Darth Brotarian wrote...
Bioware romances have always been pretty terrible. Doesn't matter what you do in game for mass effect, as long as you lay on the sweet talk you get laid, and then it just ends without impact or being brought up again. I could sell a quarian out to cerberus to torture for information, sell out tali's father, and still get laid by her just by saying how interesting her nerding out is. And I liked tali as a character, but god damn was it far too easy to hook up.
Dragon age had a good system in origins, characters stuck to their beliefs and didn't compromise themselves unless highly convinced to do so, and even then didn't do stuff they didn't want to without being forced or coerced. In dragon age 2 all that went out the window, both because there was only a human protagonist and also because none of the characters had defined stories to work with.
Tali's romance was stupid on several levels as for your arguement on Origins. I could romance Alistair despite killing the elves, selling people into slavery, slitting Conner's throat and so on. All it took was knowing when to sweet talk at the right time and what gifts to give him. I could romance Zevran with a human superimist, I could romance Morrigan with a sicklingly uptight white knight character, I could romance Leliana (hardened but still)
after poisoning the ashes and telling her to back down if she knew what was good for her. This whole "compromise themselves." is
nothing new. I don't know why people act like it is.
Isabela I can see cause it fits her character, shes like a female fenris. Anders I can sort of see hooking up with you, but at the same time, why my human templar could still shag him I have no clue. Fenris, as a mage, could still be banged, despite every one of his beliefs and values, and that was just plain bad shipping no way around it. Merrill was probably the one that made the most-ish sense, but only just. As someone raised a dalish all her life, I find it strange she would so easily want to be with a human of all things. Maybe it was the rebelliousness or feeling betrayed by her people and wanting to distance herself from that culture, but something about it just doesn't sit right.
Re the bolded: WHAT. Do you mean as in having been enslaved to someone once? Cause otherwise I'm
completely baffled. Fenris is the first person to admit there's good mages. Just they're rare. Listen to him talk to Bethany or to a friendship Hawke. I don't know where people keep getting Fenris hates all mages from that's not remotely teh case. He
distrusts mages (via his own personal experiences and biases) and it seems more like he distrusts anyone with alot of power.
"I have no doubt some of the Magisters are good and noble men, but how many temptations do you want to offer a man before he gives in." Mages just happen to have more than most people and he's witnessed the abuse of that power first hand. It's wariness. Everytime he does explode at hawke undeservedly he apologizes for it after he's calmed down. (That said Blood Mage Hawke shouldn't be able to romance Fenris OR Anders well...maybe Anders but Fenris? No way). As for Merrill she was raised among the dalish...as an outcast. She has no friends. Even a rival Hawke she considers someone she can rely on and trust (even if she's not overly happy about it). How is it so hard to believe she'd latch on to someone who treats her nicely and fall in love with them despite them not being the same race? (Yes even a rival Hawke to get her to romance him *has* to do her favors, has to admit to trying to protect her, has to be somewhat decent even if he's a bit douchecanoey about it.) She's socially awkward and a loner not to mention her whole clan seems to barely tolerate her with the exception of Marethari.
Either way, I think the restrictions based on player class and choices should come before the restrictions on race, though it should play a part for characters who hold strong racial views or preferences to state and or uphold those views. Your sass however was a bit unexpected, given in your last post your only defense was "You can get what you want varied sexualities and preferences without having to restrict LIs. They're not mutually exclusive. Ra forbid someone want to have more than one crappy option." and that doesn't really leave a lot to go on.
Honestly I read it as "you cna have interesting characters and characters who have sex with anything and having one type of character doesn't exclude the exsistence of the other type."
I don't mind restrictions based off specializations or class (but Fenris once again does not hate all mages so him romancing a mage isn't him rolling out the welcome wagon. It's him romancing a blood mage that's the issue there).
My sass was a response to your ignoring characterization to make your "hurr durr no personality" point. If you can't be bothered to learn about the characters your complaining about I have no need not to sass you. It'd be one thing if you were admitting ignorance but you're acting as though you're in the right when you're blatantly incorrect.
As for that. WHY would you read it that way? I was simply saying good characterization doesn't mean they can't be open to all races and genders. There's far more for them to express personality with than that in game. You're the one talking about them being walking sex machines built only for the PC's personal pleasure. (NVm Isabela WILL skip out on you with too low rivalry/friendship, Fenris/Merrill will side against you with too low rivalry/friendship if you side with the mages/templars). I mean I can understand not liking the all bi system. Fair enough. But there's no need to make up bull**** to make your arguement sound better.
Edit: And yeah I'm snippy. I'm sick to hell of hearing "all bi Lis means they don't have personality or they're completely submissive to the PC!" NVM that in many BW games (if not most) majority of the companions are submissive to the player. (well til obligatory I'm evil and it's time I show it (ignoring that you can possibly have LITERALLY been kicking puppies at this point *looking at you JE*) option where they futily rebel and you either kill them all or cull them into line). It seriously took them that long to realize my PC was insane? WUT.
This is not something new. Why are people acting like it is.
Now if you want characters to have more backbone more often and tell the PC where to shove it? AGREED. (Hopefully without getting cut down in the next few seconds or running away like a little *ahem* leaving a kid alone to be skewered*) That however isn't directly related to the amount of bi LIs however. I want all bi LIs that
do tell the PC where to shove it if he/she is playing a character that's directly contrary to their goals and values. Not this I'll pout a bit and call you a monster but since you make kissing faces at me it's k.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 décembre 2013 - 09:08 .
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