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[Grieving Natashina]

After reading the thread, I've reached the same conclusion as some others have. While I'm opposed to racially restricted romances, I am in favor of ones based on personality. For example, the cruel and sadistic jerk shouldn't be able to just talk sweet and woo the pure hearted priest due to the right gifts. Or the holy Templar shouldn't get together with the Blood Mage for same reasons. The actions and the methods the players take should have consquences upon the LIs in the game. I'd love to see some of the LIs call out the player for their actions, whether the PC is being "too good" or "too evil."

I also like the idea of making some LIs harder to romance than others due to race/class. Not impossible, but more optional dialog based upon the companion's personality reacting to the PC. I also don't mind having a few companions that aren't LIs (like Aveline and Varric,) or ones that aren't so "herosexual."

[Toasted Llama]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

daveliam wrote...

Toasted Llama wrote...

Pfffsh. This is getting ridiculous. On BSN everything can be restricted in one way or another but if you touch the romances, ho boy.

I think it's ridiculous because the only reasons why people list for restricting are:

because they think it's more realistic, which some people value and others don't, making it subjective
or
because they think it adds replay value, which no one has been able to explain exactly why they think that restricting romances adds any more replay value than not restricting romances. 

For me, it boils down to this:  If you want to restrict the content for yourself, you can choose to do that, but I don't see why you should restrict it for people who don't want that.  I don't care about realism in this instance, so your preferences shouldn't be forced on other people.  Not restricting it allows everyone to get what they want but restricting it only allows it for some people.

As for the bolded, I entirely agree with you but some people seem to be incapable of playing their own game entirely as their own game, and not letting what someone else that they don't even know is doing in their game, ruin their Immersion or whatever.  That is what I find ridiculous.

Hey. we're just stating our opinions, we can't force our opinions on any else as it is still in the developer's hands.

If Bioware decides to add restrictions to romances then that's too bad for you. Make a mod or roll another class/race/playstyle, problem solved.

If Bioware decides to add no restrictions to romances whatsoever then that's too bad for me, the whole romancing things becomes one big shallow pile of fanservice.


This whole "don't force your opinions on others!' thing needs to stop as it is not a valid argument; the devs decide what happens. Go complain to them if they agree with us, instead of telling us to shut the hell up because we'd like to see something in the games.

[jncicesp]

Toasted Llama wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

daveliam wrote...

Toasted Llama wrote...

Pfffsh. This is getting ridiculous. On BSN everything can be restricted in one way or another but if you touch the romances, ho boy.

I think it's ridiculous because the only reasons why people list for restricting are:

because they think it's more realistic, which some people value and others don't, making it subjective
or
because they think it adds replay value, which no one has been able to explain exactly why they think that restricting romances adds any more replay value than not restricting romances. 

For me, it boils down to this:  If you want to restrict the content for yourself, you can choose to do that, but I don't see why you should restrict it for people who don't want that.  I don't care about realism in this instance, so your preferences shouldn't be forced on other people.  Not restricting it allows everyone to get what they want but restricting it only allows it for some people.

As for the bolded, I entirely agree with you but some people seem to be incapable of playing their own game entirely as their own game, and not letting what someone else that they don't even know is doing in their game, ruin their Immersion or whatever.  That is what I find ridiculous.

Hey. we're just stating our opinions, we can't force our opinions on any else as it is still in the developer's hands.

If Bioware decides to add restrictions to romances then that's too bad for you. Make a mod or roll another class/race/playstyle, problem solved.

If Bioware decides to add no restrictions to romances whatsoever then that's too bad for me, the whole romancing things becomes one big shallow pile of fanservice.


This whole "don't force your opinions on others!' thing needs to stop as it is not a valid argument; the devs decide what happens. Go complain to them if they agree with us, instead of telling us to shut the hell up because we'd like to see something in the games.

There really isnt any reason for a character to be only straight or gay IF theyre an option for a romance I really cant think of one reason besides it makes people mad.  something as small as a racial or gender preference Really shouldnt be a huge part of a character.(or maybe I just dont see why its important)

I cant even think of how samantha and cortez  would be different if they were bi or straight

Or Morrigan and Alistair if they were bi or gay, race didnt really matter to much.

So far the only fan service romances ive seen were Tali and Garrus and they could be romanced by anyone as long as its the opposite sex Any personality Any backround any choices so long as they alive and help them.

[Toasted Llama]

jncicesp wrote...

There really isnt any reason for a character to be only straight or gay IF theyre an option for a romance I really cant think of one reason besides it makes people mad.  something as small as a racial or gender preference Really shouldnt be a huge part of a character.(or maybe I just dont see why its important)

I cant even think of how samantha and cortez  would be different if they were bi or straight

Or Morrigan and Alistair if they were bi or gay, race didnt really matter to much.

So far the only fan service romances ive seen were Tali and Garrus and they could be romanced by anyone as long as its the opposite sex Any personality Any backround any choices so long as they alive and help them.

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Elves not wanting to romance anyone but elves, especially not humans because they are being oppressed by humans and therefore hold a grudge? (And well, their offspring being human, but that can be seen as a valid reason because a romance is not about the offspring anyway. But it CAN encourage an elf to be much more reluctant to mate a human, especially because elves bond for life, if I'm not mistaken)

Qunari not wanting to romance anyone else but qunari because what Sten said about Qunari romance might actually be true?

Dwarves not wanting to romance anyone that is a surfacer, because they consider surfacers to be less? Or a dwarf noble from a caste not wanting to romance a casteless, because obviously as we've seen in Orzammar, those nobles are basically kicked out of their house?

Templars not wanting to romance a malificarum because they are taught and raised to hate malificarum? (look at the Jowan and Lily. Once Jowan used blood magic, Lily basically hated him and accepted her punishment lol)

Humans not wanting to romance anyone else but humans because they are stuck up racists?

Mind you, I'm not saying every person is like that, of course there are exceptions to the rule, but if one of the companions has one of these visions it would be really, really, really bad fan service to make them romance the people they detest/hate.

As for straight/gay/bi; people are born that way. If Bioware considers the Dragon Age universe to follow that rule, then there will be companions that may not be bisexual. It's not really a matter of "it won't change their personality" it's more of a "does dragon age follow the 'rule' that people are born either straight, gay or bi?"

If the Dragon Age universe does NOT follow that rule; by all means, make every character bisexual.

[BlueMagitek]

I don't believe Thedas Elves bond for life. Otherwise, explain Zevran.

[Toasted Llama]

BlueMagitek wrote...

I don't believe Thedas Elves bond for life. Otherwise, explain Zevran.

I thought I read somewhere that Dalish bond for life, could be mistaken though...

Anyway, in that case I might be wrong. Or Zevran is just "special" anyway lol

[Magdalena11]

Starsyn wrote...

After reading the thread, I've reached the same conclusion as some others have. While I'm opposed to racially restricted romances, I am in favor of ones based on personality. For example, the cruel and sadistic jerk shouldn't be able to just talk sweet and woo the pure hearted priest due to the right gifts. Or the holy Templar shouldn't get together with the Blood Mage for same reasons. The actions and the methods the players take should have consquences upon the LIs in the game. I'd love to see some of the LIs call out the player for their actions, whether the PC is being "too good" or "too evil."

I also like the idea of making some LIs harder to romance than others due to race/class. Not impossible, but more optional dialog based upon the companion's personality reacting to the PC. I also don't mind having a few companions that aren't LIs (like Aveline and Varric,) or ones that aren't so "herosexual."

I did like that about DA2 - Hawke couldn't woo with gifts - it was all dialogue choices and approval rating.  And the fact that giving Feynriel to Torpor might cut off the chance of completing a romance with Anders made sense.  I always hated that in DAO I could reach 100% approval with Morrigan through dialogue and gifts and never take her on a single quest.  Gifts and dialogue should play a part in approval but only up to a point.  And yes, companions who are not potential LIs are great.  It was great being able to engage in light, humorous flirtation with Varric and know it was just a bit of fun.

I think many players might be frustrated if a particular LI is barred due to race or gender choice in CC.  Some players quit when Aveline turned them down and she was never a LI.  I guess having heart icons next to dialogue choices made it look like she was one.  Ironic - instead of ninja romance DA2 had ninja friend-zone.  Hopefully it'll be easier to spot the true LIs this time around.

I like the idea of some races getting a slight initial approval bonus with certain companions.  I also like the idea of certain companions being off-limits to everyone.  

[jncicesp]

Toasted Llama wrote...

jncicesp wrote...

There really isnt any reason for a character to be only straight or gay IF theyre an option for a romance I really cant think of one reason besides it makes people mad.  something as small as a racial or gender preference Really shouldnt be a huge part of a character.(or maybe I just dont see why its important)

I cant even think of how samantha and cortez  would be different if they were bi or straight

Or Morrigan and Alistair if they were bi or gay, race didnt really matter to much.

So far the only fan service romances ive seen were Tali and Garrus and they could be romanced by anyone as long as its the opposite sex Any personality Any backround any choices so long as they alive and help them.

...

Elves not wanting to romance anyone but elves, especially not humans because they are being oppressed by humans and therefore hold a grudge? (And well, their offspring being human, but that can be seen as a valid reason because a romance is not about the offspring anyway. But it CAN encourage an elf to be much more reluctant to mate a human, especially because elves bond for life, if I'm not mistaken)

Qunari not wanting to romance anyone else but qunari because what Sten said about Qunari romance might actually be true?

Dwarves not wanting to romance anyone that is a surfacer, because they consider surfacers to be less? Or a dwarf noble from a caste not wanting to romance a casteless, because obviously as we've seen in Orzammar, those nobles are basically kicked out of their house?

Templars not wanting to romance a malificarum because they are taught and raised to hate malificarum? (look at the Jowan and Lily. Once Jowan used blood magic, Lily basically hated him and accepted her punishment lol)

Humans not wanting to romance anyone else but humans because they are stuck up racists?

Mind you, I'm not saying every person is like that, of course there are exceptions to the rule, but if one of the companions has one of these visions it would be really, really, really bad fan service to make them romance the people they detest/hate.

As for straight/gay/bi; people are born that way. If Bioware considers the Dragon Age universe to follow that rule, then there will be companions that may not be bisexual. It's not really a matter of "it won't change their personality" it's more of a "does dragon age follow the 'rule' that people are born either straight, gay or bi?"

If the Dragon Age universe does NOT follow that rule; by all means, make every character bisexual.

Well theyre already willing to follow you even if you are something/someone They hate so they might be able to get over a Race issue. maybe not the Qunari but in DAO and DA2 you could get elves to like you even if you wernt an elf and they really hated humans.

I really wouldnt have an issue with Race restricted stuff but I find it hard to believe that a character isnt willing to get over it, Merrill  didnt really like humans and that was your only Race choice. (if you could have been an elf they could have made it easier to romance her or just really different)

and I just dont see why they would go out of their way to write a romance and put it in the game Just so you cant have it,  when it comes down to it its a game thats locking away content cause they cant make 4 or so characters be interested in whatever gender without feeling like theyre taking away their Humanity, Even if they were Mostly straight or gay.. they can make each on a little different  and really get a feel for the character.

In Both Games you could Influence The Major parts of Party memebers. you can make Merrill Break her mirror and stop caring about Elven history. But making someone like a diff race or gender is to far? Odds are you wont even know what gender they would prefer(Its easy to assume that they would prefer their own race)

Tallis was Qunari she can kinda like Hawke and She did like that one Templar guy. made her feel more thought out.

[daveliam]

Fandango9641 wrote...

What's ridiculous to me is the expectation of some that every companion should be sexually available to the player. YMMV.

True.  Except I don't see people saying this.  No one is saying that "every companion should be sexually available to the player."  People are saying that LI's (who are available to the player) shouldn't have artificial restrictions placed on them because there will probably be only 2 males and 2 females to begin with.  Most people are saying that they are in favor of some of the characters, such as the list that Toasted Llama listed a few posts down from you, being more difficult to romance based on personality and race, but not restricted.  I don't see anyone stating that all of the companions should be LI's.  That's different than the sweeping overexaggeration that you stated.

[Zerker]

Dwarf and Qunari is just a big no.

Don't get me started on Tauren and Gnomes.

[Hellion Rex]

Maddok900 wrote...

Dwarf and Qunari is just a big no.

Don't get me started on Tauren and Gnomes.

What is wrong with Dwarf and Qunari romances?

[Zerker]

eluvianix wrote...

Maddok900 wrote...

Dwarf and Qunari is just a big no.

Don't get me started on Tauren and Gnomes.

What is wrong with Dwarf and Qunari romances?

Crushed Dwarf innards.

[daveliam]

Maddok900 wrote...

Crushed Dwarf innards.

Based on what?  Yeah, a qunari is bigger than a dwarf, but so what.  A great dane is bigger than a chihuahua but it doesn't stop them from mating.  Biologically, there is nothing to indicate that they can't mate.

[BobZilla84]

I hope that there wont be restrictions at all just make the Romance more difficult to initiate and maintain if you have to have racial Distrust thats fine but keep it in the Romance "Scenes,Dialogs and Banters" but don't have Character A will only romance an Inquisitor of a certain Race/Sex/Class just make everyone available thats an Li. I get why Alistair/Morriigan were Hetero options only because they were written to do specefic things mainly the Dark Ritual granted I think they could have been Bi but thats me just think about the S*** Storm that will happen if Cullen is brought back as a Hetero only option I can already see the Torches and Pitchforks lol.

[Zerker]

daveliam wrote...

Maddok900 wrote...

Crushed Dwarf innards.

Based on what?  Yeah, a qunari is bigger than a dwarf, but so what.  A great dane is bigger than a chihuahua but it doesn't stop them from mating.  Biologically, there is nothing to indicate that they can't mate.

Oh come on.

Modifié par Maddok900, 23 décembre 2013 - 04:53 .

[daveliam]

Maddok900 wrote...

Oh come on.

So here's an idea..... if it bothers you, don't do it.  Don't play as a dwarf and romance a qunari or vice versa.  However, it doesn't bother me so I don't see why it shouldn't be an option just because you find it icky.

[Zerker]

daveliam wrote...

Maddok900 wrote...

Oh come on.

So here's an idea..... if it bothers you, don't do it.  Don't play as a dwarf and romance a qunari or vice versa.  However, it doesn't bother me so I don't see why it shouldn't be an option just because you find it icky.

I like your idea, but it does not bother me, I'm actually into that stuff. However, unless we get absolute measurements for Qunari and Dwarven genitals, I'm going to go with a sad dwarf lady with crushed innards.

[Thomas Andresen]

daveliam wrote...

Maddok900 wrote...

Crushed Dwarf innards.

Based on what?  Yeah, a qunari is bigger than a dwarf, but so what.  A great dane is bigger than a chihuahua but it doesn't stop them from mating.  Biologically, there is nothing to indicate that they can't mate.

Bravo.

Seriously. It's only a problem if you make it a problem. Stop making a problem out of something that is not.

[Zerker]

You really should stop taking comments on intercourse between giant ox-men and dwarves so seriously. This is fantasy species having sex, no one is making a scientific arguement. It's just chit-chat, and everyone is okay either way.

Modifié par Maddok900, 23 décembre 2013 - 05:30 .

[Silfren]

Maddok900 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Maddok900 wrote...

Dwarf and Qunari is just a big no.

Don't get me started on Tauren and Gnomes.

What is wrong with Dwarf and Qunari romances?

Crushed Dwarf innards.

You're being a tad ridiculous.  There's no reason to assume this would be an issue.

[Secretlyapotato]

Maddok900 wrote...

I like your idea, but it does not bother me, I'm actually into that stuff. However, unless we get absolute measurements for Qunari and Dwarven genitals, I'm going to go with a sad dwarf lady with crushed innards.

That sounds hot.

[Zerker]

Silfren wrote...

Maddok900 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Maddok900 wrote...

Dwarf and Qunari is just a big no.

Don't get me started on Tauren and Gnomes.

What is wrong with Dwarf and Qunari romances?

Crushed Dwarf innards.

You're being a tad ridiculous.  There's no reason to assume this would be an issue.

Gosh you people are really used to having serious discussions over fantasy sex aren't you?

Chill and talk about Qunari with erectile dsyfunction or something, I mean really.

Modifié par Maddok900, 23 décembre 2013 - 05:38 .

[Toasted Llama]

IF it's going to be "more difficult" and not "impossible" then I certainly hope it's NOT going to be that you just need a bit more approval points. Like oh, I just need to pop in a few more gifts and sweet talk and I'm done.

Though I'd also like to argue that some actions might result into them becoming no longer available like halfway through the game because you, blah, don't know, kill x or y.
(I believe they did this with Tali in ME3. If you side with the geth, she commits suicide)

They could've done that in DA:O already. Kill Connor in cold blood and Alistair is no longer available, keep Flemeth alive and side with her and Morrigan is no longer available, side with the cult and pour dragon blood in the urn of Andraste and Leliana is no longer available and if you keep mistrusting Zevran he'll become unavailable (is there anything you can do to ****** that guy off anyway? lol). They still follow because you haven't driven them insane yet, but they no longer romance you because what you did was so not done for them.

[Thomas Andresen]

Gosh you people are really used to having serious discussions over fantasy sex aren't you?

Chill and talk about Qunari with erectile dsyfunction or something, I mean really.

If you didn't want a discussion, then why'd you bring it up in the first place?