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[Beerfish]

As Templars and the Chantry we will agree to create less prison like institutions for the mages. No big awful towers, larger areas, with green space, gardens and such. Mages as is now will be able to govern themselves to a point.

We will allow regular parental visits of mage ability children.

We may allow a third option to the harrowing test or tranqulity. That being that the mage in question does not have to go through the harrowing or become tranquel. However mages choosing this option would be housed in a very high security area and their freedoms would not be the same as those that have passed the harrowing.

Some limited escorted visits outside the mage area will be permitted if resources allow.

In exchange we will require further fund raising to pay for these potential changes. We require regular audits of higher level mage personnel in to ensure they are following a true path.

We require a high level of cooperation in dealing with mages that do flaunt or break agreed upon rules.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Plaintiff wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

We could totally use all the dead mages to build roads.

Think about it! The Mage issue gets resolved and Thedas gets nifty paved roads! Everybody wins!

A good comedian keeps his material fresh, Cheescake.

I had refined my earlier point, the mages are for roadwork and the elves are for candles, soap, and glue.

This is now my stance on the mage templar issue and anyone who disagrees is a terrible bigoted genocide fetishist neo Luddite!

[MisterJB]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

Would people on here kill each other if they were in Thedas?

Just wondering...

I'm not saying any names but there are people on here that would be on my list if we were in Thedas 2 of them are in this thread and it won't be long before the third shows his ugly husk face.

Lol, subtle.
I'm sorry you don't like this old mug. Would this be more aesthetically pleasing?

[Medhia Nox]

@Grand Admiral Cheesecake: As a moderate Neo-Luddite I take great offense at your generalizing and inflamatory statements.

[Lord Raijin]

Mages rules and Templar's sucks! yeah!

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

Would people on here kill each other if they were in Thedas?

Just wondering...

I'm not saying any names but there are people on here that would be on my list if we were in Thedas 2 of them are in this thread and it won't be long before the third shows his ugly husk face.

Lol, subtle.
I'm sorry you don't like this old mug. Would this be more aesthetically pleasing?

Your normal avatar pic disturbs me enough.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Grand Admiral Cheesecake: As a moderate Neo-Luddite I take great offense at your generalizing and inflamatory statements.

If you're not with me, then you're my enemy!






(Seriously folks Mage/Templar is the most serious of business and not a reeeeeaaaaallly silly reason  to sling mud!)

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

Would people on here kill each other if they were in Thedas?

Just wondering...

I'm not saying any names but there are people on here that would be on my list if we were in Thedas 2 of them are in this thread and it won't be long before the third shows his ugly husk face.

Lol, subtle.
I'm sorry you don't like this old mug. Would this be more aesthetically pleasing?

Your normal avatar pic disturbs me enough.

I'm glad I'm not the one one who gets distrubed when staring at MisterJB's avatar. It's like getting the brand on your forehead.

[The Elder King]

Meh, I like a lot MisterJB's avatar.

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...

I'm glad I'm not the one one who gets distrubed when staring at MisterJB's avatar. It's like getting the brand on your forehead.

Xil's was worse for me. The glowing red Morinth eyes always looked like they were staring deep into my soul.

Modifié par eluvianix, 19 décembre 2013 - 06:55 .

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

Meh, I like a lot MisterJB's avatar.

Nobody asked you.:innocent:

[Veruin]

For the longest time, I thought MisterJB's avatar was a polar bear.

[wolfhowwl]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
(Seriously folks Mage/Templar is the most serious of business and not a reeeeeaaaaallly silly reason  to sling mud!)

Your comments regarding a fictional conflict reek of bigotry.

[Hellion Rex]

Veruin wrote...

For the longest time, I thought MisterJB's avatar was a polar bear.

[Plaintiff]

Veruin wrote...

For the longest time, I thought MisterJB's avatar was a polar bear.

Tell me where you live so that I can never, ever go to your zoo.

[Medhia Nox]

@The Admiral Cheescake: I will now commence with the destruction of your town's bakery to prove that you cannot control Moderate Neo-Luddites any longer!

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

I'm glad I'm not the one one who gets distrubed when staring at MisterJB's avatar. It's like getting the brand on your forehead.

Xil's was worse for me. The glowing red Morinth eyes always looked like they were staring deep into my soul.

I never actually paid that much attention to Xil's avatar. It was MisterJB that always earned my attention.

[TK514]

dragonflight288 wrote...
The mages are now free and will never allow themselves to be placed under the yoke of the templars again since it has been proven time and again that the templar order cannot be trusted with their well-being, and oftentimes has shown itself to be thoroughly abusive without fear of reprisal.

I disagree with your basic premise as outlined in this statement.  Both that mages are 'free' in any meaningful way, and that the Templar Order can not be trusted with their safety.

I think all the Mages have achieved so far, in regards to 'freedom' is that they are no longer under the supervision and protection of the Templars.  The Templars are still, in a very real way, dictating what Mages can and can't do due to the state of ongoing hostilities, and even if the Templars were to give up tomorrow and say 'Fine, do what you want', Mages still wouldn't have the same basic security that even the lowliest serf in Ferelden enjoys.

The fact of the matter is, most of Thedas hates and fears mages to some degree.  If the rebellion were to end in 'victory' for the Mages tomorrow, they'd still find themselves shunned, social outcasts that most people treated with suspicion, at best, or were actively hostile to at worst.  At no point will we see mages accepted with open arms.  As a general rule, they won't be suddenly getting jobs from farmers or craftsmen, they won't be taken on as advisors to nobility, they won't be asked to perform parlor tricks at parties, or teach young Master Connor about geography and mathmatics.  They will be trapped in Mage only enclaves just as surely as the elves ar trapped in Alienages.  Their quality of life will be considerably worse than if they were still in the Circle, because not only will their neighbors be hostile, the mages will lack the charity of the Chantry to ensure they even have the most basic needs provided.  They'll have to learn how to do everything on their own, and all the luxuries they took for granted, like books, ink, paper, or lyrium, will be gone.  They'll be 'free', to disguise themselves when traveling for fear of the common man's reaction.  They'll be 'free' to suffer the constant threat of superstitious fear and the resulting violence against whatever crude enclaves they manage to carve out for themselves.  They'll be 'free' to live in fear of a world that does not want them, and only tolerated them when they were someone else's problem.  They'll be 'free' to protect themselves against violence, which will only make public opinion of them worse.

What do mage supporters think is going to happen?  That society will just forget the last thousand years of Chantry teachings?  That people will just toss aside an almost universal societal bias against mages?  That the Chantry will suddenly decide not to preach the exact same doctrines it has been teaching since it's formation, if not earlier?  Even putting the Chantry and its teachings aside, as absurd a notion as that is,  what makes a mage supporter believe that things will be any different than the pre-Chantry era?  The original Inquisition, that became the Templar Order, were founded for a reason, and that reason was not that mages and the rest of humanity were living in peace, tolerance and understanding.  They were formed, ultimately, because these two groups were fundamentally incapable of getting along.

So, yeah, maybe mages are no longer guarded by the Templars.  And I think they, and the rest of Thedas, will live to regret it.

As for the Templars having 'proven time and again' to be untrustworthy regarding the mages' well being, were that true the Circle system wouldn't have survived for a thousand years without rebellion.  Were things always as bad as the narrative necessities we've seen, every single Circle would have gone through cycles of Annullment and Rebellion, and this would be just another sporadic brushfire amongst a history of them, instead of the unheard of event it purports to be.  The fact of the matter is that we have, for narrative reasons, seen the worst of both factions rather than what is normal for either.  This rebellion is the result of individuals grasping for power, who are charismatic, ruthless, and lucky enough to direct the general populace toward their ends.

Edit:  As an aside, did this thread really briefly degenerate into 'who would actualy kill your fellow BSN posters if we lived in Thedas'?  The mind boggles.

Modifié par TK514, 19 décembre 2013 - 07:05 .

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...
Your normal avatar pic disturbs me enough.

Breaking my heart, man.

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Your normal avatar pic disturbs me enough.

Breaking my heart, man.

<_<

[SgtSteel91]

TK514 wrote...

As for the Templars having 'proven time and again' to be untrustworthy regarding the mages' well being, were that true the Circle system wouldn't have survived for a thousand years without rebellion.  Were things always as bad as the narrative necessities we've seen, every single Circle would have gone through cycles of Annullment and Rebellion, and this would be just another sporadic brushfire amongst a history of them, instead of the unheard of event it purports to be.  The fact of the matter is that we have, for narrative reasons, seen the worst of both factions rather than what is normal for either.  This rebellion is the result of individuals grasping for power, who are charismatic, ruthless, and lucky enough to direct the general populace toward their ends.

Well the Right of Annulment has been done 17 times in the last 700 years it was started. That's about an Annulment and killing every mage in a Circle every 41 years.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 19 décembre 2013 - 07:14 .

[Hellion Rex]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

TK514 wrote...

As for the Templars having 'proven time and again' to be untrustworthy regarding the mages' well being, were that true the Circle system wouldn't have survived for a thousand years without rebellion.  Were things always as bad as the narrative necessities we've seen, every single Circle would have gone through cycles of Annullment and Rebellion, and this would be just another sporadic brushfire amongst a history of them, instead of the unheard of event it purports to be.  The fact of the matter is that we have, for narrative reasons, seen the worst of both factions rather than what is normal for either.  This rebellion is the result of individuals grasping for power, who are charismatic, ruthless, and lucky enough to direct the general populace toward their ends.

Well the Right of Annulment has been done 17 times in the last 700 years it was started. That's about an Annulment and killing every mage in a Circle every 41 years.

And 3 were called for during 9:30 to 9:40 alone.

[SgtSteel91]

eluvianix wrote...

And 3 were called for during 9:30 to 9:40 alone.

Well then the average shoots down to 35 years between Annulments. Apparently mages have, on average, the same lifespan as Grey Wardens.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 19 décembre 2013 - 07:24 .

[TK514]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

TK514 wrote...

As for the Templars having 'proven time and again' to be untrustworthy regarding the mages' well being, were that true the Circle system wouldn't have survived for a thousand years without rebellion.  Were things always as bad as the narrative necessities we've seen, every single Circle would have gone through cycles of Annullment and Rebellion, and this would be just another sporadic brushfire amongst a history of them, instead of the unheard of event it purports to be.  The fact of the matter is that we have, for narrative reasons, seen the worst of both factions rather than what is normal for either.  This rebellion is the result of individuals grasping for power, who are charismatic, ruthless, and lucky enough to direct the general populace toward their ends.

Well the Right of Annulment has been done 17 times in the last 700 years it was started. That's about an Annulment and killing every mage in a Circle every 41 years.

and how many rebellions from the remaining Circles in that time?

[Medhia Nox]

@TK514: That's your argument? Govern through fear?