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[BlueMagitek]

As for the actual topic, outside of shortage of resources, I don't see why not.

[Orian Tabris]

Ryzaki wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

No, not unless it is with a character like Velanna that has a serious dislike for humans(Or any race), in which case I'm not likely to romance the character anyway.

Velanna was not that charming.

I'd have stilled tapped that.

You must be crazy.

Even my elf wouldn't have touched that. Some crazy is sexy but she went over that line along time ago. Plus that butterface.

You are an idiot, my good man. Just because simfam would have tapped that, does not mean that he must be crazy. It is his own opinion that she is good enough for him to tap, and it is your own opinion that she is not. I LOVE Velanna, myself, and would have TOTALLY tapped that (2 of my Wardens would have "hit it, and quit it"). One of the most interesting characters (and comparable to Viconia from Baldur's Gate, though I am not much a fan of her) in the franchise so far.

Also, you meant "a long".

[Orian Tabris]

BlueMagitek wrote...

As for the actual topic, outside of shortage of resources, I don't see why not.

Indeed. There is no reason (outside of a shortage of resources) why BioWare shouldn't make characters who can only be romanced my certain races.

[Ryzaki]

Orian Tabris wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

No, not unless it is with a character like Velanna that has a serious dislike for humans(Or any race), in which case I'm not likely to romance the character anyway.

Velanna was not that charming.

I'd have stilled tapped that.

You must be crazy.

Even my elf wouldn't have touched that. Some crazy is sexy but she went over that line along time ago. Plus that butterface.

You are an idiot, my good man. Just because simfam would have tapped that, does not mean that he must be crazy. It is his own opinion that she is good enough for him to tap, and it is your own opinion that she is not. I LOVE Velanna, myself, and would have TOTALLY tapped that (2 of my Wardens would have "hit it, and quit it"). One of the most interesting characters (and comparable to Viconia from Baldur's Gate, though I am not much a fan of her) in the franchise so far.

Also, you meant "a long".

Pfft I'm not an idiot. I'm the only sane man here. You're all crazy.

Given I can't stand Viconia either that might have something to do with it. (Then again that had more to do with she had no friendship to speak off if you weren't boning her so WTF. Thank modders for friendship mod cause that was ridculous)

Bah so I missed a space. Humbug.

[Br3admax]

Necanor wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Necanor wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...
Well, they are not humans, and what do we call non-humans? Animals. 

Humans are just smart animals. And what seperates us from other animals is what seperates them from other animals: sapience. Your analogy is pretty ridiculous:lol:

I am not attracted to talking dogs anymore than I am to a normal one, thank you. 

Waifu aliens and fantasy races look almost identical to humans. 

The allure is lost on me, I'm afraid. You could argue pointy ears; you can't argue blue skin, horns, twliek heads, or three fingers. 

[Ryzaki]

BlueMagitek wrote...

As for the actual topic, outside of shortage of resources, I don't see why not.

Resources is really the reasoning for pretty much everything in game.

Otherwise why do you really think we don't have wildly diverging plot, multiple choices that lead to nearly different games, unique animations per character and race, hair that moves in the wind, better clothing textures, even better enviorments than they'll have and a far better CC among many many other things. I highly doubt BW wants to not have those things. But there's a price to be paid.

If there were to be race restricted LIs I'd want there to be a restriction for each race, gender and sexuality. And in the end that'd be 9+ LIs which almost everybody has an equal amount of choice (unless they of course don't mind female or male LIs in which case they get more). But the resource cost...

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 décembre 2013 - 11:11 .

[Br3admax]

Ryzaki wrote...

Pfft I'm not an idiot. I'm the only sane man here. You're all crazy.

And I am the nicest. 

[Leitner]

Ryzaki wrote...

But the race restriciton wasn't even in DAO.

Oh look you just gave straight players 2 options and gay players 1. How nice.

Also one can show various preferences without having to waste LI slots. It also makes the NPCs feel more alive  (such as Wynne).

We shouldn't use it because it's a bad arguement. So it's okay to you for Alistair to be completely inconsistent in dislike people who display themselves to be horrible people as long as he doesn't dare like both genders?

And I say the same about the 4 bi LIs in DA2 being bi. Not that huge of a stretch of the imagination for me though it clearly is for you.

Lol, nothing like a conversation where one side completely ignores what the other is saying. I said that Alistair romancing someone who is completely opposite what he stands for doesn't make sense. The fact that a game has inconsistencies and areas where logic doesn't apply IN NO WAY means you should just slap a blanket "that other thing didn't make sense why should this?" to justify whatever you want. 

One of my biggest gripes about DA2 was being able to play a bloodmage freely in a city that is being run by templars. The fact that on several occasions you use bloodmagic right in front of them and they never seem to notice doesn't make sense. And guess what? Bioware seems like they realize this and are apparently trying to make specializations more meaningful in inquisition. Rather then point out 1 item that doesn't make sense as a justification for everything else that doesn't wouldn't it be better that these issues all get addressed?

As for the number of romances available for each orientation you can up them to 2/2 if you feel like. I wouldn't care. Heck you could give each orientation as many as you want as long as they are done well and I'd be fine. Mass effect 3 imo should be the goal here. They have Characters that are straight, bi, gay, and lesbian. And in my opinion they are all done at least decently well. You could argue one side gets slightly better romance options but lets be honest, in real life you cannot always get who you would like either. 

[Fyurian2]

CannotCompute wrote...

Would you like certain romantic opportunities to be limited to the race of the PC? - Think Baldur's Gate II: Viconia could only be wooed by a half-elf or human character.

I really liked that kind of "restriction".
It wasn't so much restricting what was available to players, as it was adding depth to a character.
She had reason enough to not want to go near any Elf, and found (in her own words) even mongrels, and rivvil (humans) more bearable than those of closer racial background, but would still have to overcome her own bias and negative experiences with non-drow and surface dwellers.

Or do you want no restrictions whatsoever? - Imagine a scene in which a bulky Qunari warrior is making love to a female dwarf, for example, and contemplate if you would like to be able to see this.

As funny as "Hawke-sexual" was for companions in DA2, and racial types for players really meaning nothing beyond some dialogue here & there in DA, I personally felt that when it came to friendships and romances, there was a little too much freedom, bordering on pandering to fan desires.

Using the example of Morrigan* and the Dark Ritual for an OGB, it's an option that's available for everyone with the only real restriction being based on gender of the PC, for the obvious reasons of reproductive capabilities.
If female PC, then it needs to be either Alistair or Loghain.
Of course, there was the choice to not even have the ritual take place at all, leading to dead Warden, but not for Morrigan to ask a male PC that wasn't romancing her to convince Alistair/Loghain to take part because she didn't want to make OG Baby-fun with an Elf/Dwarf character, or that she had particular preference for either Dwarf or Elf over Human.

Similarly, none of the romance options actually seemed to care about human/dwarf/elf, only gender, and only Morrigan and Alistair.
It could be said that they are all "enlightened" enough that they aren't concerened about racial differences, only matters of sexuality. Fair enough, but a missed opportunity for deeper character development by giving us a group that practically covers all bases when it comes to sexuality and choices for our characters.

*Why Morrigan?
One of the two heterosexual characters, the DR, and being a man I typically play male characters.

Modifié par Fyurian2, 19 décembre 2013 - 11:11 .

[Orian Tabris]

Necanor wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Necanor wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...
Well, they are not humans, and what do we call non-humans? Animals. 

Humans are just smart animals. And what seperates us from other animals is what seperates them from other animals: sapience. Your analogy is pretty ridiculous:lol:

I am not attracted to talking dogs anymore than I am to a normal one, thank you. 

Waifu aliens and fantasy races look almost identical to humans.

Minus the pointy ears, differently coloured skin, the number of arms, legs, eyes and breasts (and the shape of such), hairstyles and reproductive organs, sure! "Identical"!

[Sir DeLoria]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Humans are just smart animals. And what seperates us from other animals is what seperates them from other animals: sapience. Your analogy is pretty ridiculous:lol:

I am not attracted to talking dogs anymore than I am to a normal one, thank you. 

Waifu aliens and fantasy races look almost identical to humans. 

And yet, they are not human.

Oh, a person looks like a human, acts like a human but by definition isn't and that makes it immoral? Yeah, I guess you're right. How dare Lois Lane date a filthy alien?! Beastality!

[Sir DeLoria]

Br3ad wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
I am not attracted to talking dogs anymore than I am to a normal one, thank you. 

Waifu aliens and fantasy races look almost identical to humans. 

The allure is lost on me, I'm afraid. You could argue pointy ears; you can't argue blue skin, horns, twliek heads, or three fingers. 

Some people have a mutation that causes them to be born with less fingers and/or toes. You wouldn't consider them human beings?

[Ryzaki]

Leitner wrote...Lol, nothing like a conversation where one side completely ignores what the other is saying. I said that Alistair romancing someone who is completely opposite what he stands for doesn't make sense. The fact that a game has inconsistencies and areas where logic doesn't apply IN NO WAY means you should just slap a blanket "that other thing didn't make sense why should this?" to justify whatever you want.

I'm not using it to justify "anything I want" I'm using it to justify a lack of a restriction in something that's not even restricted for a good reason.

Why oh why should Fenris and Merrill be restricted to o/s only? Do you have a good reason for that? Or is it just for reasons?

Because it's blatantly shown that alistair does not like cruel/manipulative people. It's not something that can be disputed. Is the same shown regarding his sexuality? Or Fenris? Or Merrill's? (I'm FAR more bothered that a blood mage can romance Anders and Fenris without a peep than them being bi).

One of my biggest gripes about DA2 was being able to play a bloodmage freely in a city that is being run by templars. The fact that on several occasions you use bloodmagic right in front of them and they never seem to notice doesn't make sense. And guess what? Bioware seems like they realize this and are apparently trying to make specializations more meaningful in inquisition. Rather then point out 1 item that doesn't make sense as a justification for everything else that doesn't wouldn't it be better that these issues all get addressed?

And I'd rather they worry about plot holes such as they bolded than LIs. Because that crap happened in DAO as well. And having restricted LIs didn't help it.

As for the number of romances available for each orientation you can up them to 2/2 if you feel like. I wouldn't care. Heck you could give each orientation as many as you want as long as they are done well and I'd be fine. Mass effect 3 imo should be the goal here. They have Characters that are straight, bi, gay, and lesbian. And in my opinion they are all done at least decently well. You could argue one side gets slightly better romance options but lets be honest, in real life you cannot always get who you would like either. 

Mass Effect 3 where there were 2 gay exclusive LIs, Male Shepard had 6+ LIs and FemShep had (not even six she had 4) until 2 of hers got aborted? Yes what a stellar example to look up to.

Also in real life most of the LIs wouldn't be available to certain Shepards (or even any Shepards). As for one side getting "slightly" better romance options sure that's similar to real life true but well there's no reason it has to be that way. In RL female players should have far more hookup LI options yet for some reason they don't in game. Odd how that works.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 décembre 2013 - 11:20 .

[Br3admax]

Necanor wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
I am not attracted to talking dogs anymore than I am to a normal one, thank you. 

Waifu aliens and fantasy races look almost identical to humans. 

The allure is lost on me, I'm afraid. You could argue pointy ears; you can't argue blue skin, horns, twliek heads, or three fingers. 

Some people have a mutation that causes them to be born with less fingers and/or toes. You wouldn't consider them human beings?

That strawman aside, I didn't say that. However I also probably would want to sleep with them either. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 19 décembre 2013 - 11:17 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Br3ad wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Waifu aliens and fantasy races look almost identical to humans. 

The allure is lost on me, I'm afraid. You could argue pointy ears; you can't argue blue skin, horns, twliek heads, or three fingers. 

Some people have a mutation that causes them to be born with less fingers and/or toes. You wouldn't consider them human beings?

That ad hominem aside, I didn't say that. However I also probably would want to sleep with them either. 

You know me Bread I love to use ad hominem. Oh well, to each his own^_^

[Seboist]

The Tali (and Garrus) romance was juvenile LCD pandering like the playersexual ones in DA2. I "liked" how a human could have sex with a Quarian with no complications.

Not to mention the idea of having sex with a Quarian or Turian is very disgusting and disturbing.

[Br3admax]

Necanor wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Waifu aliens and fantasy races look almost identical to humans. 

The allure is lost on me, I'm afraid. You could argue pointy ears; you can't argue blue skin, horns, twliek heads, or three fingers. 

Some people have a mutation that causes them to be born with less fingers and/or toes. You wouldn't consider them human beings?

That ad hominem aside, I didn't say that. However I also probably would want to sleep with them either. 

You know me Bread I love to use ad hominem. Oh well, to each his own^_^

Sorry about that, I put the wrong fallacy in, I meant strawman the first time. And I'm not saying that you have to agree with me; I just wouldn't. 

[Sir DeLoria]

Seboist wrote...

The Tali (and Garrus) romance was juvenile LCD pandering like the playersexual ones in DA2. I "liked" how a human could have sex with a Quarian with no complications.

Not to mention the idea of having sex with a Quarian or Turian is very disgusting and disturbing.

Oh, but Asari are ok in your eyes?

[wolfhowwl]

Seboist wrote...

The Tali (and Garrus) romance was juvenile LCD pandering like the playersexual ones in DA2. I "liked" how a human could have sex with a Quarian with no complications.

Not to mention the idea of having sex with a Quarian or Turian is very disgusting and disturbing.

Kink shaming now? That's just great.

The bigotry here makes me want to leave this cesspool of a site.

[Ryzaki]

[quote]Seboist wrote...

The Tali (and Garrus) romance was juvenile LCD pandering like the playersexual ones in DA2. I "liked" how a human could have sex with a Quarian with no complications.

Not to mention the idea of having sex with a Quarian or Turian is very disgusting and disturbing.[/quote]

[/quote]

I don't understand WTF the devs were doing with talimance. "Hey she might die from sex! Let's do it anyway! RIGHT before a SM where she'll need to be in tip top shape! Herp derp!"

Not enough facepalms in the world.

Though Seb they're humans in customes for pete's sake. Plus Tali is a three fingered human with bird feet. Not that bad.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 décembre 2013 - 11:28 .