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[LinksOcarina]

Azaron Nightblade wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

They created an entire article for a mere tweet...
Why?!

Slow news day? Big title? Both?

Because it grabbed your attention. Its hype and they want to be first to get all the hype.

thankfully where I write they didn't put this on the docket yet, since really there is no collaboration to prove that the game is playable, outside of the fact that Flynn played it. That could be anything from a demo to a singuarly built level.

It is literally nothing to collaborate with, its a false news story. 

[CronoDragoon]

crimzontearz wrote...

The MP was not announced (it was actually flat out denied) until the delay hit. Now, am I saying that it was a bad thing? No, it was a fortuitous coincidence that bought the SP a few more months. Am I saying that IF MP was not required (all EA games do as per their CEO) EA would not have cared about it and pushed the game out early and rushed it? Moooost likely given the DA2 precedent.

So you're just guessing. Okay.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 19 décembre 2013 - 04:49 .

[LinksOcarina]

iakus wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

As for the EA multiplayer line, I debunked that a year ago when people took it out of context. I did a whole editorial on it too. As for your claim, you are simply wrong so stop parroting bull****, please. 

Here's an easy way to debunk it once and for all:

Has EA released any games since that statement was made that did not have multiplayer?

The Sims 4, which is coming out in 2014 for one, is confirmed single player. And as of right now we can assume Inquisition is single player until otherwise stated by BioWare. 

Thats missing the point though. Multiplayer doesn't mean deathmatches all the time, it also can mean co-op, leaderboards, online interactivity with other players outside of pew pewing them. Fuse is online co-op,SimCity if it worked would have been collaboratve play. The definition of multiplayer is a tad broader than you think, and can man anything from simple online leaderboards to deathmatch games. It is also following the service model of other companies too, which is the point, I guess. 

I should also point out the fact of the matter still is there is no proof any delay was caused by multiplayer. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 19 décembre 2013 - 04:54 .

[crimzontearz]

Ok, for Dragon Age it was rushed, it had 18 months of dev time. In that time though, its still a good game, which says a lot.

As for the EA multiplayer line, I debunked that a year ago when people took it out of context. I did a whole editorial on it too. As for your claim, you are simply wrong so stop parroting bull****, please.

DA2 being a "good game" is debatable and a matter if perspective

Also, your lovely editorial, I read it before. It did impress me then, it does not impress me now.

THAT SAID, the moment EA publishes a game like Skyrim with "an ongoing content plan for keeping customers engaged beyond what’s on the initial disc" which is large content rich expansions which add hours to the game at a reasonable price I will say you were right


ALSO

"What I’m saying is if you’re going do it, do it with an open-world game that’s a connected experience where you can actually see other players, you can co-operate, you can compete and it can be social. Everything that we do, we see the telemetry coming in telling us that’s the best way to build our business and that’s the best way to build these experiences and be differentiated from others. Yeah, I’m not suggesting deathmatch must be in Bejeweled. It’s just… You need to have a connected social experience where you’re part of a large community”"

Just ****ing no thanks. This is the very reason I will not buy destiny or any game with forced socialization. Games are my PERSONAL recreational pastime, I play them for the story, the experience, the production value and the game play not to goddamn socialize.

[crimzontearz]

I should also point out the fact of the matter still is there is no proof any delay was caused by multiplayer

The only proof could only come from BW and you KNOW that is not going to happen

[Iakus]

LinksOcarina wrote...

The Sims 4, which is coming out in 2014 for one, is confirmed single player. And as of right now we can assume Inquisition is single player until otherwise stated by BioWare. 

So does that mean  the answer is no, EA has not released any games since that statement was made that was not a completely SP game?  That there are a couple of future products that might not have MP in it?

[Iakus]

crimzontearz wrote...

Just ****ing no thanks. This is the very reason I will not buy destiny or any game with forced socialization. Games are my PERSONAL recreational pastime, I play them for the story, the experience, the production value and the game play not to goddamn socialize.

This.

Tabletop games are social experiences for me.  Video games are "Iakus time"

[KaiserShep]

Crimzon,

According to Bungie, you will not be forced to do co-op multiplayer in Destiny.

I loathe forced multiplayer so this was my primary concern as well.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 19 décembre 2013 - 05:09 .

[crimzontearz]

Kaiser, according to the latest article the endgame activities will REQUIRE co op play or you will not be able to finish them

[KaiserShep]

Well, that's very unfortunate if that turns out to be the case.

[CroGamer002]

iakus wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

The Sims 4, which is coming out in 2014 for one, is confirmed single player. And as of right now we can assume Inquisition is single player until otherwise stated by BioWare. 

So does that mean  the answer is no, EA has not released any games since that statement was made that was not a completely SP game?  That there are a couple of future products that might not have MP in it?

Well EA did got a new CEO.


While he did say there would be no change of plans, instead just do them better, he might still change some details.


Like on no pure SP games. Though we'll see.

[crimzontearz]

Kaiser this is from the latest interview

Not only will raids be MP only (could not care less) but

“I guess at some variable, distant endpoint we are going to say, ‘Yeah, if you show up at this door, and you don’t have five friends, you’re not going to be able to succeed,’ but the core experience that solo players have enjoyed in shooters, they’re going to be able to get that, and we’re going to pull many of them into social experiences as well.”

Stop trying to socialize me god ****ing dammit

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

Kaiser, according to the latest article the endgame activities will REQUIRE co op play or you will not be able to finish them

Which article are you referring to?  This one ensures that this isn't the case.

http://www.gamespot....e/1100-6416759/

[wolfhowwl]

crimzontearz wrote...

Where is your source saying that it was the multiplayer component that caused the delay?

There is a lot of evidence pointing towards the cause being the single player.

The MP was not announced (it was actually flat out denied) until the delay hit. Now, am I saying that it was a bad thing? No, it was a fortuitous coincidence that bought the SP a few more months. Am I saying that IF MP was not required (all EA games do as per their CEO) EA would not have cared about it and pushed the game out early and rushed it? Moooost likely given the DA2 precedent.

That's not very convincing. This sounds like your bias against multiplayer talking here.

[crimzontearz]

http://www.ign.com/a...iny-on-your-own

This one published the very same day

[crimzontearz]

That's not very convincing. This sounds like your bias against multiplayer talking here.

the only concrete proof could only come from BW...so...

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

That's not very convincing. This sounds like your bias against multiplayer talking here.

the only concrete proof could only come from BW...so...

... innocent until proven guilty, then?

[crimzontearz]

So see gazer....one of the two is not exactly telling the whole truth, because yes, maybe I will not be FORCED to tackle any areas with friends but that does not contradict the ORIGINAL statement since that only says "you can try but you will fail"

[crimzontearz]

... innocent until proven guilty, then?

not with their track record

[CronoDragoon]

crimzontearz wrote...

... innocent until proven guilty, then?

not with their track record

So not only do you not have anything, implied or otherwise, to support your claim, you also admit that the delay was actually a good thing for the SP game, regardless of the reason. What are we discussing here? That EA doesn't give delays unless it's for multiplayer? Then explain Inquisition's extra year it was given.

I don't see much of a point to this discussion.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 19 décembre 2013 - 05:35 .

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

... innocent until proven guilty, then?

not with their track record

Hey, I'm aware that there's no changing your mind, but that's a shady way of handling accusations without proof, as well as some proof suggesting otherwise. 

[LinksOcarina]

crimzontearz wrote...

Ok, for Dragon Age it was rushed, it had 18 months of dev time. In that time though, its still a good game, which says a lot.

As for the EA multiplayer line, I debunked that a year ago when people took it out of context. I did a whole editorial on it too. As for your claim, you are simply wrong so stop parroting bull****, please.

DA2 being a "good game" is debatable and a matter if perspective

Also, your lovely editorial, I read it before. It did impress me then, it does not impress me now.

THAT SAID, the moment EA publishes a game like Skyrim with "an ongoing content plan for keeping customers engaged beyond what’s on the initial disc" which is large content rich expansions which add hours to the game at a reasonable price I will say you were right


ALSO

"What I’m saying is if you’re going do it, do it with an open-world game that’s a connected experience where you can actually see other players, you can co-operate, you can compete and it can be social. Everything that we do, we see the telemetry coming in telling us that’s the best way to build our business and that’s the best way to build these experiences and be differentiated from others. Yeah, I’m not suggesting deathmatch must be in Bejeweled. It’s just… You need to have a connected social experience where you’re part of a large community”"

Just ****ing no thanks. This is the very reason I will not buy destiny or any game with forced socialization. Games are my PERSONAL recreational pastime, I play them for the story, the experience, the production value and the game play not to goddamn socialize.

I am glad it impressed you then at least. Although my job is to inform and promote ideas, not impress people with my work. 

As for why you play games, if that is such a problem, then why not move onto a handheld console then? If you haven't noticed, most companies are adopting the gaming as a service model, which is pretty much what Gibeau was saying a year ago EA is doing in promoting socilization and multiplayer.

If it really bothers you so much, of course. Then again I can never fathom why people don't want to play online sometimes. Socialization with a game is just as healthy as personal recreation, especailly when games are tailor made with production values and gameplay that promote socilization, like Destiny is doing. 

[LinksOcarina]

iakus wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

The Sims 4, which is coming out in 2014 for one, is confirmed single player. And as of right now we can assume Inquisition is single player until otherwise stated by BioWare. 

So does that mean  the answer is no, EA has not released any games since that statement was made that was not a completely SP game?  That there are a couple of future products that might not have MP in it?

Sims 4 is confirmed single player only, it will be released next year as such. So since that statement they have a game that is completely single player. 

Being released now or later is semantical and a pointless argument. Not to mention the fact that it still misses the point of what Gibeau is saying.

sometimes I wonder if people can see the forest from the trees...

[Ravensword]

LinksOcarina wrote...

iakus wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

The Sims 4, which is coming out in 2014 for one, is confirmed single player. And as of right now we can assume Inquisition is single player until otherwise stated by BioWare. 

So does that mean  the answer is no, EA has not released any games since that statement was made that was not a completely SP game?  That there are a couple of future products that might not have MP in it?

Sims 4 is confirmed single player only, it will be released next year as such. So since that statement they have a game that is completely single player. 

Being released now or later is semantical and a pointless argument. Not to mention the fact that it still misses the point of what Gibeau is saying.

sometimes I wonder if people can see the forest from the trees...

Ah, the Sims 4. Can we expect withheld features to be released piecemeal via expansion pacts over the next several years after it's released?

[dreamgazer]

Ravensword wrote...

Ah, the Sims 4. Can we expect withheld features to be released piecemeal via expansion pacts over the next several years after it's released?

Well, it's The Sims, so probably.