Hazegurl]

Sometimes I wonder if this wasn't going on behind my Hawke's back.