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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Lord Raijin wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
By calling a Dagon Age charater a terrorist is inviting real world politics because terrorism is a RL term. Nowhere did I ever heard this term being used in Dragon Age.

Terrorism is a form of combat that has spanned millenia. Alexander the Great's forces were subjected to those tactics by their enemies. And a terrorist is a term for someone who fights using that style of warfare, just like those who use guerilla warfare are called geurillas.

What you are doing is bringing specific examples into this, and that is what the mod warned us to drop. Their exact words: "This forum is for the discussion of DA Inquisition, not real world events or politics. Please respect that certain groups are censored for a reason and keep discussion focused in the game world so we can keep this thread open."

I know what a terrorist is so I don't need you to explain it to me. The moment that I would agree that what Anders did was an act of terrorism is when someone points me over to a link to one of Davids post confirming that what Anders did was an act of terrorism.

I want to see David calling Anders a terrorist.

So you know what terrorism is, yet do not think Anders did that kind of warfare? The Chantry building in Kirkwall, regardles of how innocent or not it may be, is a civilian target. So destroying that target for an idealogical reason like Anders did is an act of terrorism warfare. 

Would David Gaidar saying that really change your opinion on the issue?

[AlexanderCousland]

Lord Raijin wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
By calling a Dagon Age charater a terrorist is inviting real world politics because terrorism is a RL term. Nowhere did I ever heard this term being used in Dragon Age.

Terrorism is a form of combat that has spanned millenia. Alexander the Great's forces were subjected to those tactics by their enemies. And a terrorist is a term for someone who fights using that style of warfare, just like those who use guerilla warfare are called geurillas.

What you are doing is bringing specific examples into this, and that is what the mod warned us to drop. Their exact words: "This forum is for the discussion of DA Inquisition, not real world events or politics. Please respect that certain groups are censored for a reason and keep discussion focused in the game world so we can keep this thread open."

I know what a terrorist is so I don't need you to explain it to me. The moment that I would agree that what Anders did was an act of terrorism is when someone points me over to a link to one of Davids post confirming that what Anders did was an act of terrorism.

I want to see David calling Anders a terrorist.

Haha.
Lord Raijin would support Ander's if he was the one who blew up the  Twin Tower's BECAUSE THE SYSTEM HAD TO CHANGE. Lmfao. Smh. Blowing up a Church full of people is Terrorism, David shouldn't have to shed light on common sense.

[MisterJB]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Hatred is generally consdiered a bad attitude or disposition. If such disposition cannot be weeded out through education then there is little hope for the hating person. Hatred is not exactly a disposition of higher intellect. As a matter of fact, many would often associate hatred with average to low intellegence. So if the person, even after education, continue to feel hatred, then tehy were enver going to let go of their hatred anyway.

I have yet to hear about a documented case where actual education of a subject led the student to hate the subject, unless it was a hatred born of frustration from failure of comprehension.
But even if it was the case, that such hatreds could be born from education, then the education itself would far outweigh such setbacks, by eliminating all the hatreds born of ignorance, which are far more common. So my point still stands, education will be the key to the solution of the entire issue.

I will agree with you insofar as how education outweigths the setbacks but you've never heard of a documented case where education lead to hatred? Really?
I mean, there is even the old platitude of how "Hatred is not born, it is taught". Are you saying that everyone and everything is inherently good? I believe you know better than that; and if we accept that most of the world contains negative characteristics to a person or another, then how can, logically, learning of these characteristics not lead to a number of people hating the thing that contains them?
The example I gave you was perfectly reasonable and possible.

Modifié par MisterJB, 27 décembre 2013 - 08:00 .

[Lord Raijin]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
So you know what terrorism is, yet do not think Anders did that kind of warfare? The Chantry building in Kirkwall, regardles of how innocent or not it may be, is a civilian target. So destroying that target for an idealogical reason like Anders did is an act of terrorism warfare. 

Would David Gaidar saying that really change your opinion on the issue?

Like I said I've never even heard the term "terrorism" in Dragon age so that word doesn't seem to even exist. Knight-Commander didn't say "Kill that filthy terrorist!" she said "I'll leave this murderer for you to deal with"

If David had one of his DA charaters using the term then yes. The term "terrorism" would be legit and considered relevant.

[Lord Raijin]

FreshIstay wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
By calling a Dagon Age charater a terrorist is inviting real world politics because terrorism is a RL term. Nowhere did I ever heard this term being used in Dragon Age.

Terrorism is a form of combat that has spanned millenia. Alexander the Great's forces were subjected to those tactics by their enemies. And a terrorist is a term for someone who fights using that style of warfare, just like those who use guerilla warfare are called geurillas.

What you are doing is bringing specific examples into this, and that is what the mod warned us to drop. Their exact words: "This forum is for the discussion of DA Inquisition, not real world events or politics. Please respect that certain groups are censored for a reason and keep discussion focused in the game world so we can keep this thread open."

I know what a terrorist is so I don't need you to explain it to me. The moment that I would agree that what Anders did was an act of terrorism is when someone points me over to a link to one of Davids post confirming that what Anders did was an act of terrorism.

I want to see David calling Anders a terrorist.

Haha.
Lord Raijin would support Ander's if he was the one who blew up the  Twin Tower's BECAUSE THE SYSTEM HAD TO CHANGE. Lmfao. Smh. Blowing up a Church full of people is Terrorism, David shouldn't have to shed light on common sense.

W...what?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Lord Raijin wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
So you know what terrorism is, yet do not think Anders did that kind of warfare? The Chantry building in Kirkwall, regardles of how innocent or not it may be, is a civilian target. So destroying that target for an idealogical reason like Anders did is an act of terrorism warfare. 

Would David Gaidar saying that really change your opinion on the issue?

Like I said I've never even heard the term "terrorism" in Dragon age so that word doesn't seem to even exist. Knight-Commander didn't say "Kill that filthy terrorist!" she said "I'll leave this murderer for you to deal with"

If David had one of his DA charaters using the term then yes. The term "terrorism" would be legit and considered relevant.

I've never heard them use the term "seige weaponry" either and yet they use catapults and ballistae. Just because a term isn't used doesn't mean the thing the term stands for is not in the game. 

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 27 décembre 2013 - 08:05 .

[Lulupab]

Actually the game shows only Elthina and a couple of templars are inside chantry.

[MisterJB]

Well, I've never heard the term "rapist" used in Thedas so what karras did to Alain was just surprise sex.

[Lord Raijin]

MisterJB wrote...

Well, I've never heard the term "rapist" used in Thedas so what karras did to Alain was just surprise sex.

I heard the term "Rape" several times.

[MisterJB]

Lord Raijin wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Well, I've never heard the term "rapist" used in Thedas so what karras did to Alain was just surprise sex.

I heard the term "Rape" several times.

And I've heard the term "terror".

[Medhia Nox]

@EmperorSahlertz: The Age of Enlightenment was a time of the educated growing to hate a great many things and crushing them.

Education often breeds apathy (currently in the form of moral relativism) - hatred need not be bombastic to lurk beneath a man's actions - his contempt for something can be cold and calculating and built on reason.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 27 décembre 2013 - 08:09 .

[Lord Raijin]

MisterJB wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Well, I've never heard the term "rapist" used in Thedas so what karras did to Alain was just surprise sex.

I heard the term "Rape" several times.

And I've heard the term "terror".

Me too...  on quest names

[Cainhurst Crow]

Lord Raijin wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
So you know what terrorism is, yet do not think Anders did that kind of warfare? The Chantry building in Kirkwall, regardles of how innocent or not it may be, is a civilian target. So destroying that target for an idealogical reason like Anders did is an act of terrorism warfare. 

Would David Gaidar saying that really change your opinion on the issue?

Like I said I've never even heard the term "terrorism" in Dragon age so that word doesn't seem to even exist. Knight-Commander didn't say "Kill that filthy terrorist!" she said "I'll leave this murderer for you to deal with"

If David had one of his DA charaters using the term then yes. The term "terrorism" would be legit and considered relevant.

This argument of semantics is full of manure and you know it.

[Lord Raijin]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

This argument of semantics is full of manure and you know it.

Only in your opinion

[Cainhurst Crow]

So prostitues don't exist in dragon age right? I mean, they never used the term, so obviously there is not example of woman selling sexual services for solicitors for some sovereigns.

[Lord Raijin]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So prostitues don't exist in dragon age right? I mean, they never used the term, so obviously there is not example of woman selling sexual services for solicitors for some sovereigns.

Dragon age has Brothals to go to so yes... theirs prostitutes.

[Cainhurst Crow]

But the term is never used, therefore no characters of dragon age can be prostitutes. Unless you admit that words outside of the game but never stated in them can be applied to the dragon age setting and characters, of course.

[Lulupab]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So prostitues don't exist in dragon age right? I mean, they never used the term, so obviously there is not example of woman selling sexual services for solicitors for some sovereigns.

I seem to recall thisline:

Its not about words its about concepts. Concept of terrorism doesn't exist like so many other things that doesn't exist in thedas.

[Lord Raijin]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

But the term is never used, therefore no characters of dragon age can be prostitutes. Unless you admit that words outside of the game but never stated in them can be applied to the dragon age setting and characters, of course.

The term "W***e" has been used so it's essentinally the same as using the term "prostitute".

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 27 décembre 2013 - 08:30 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

But the term is never used, therefore no characters of dragon age can be prostitutes. Unless you admit that words outside of the game but never stated in them can be applied to the dragon age setting and characters, of course.

The term "W***e" has been used so it's essentinally the same as using the term "prostitute".

Ah but **** is never used to describe a woman who takes parts in copulous payed sex, but instead as a general insult to woman. It would stand to reason then that within dragon age, the term **** has entirely different meanings then the word prostitute.

Unless you admit that words outside of the game but never stated in them can be applied to the dragon age setting and characters, of course.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Rassler wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So prostitues don't exist in dragon age right? I mean, they never used the term, so obviously there is not example of woman selling sexual services for solicitors for some sovereigns.

I seem to recall thisline:

Its not about words its about concepts. Concept of terrorism doesn't exist like so many other things that doesn't exist in thedas.

Are you telling me that thedas has no concept of preforming intentional violent actions against non-military targets in order to demoralize and terrorize a large part of the populus? 

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 27 décembre 2013 - 08:34 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Rassler wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So prostitues don't exist in dragon age right? I mean, they never used the term, so obviously there is not example of woman selling sexual services for solicitors for some sovereigns.

I seem to recall thisline:

Its not about words its about concepts. Concept of terrorism doesn't exist like so many other things that doesn't exist in thedas.

War is a concept in Thedas, and thus all ways of fighting wars are.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 27 décembre 2013 - 08:42 .

[AresKeith]

Lord Raijin wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
So you know what terrorism is, yet do not think Anders did that kind of warfare? The Chantry building in Kirkwall, regardles of how innocent or not it may be, is a civilian target. So destroying that target for an idealogical reason like Anders did is an act of terrorism warfare. 

Would David Gaidar saying that really change your opinion on the issue?

Like I said I've never even heard the term "terrorism" in Dragon age so that word doesn't seem to even exist. Knight-Commander didn't say "Kill that filthy terrorist!" she said "I'll leave this murderer for you to deal with"

If David had one of his DA charaters using the term then yes. The term "terrorism" would be legit and considered relevant.

So much facepalm in this post, I'm not even surprised

[Jaison1986]

It would save a lot of trouble if you guys just agree to disagree. This argument is going nowhere.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Jaison1986 wrote...

It would save a lot of trouble if you guys just agree to disagree. This argument is going nowhere.

You're right. This isn't the thread for this discussion. If people want to continue it, they can start a thread about it.

Let's get back to the purpose of this thread: finding a way to have compromise between Templars and Mages.