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[Ryzaki]

Steelcan wrote...

Id post everyones favorite krogan shaman but my phone is not wrll suited

XD

Honestly though ontopic my reason for not wanting racial restrictions is because yeah it'll screw over the little guy and not human players.

That said if the devs decide to make the LIs as irritating and self absorbed as the LIs in BG2 racial restrictions might be a blessing. Rolling Qunari ftw in that scenario. No more being harassed over or people assuming I wanted to bone them because I was trying to comfort them about their dead husband whom I was friends with. It would be beautiful.

[Steelcan]

As long as there isn't another Merrill or Lelianaesque character...

[Ryzaki]

daveliam wrote...
And it sucks to hear that it's people who are planning on playing as humans that are the ones who are in favor of restrictions.  I change my vote:  I'd like to have restrictions but only against humans.  I'd also like to go to the DA: O way of doing romances but instead have 1 lesbian and 1 bisexual option as female LIs.  I mean Traynor was just so popular, it makes sense to make a similar lady in DA: I, right? Oh, and the bisexual option is a human hating elf.  I mean, she's such a deeper character since she won't romance humans, right?  Then we'll see how many people are still in favor of it.

I plan on a Qunari fem warrior and if the human males are too scared of her muscles to romance her I will think less of their manhood.  

Not to mention it was very easy not to mind Traynor or Steve considering straight Sheps had 3x the amount of Lis (even if FemShep got boned over alot on that point).

Steelcan wrote...

As long as there isn't another Merrill or Lelianaesque character...

Isn't Arie pretty much Merrill with an attitude problem and getting mad at you for being sexually assualted?  Well Arie whines a lot more.

Yeah the underdark ah the underdark having my PC flip the hell out and kill all of them was beautiful. Even if I did reload and it's non canon.

But yeah I don't mind merrills/Liara's. It's the holding a torch and never getting over it that bothered me with Liara and Merrill isn't that bad if you rival her. She at least shows some spine (even if she's making me want to facepalm alot of the time).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 décembre 2013 - 09:49 .

[daveliam]

jaza wrote...

Id still be in favor of it. Romanes, even egen done well, are hardly important to me and dont add all that much. 

So if it's content that you don't access, why are you looking to restrict it for those who do?

I don't play as a renegade in ME ever, so I wouldn't be in favor of restricting the content and I wouldn't be in favor of expanding the content.  That's content that I'm not interested in playing so I don't have an opinion on it.  Particularly an opinion that would cut out options for other players.

[Steelcan]

daveliam wrote...

jaza wrote...

Id still be in favor of it. Romanes, even egen done well, are hardly important to me and dont add all that much. 

So if it's content that you don't access, why are you looking to restrict it for those who do?

I don't play as a renegade in ME ever, so I wouldn't be in favor of restricting the content and I wouldn't be in favor of expanding the content.  That's content that I'm not interested in playing so I don't have an opinion on it.  Particularly an opinion that would cut out options for other players.

filthy paragons:bandit:

[The_11thDoctor]

no.

[daveliam]

Steelcan wrote...

filthy paragons:bandit:

Yeah, I know.  I'm a goody-goody boy scout.  But the beauty of these games is that it doesn't affect anyone else's experience!

Modifié par daveliam, 19 décembre 2013 - 09:52 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Nah, don't think it's a good idea.

But I honestly just hope the romances are more like those in DA:O and less like those in DA2.

[Sir DeLoria]

Steelcan wrote...

daveliam wrote...

jaza wrote...

Id still be in favor of it. Romanes, even egen done well, are hardly important to me and dont add all that much. 

So if it's content that you don't access, why are you looking to restrict it for those who do?

I don't play as a renegade in ME ever, so I wouldn't be in favor of restricting the content and I wouldn't be in favor of expanding the content.  That's content that I'm not interested in playing so I don't have an opinion on it.  Particularly an opinion that would cut out options for other players.

filthy paragons:bandit:

Hey, I'm standing right here:lol:

[Ryzaki]

daveliam wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

filthy paragons:bandit:

Yeah, I know.  I'm a goody-goody boy scout.  But the beauty of these games is that it doesn't affect anyone else's experience!

Oh boy don't get me started on the Rachni Queen mission. Just don't...
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Steelcan wrote...

Lol I know that feeling....

Not to be...heightist? But I just can't do a dwarf for long

I'm so happy I'm not the only one.

I wanted to because I heard Alistair had a cute kiss with a dwarven lady but...nope. Not doing the neck craning to get there.

[jaza]

daveliam wrote...

jaza wrote...

Id still be in favor of it. Romanes, even egen done well, are hardly important to me and dont add all that much. 

So if it's content that you don't access, why are you looking to restrict it for those who do?

I don't play as a renegade in ME ever, so I wouldn't be in favor of restricting the content and I wouldn't be in favor of expanding the content.  That's content that I'm not interested in playing so I don't have an opinion on it.  Particularly an opinion that would cut out options for other players.

Im not. If bioware wants to make all the chars romanceable i wont complain. I will however wonder why it was so important to some, considering bioware romance arcs are often, though not always, very mixed bags.

Ah well. Different strokes for different folks and so on. 

[Steelcan]

I might one day get to it, but for now I'll settle with elves and humans.

Though I've always been a fan of tall elves, not short ones

[Navasha]

One of these threads again...

Answer: No. But its realistic you say... well, no it isn't. In the real world you don't choose a romantic partner from a pool of only 4 possible choices. So the realism argument has already failed.

When games start throwing out the option to romance the choice of 100+ characters, then fine... make some of them restricted. When you are only give a choice or really A or B, then no... those choices must be interested in the player regardless of race.

[Fredward]

This is a stupid, stupid thread. Like even more stupid than the other stock BSN threads that seem to reappear as if some cosmic entity has them on loop.

[David7204]

Yeah...

No.

[Leitner]

there 100% should be race/gender restrictions on romances. In DA:O You could romance someone like zevran no matter what, He had no personal qualms about who/what you were. He had done it all in his line of work and enjoyed it. He states a preference for females but at the end of the day it doesn't matter.

Alistair on the other hand was raised in a far more sheltered environment and was only romanceable by a female. It would be pretty easy to make a case that he should have had a race preference as well but with only 4 romances in DA:O that would have been difficult.

DA2 on the other hand had none of that. Your companions(other then varric/avaline) seemingly didn't have their own opinions on the matter. And this really bugs me. Real people have preferences. Some people have no restrictions, others might have restrictions based on gender, race, or possibly even details such as height, hair color, etc.

Dragon age should have a mix of companions with their own opinions on things. Some people should be fixed in their ways, some people should be persuadable, and some should have no restrictions at all. Just like real people.

Having every party member go with the PCs preference for romance is just as ridiculous as if every one of them agreed with annulment in the circle tower.

[Orian Tabris]

Plaintiff wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

No, not unless it is with a character like Velanna that has a serious dislike for humans(Or any race), in which case I'm not likely to romance the character anyway.

Velanna was not that charming.

Racist characters should be able to be enlightened through their interactions with the PC.

This was possible in Baldur's Gate II, where you could change Viconia's mind about things (I am not too sure on the specifics, since I only ever romanced Aerie, but I have seen informatioin about it). You could also change the way Anomen thought, but it had nothing to do with racism (unlike Viconia, right?).

[daveliam]

Leitner wrote...

Alistair on the other hand was raised in a far more sheltered environment and was only romanceable by a female. It would be pretty easy to make a case that he should have had a race preference as well but with only 4 romances in DA:O that would have been difficult.

Okay, two things and then I'm bowing out because it's clear the direction this thread is going:

1.)  Why would being raised in the Chantry make Alistair only romanceable by a female?  That's like saying that people who go to catholic school are all straight.  Just silly.

2.)  Why is it okay to restrict Alistair to only being romanceable by a female (thus restricting m/m choices to 1), but it's not okay to put in a race restriction because there are "only 4 romances" making it "difficult"?  Hello, contradiction.

Modifié par daveliam, 19 décembre 2013 - 10:15 .

[Orian Tabris]

Leitner wrote...

DA2 on the other hand had none of that. Your companions(other then varric/avaline) seemingly didn't have their own opinions on the matter. And this really bugs me. Real people have preferences. Some people have no restrictions, others might have restrictions based on gender, race, or possibly even details such as height, hair color, etc.

Dragon age should have a mix of companions with their own opinions on things. Some people should be fixed in their ways, some people should be persuadable, and some should have no restrictions at all. Just like real people.

I completely agree with this, and am one of those people who didn't like how the romances in DAII (aside from Sebastian) could be romanced irrespective of gender. Unfortunately, voice acting costs a lot of money (or so I've read), thus it is too much to ask. As long as the available romance-possible companions have gender requirements, minimum, the romances will be credible (at least in my eyes).

[Ryzaki]

Leitner wrote...

there 100% should be race/gender restrictions on romances. In DA:O You could romance someone like zevran no matter what, He had no personal qualms about who/what you were. He had done it all in his line of work and enjoyed it. He states a preference for females but at the end of the day it doesn't matter.

Alistair on the other hand was raised in a far more sheltered environment and was only romanceable by a female. It would be pretty easy to make a case that he should have had a race preference as well but with only 4 romances in DA:O that would have been difficult.

DA2 on the other hand had none of that. Your companions(other then varric/avaline) seemingly didn't have their own opinions on the matter. And this really bugs me. Real people have preferences. Some people have no restrictions, others might have restrictions based on gender, race, or possibly even details such as height, hair color, etc.

So because people other than the 4 Lis weren't screaming their preferences from the rooftops it means they don't have opinions on the matter? 

Course.

Please it's not you had about 8 companions.

Varric
Aveline
Carver
Bethany
Isabela
Fenris
Anders
Merrill
Sebastrian

Yes how dare 4 people not be restricted to a gender/race. I mean really the absurdity! Can we *not* use the OMG not realistic arguement. in DAO I could sleep with Alistair right after lol killing the elves and selling people into slavery.

Also according to yoru "he was raised in a chantry" logic one would think then he could concievably be restricted to humans. After all that's mostly what he was raised around right? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 décembre 2013 - 10:29 .

[Orian Tabris]

Navasha wrote...

One of these threads again...

Answer: No. But its realistic you say... well, no it isn't. In the real world you don't choose a romantic partner from a pool of only 4 possible choices. So the realism argument has already failed.

Not true. You can argue that all 4 possible choices just happen to be interested in the sort of character the player makes. Just because you have a restriction on the number of options, does not mean choosing a romance partner is unrealistic.

It's not like the options are mentioned in the game...

Inquisitor: "Hmm, let's see... I can romance [Romance possible companion 1] or [Romance possible companion 2]. But there's always [Romance possible companion 3]. Oh! And I am also able to romance [Romance possible companion 4]. So, there are only four of my companions who the choices I make as Inquisitor, will allow me to become romantically involved with."

[Ryzaki]

Orian Tabris wrote...
Not true. You can argue that all 4 possible choices just happen to be interested in the sort of character the player makes. Just because you have a restriction on the number of options, does not mean choosing a romance partner is unrealistic.

That's as for a lack of restrictions as against it you realize yes? I'm willing to bet my computer I can have a Qunari and a Human character act nearly identical in personality. Same way I could in Origins. (replace Qunari with dwarf or elf)

So unless they're only attracted to the PC because of his/her species there's plenty of overlap with personalities.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 décembre 2013 - 10:35 .

[Orian Tabris]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

In Mass Effect, I wouldn't date an alien.

In Dragon Age, I wouldn't date a non-human.

Why? Because I'm not into beastiality, and I'm not afraid to admit it.

Hanar... elves and dwarves are not beasts. Sure, they are of a different race to humans, but really, elves (ignoring the poor design in DA2) are just of a different/slightly different height, and had pointy ears, while dwarves were just short, stout humans.

*puts therapist glasses on* Hmmm... there seems to be an underlying reason you won't date someone who isn't considered "human," and I think it might be that a part of you is racist. Don't worry, you're only human. No one is perfect and pure, so it is understandable that you would have at least a minor racial opinion or preference.

[Leitner]

Ryzaki wrote...

So because people other than the 4 Lis weren't screaming their preferences from the rooftops it means they don't have opinions on the matter? 

Course.

Please it's not you had about 8 companions.

Varric
Aveline
Carver
Bethany
Isabela
Fenris
Anders
Merrill
Sebastrian

Yes how dare 4 people not be restricted to a gender/race. I mean really the absurdity! Can we *not* use the OMG not realistic arguement. in DAO I could sleep with Alistair right after lol killing the elves and selling people into slavery.

Also according to yoru "he was raised in a chantry" logic one would think then he could concievably be restricted to humans. After all that's mostly what he was raised around right? 

Even discounting that restricting based on race isn't very easily done in a game where you can only play a human then no it wouldn't be too terrible if DA2 had done something like Isabela/Anders are romanceable by either gender and Merrill is a male only romance and Fenris is a female only one. 

I already mentioned varric/aveline. Bethany and Carver are of course his siblings so god knows what sort of crap bioware would get in if they were romanceable. I suppose I did forget Sebastian but I never considered him too much of a party member as he can't join until act II and if I recall his romance is somewhat odd(never did it myself) 

And why should we not use the "realistic argument" Sure DA:O had things that were unrealistic(like Alistair potentially still romancing you even if you did things he would never agree with just because you gave him enough gifts) Does that mean we shouldn't strive for some realism in a game where story/character are very important factors? 

You are welcome to that opinion but I'd have to disagree entirely. As for Alistair sure it is concievable that he would only be interested in Humans or maybe Elves. Clearly this isn't the case but it is certainly doesn't require a huge stretch of the imagination to see why it could be.