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[CannotCompute]

Would you like certain romantic opportunities to be limited to the race of the PC? - Think Baldur's Gate II: Viconia could only be wooed by a half-elf or human character.

Or do you want no restrictions whatsoever? - Imagine a scene in which a bulky Qunari warrior is making love to a female dwarf, for example, and contemplate if you would like to be able to see this.

[franciscoamell]

I'd prefer no restrictions but have different dialogue depending on your race.

Or they'd have to make more than 4 LIs.

[Knight of Dane]

No, not unless it is with a character like Velanna that has a serious dislike for humans(Or any race), in which case I'm not likely to romance the character anyway.

Velanna was not that charming.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 19 décembre 2013 - 01:45 .

[Plaintiff]

CannotCompute wrote...
Would you like certain romantic opportunities to be limited to the race of the PC? - Think Baldur's Gate II: Viconia could only be wooed by a half-elf or human character.

No. Restrictions should be based on choices the player makes in-game.

Or do you want no restrictions whatsoever?

No. I want restrictions based on in-game choices.

Imagine a scene in which a bulky Qunari warrior is making love to a female dwarf, for example, and contemplate if you would like to be able to see this.

I don't care even slightly. People should be able to see it if they want to, and I should be able to avoid it because I want to.

Eggplant is disgusting, but that doesn't give me the right to stop others from eating it.

[Plaintiff]

Knight of Dane wrote...

No, not unless it is with a character like Velanna that has a serious dislike for humans(Or any race), in which case I'm not likely to romance the character anyway.

Velanna was not that charming.

Racist characters should be able to be enlightened through their interactions with the PC.

[Blackrising]

Restrictions based on in-game choices and variations in dialouge based on the PC's race.

[Ziegrif]

CannotCompute wrote...
Imagine a scene in which a bulky Qunari warrior is making love to a female dwarf, for example, and contemplate if you would like to be able to see this.

Yes.
HAHAHAHAAA!!
Yes.

[Nightdragon8]

Plaintiff wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

No, not unless it is with a character like Velanna that has a serious dislike for humans(Or any race), in which case I'm not likely to romance the character anyway.

Velanna was not that charming.

Racist characters should be able to be enlightened through their interactions with the PC.

yea I guess really the PC should be able to make the world into a unicorns and rainbows world.... while other PCs should be able to make the world into a complete anarcy if they want to... just so BW can retcon them all and get yelled at for doing so.... sounds like fun.

As for the LI I don't mind them being restricted. because I don't think I should be able to force a clearly gay character into being strait. So why should I be able to though choices for someone to "love" a person of another race. Different people have different atractions.

Funny enough Varric is I think the best example. I mean he liked FHawke and if she was a Drawf he would have been all over her, but because she was human he wasn't intrested. And honestly I'm cool with that.

I think its sad that we want for 'force' openess onto people. When clearly being 'forced' to be any other way is considered bad.

Also it seems you have never talked to a skinhead before have you... I give you 2 minuites before you start regretting being on the same planet much less 5 feet from them. And start thinking violent thoughts of honestly wanting him off the planet.

Talking to hardcore Racists is a complete waste of time. They have such religous Fervor to the way they think. That no amount of talking will convice them of anything. 

As much as we all want it to, words don't go though to people who close there ears to things outside of what they want to know. 

Modifié par Nightdragon8, 19 décembre 2013 - 02:16 .

[razrblack]

Plaintiff wrote...
Racist characters should be able to be enlightened through their interactions with the PC.

Once you go dwarf you never go back?

[Plaintiff]

razrblack wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Racist characters should be able to be enlightened through their interactions with the PC.

Once you go dwarf you never go back?

I don't intend to ever play a dwarf, but sure.

[Knight of Dane]

Plaintiff wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

No, not unless it is with a character like Velanna that has a serious dislike for humans(Or any race), in which case I'm not likely to romance the character anyway.

Velanna was not that charming.

Racist characters should be able to be enlightened through their interactions with the PC.

I would argue that not all characters should be changeable on the players whim.

[Plaintiff]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

No, not unless it is with a character like Velanna that has a serious dislike for humans(Or any race), in which case I'm not likely to romance the character anyway.

Velanna was not that charming.

Racist characters should be able to be enlightened through their interactions with the PC.

I would argue that not all characters should be changeable on the players whim.

I would argue that a character who doesn't grow and change through their interactions with others is a shallow, badly written character.

I'm not arguing that I should be able to change a character's mind on any and all points. I am arguing that I should be able to change their mind on some points, and I'm arguing that racism should be such a point.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 19 décembre 2013 - 02:22 .

[JasonPogo]

BG2 was horrible since if you wanted to romance anyone you could never play a Dwarf. That kind of restriction is bad. But maybe something like the Iron Bull will be romancable but only if you play a Qunari? That I would be ok with.

[Zatche]

Blackrising wrote...

Restrictions based on in-game choices and variations in dialouge based on the PC's race.

[Iakus]

CannotCompute wrote...

Would you like certain romantic opportunities to be limited to the race of the PC? - Think Baldur's Gate II: Viconia could only be wooed by a half-elf or human character.

Or do you want no restrictions whatsoever? - Imagine a scene in which a bulky Qunari warrior is making love to a female dwarf, for example, and contemplate if you would like to be able to see this.

No restrictions.  However, they should play out a bit differently.

[Knight of Dane]

Plaintiff wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

No, not unless it is with a character like Velanna that has a serious dislike for humans(Or any race), in which case I'm not likely to romance the character anyway.

Velanna was not that charming.

Racist characters should be able to be enlightened through their interactions with the PC.

I would argue that not all characters should be changeable on the players whim.

I would argue that a character who doesn't grow and change through their interactions with others is a shallow, badly written character.

I'm not arguing that I should be able to change a character's mind on any and all points. I am arguing that I should be able to change their mind on some points, and I'm arguing that racism should be such a point.

Well, I completely agree that characters should grow. The way you wrote it at first just made me think that you meant the player should "choose" character growth.

Good characters are the kind that overcome their flaws.

[Star fury]

Yes, please! Already mentioned reasons why in my thread.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/17340636

Modifié par Star fury, 19 décembre 2013 - 03:35 .

[Thomas Andresen]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I would argue that a character who doesn't grow and change through their interactions with others is a shallow, badly written character.

I'm not arguing that I should be able to change a character's mind on any and all points. I am arguing that I should be able to change their mind on some points, and I'm arguing that racism should be such a point.

Well, I completely agree that characters should grow. The way you wrote it at first just made me think that you meant the player should "choose" character growth.

Good characters are the kind that overcome their flaws.

I agree with this. Even Velanna overcame her hatred, at least to some degree. And hatred isn't the easiest feeling to let go of.

I'd want to add that your influence on other characters should not always pan out as you expect, be it for the better or for the worse.

[t0mm06]

CannotCompute wrote...

Would you like certain romantic opportunities to be limited to the race of the PC? - Think Baldur's Gate II: Viconia could only be wooed by a half-elf or human character.

Or do you want no restrictions whatsoever? - Imagine a scene in which a bulky Qunari warrior is making love to a female dwarf, for example, and contemplate if you would like to be able to see this.

I would like the ideas that romances act out differently depending on race.
E.G. If you play an elf then you can romance another elf and they mention that they wouldnt date a non-elf. ALTHOUGH, if you do play a human then it is more difficult to romance them, and they mention that before you they wouldnt even consider dating a non-elf. (Obviosuly i mean a more in depth version of this)

Plaintiff wrote...

Racist characters should be able to be enlightened through their interactions with the PC.

Depends on whether its a preference e.g eld man doesnt want to date a human as he doesnt want to sully his elf race, but doesnt actually dislike humans as non-sexual partners. I can see him being swayed.
But a full on racist? No, i mean i've seen loads of arguments on this board alone where even presented with full facts and evidence which is conclusive, they still do not admit they are wrong. 

[Augustei]

Plaintiff wrote...
Racist characters should be able to be enlightened through their interactions with the PC.

If you had your way, Thedas would be the most boring place ever. Everyone would get along a hold hands singing kumbaya =P

We needs major differences in opinions and opression and conflict to make things interesting =D

[AresKeith]

I think it would be interesting to see

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Racist characters should be able to be enlightened through their interactions with the PC.

If you had your way, Thedas would be the most boring place ever. Everyone would get along a hold hands singing kumbaya =P

We needs major differences in opinions and opression and conflict to make things interesting =D

^