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[Dreadstruck]

An interesting article about warrior women in the middle ages (posted on the Warhorse FB page).
Although, most of them seem to be nobles who really could get away with a bit more than a dirty peasant/commoner.

Noctis Augustus wrote...

Why the bloody fetish with the Medieval era? Every game is the same... Many people say they are tired of generic and cliche concepts, yet this is the most generic of them all.

If you say so.

Anything useful you wanna add to the topic or did you just wanted to come off as the spokesperson for the "many people said so!!"?

<_<

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 31 janvier 2014 - 01:34 .

[superdeathdealer14]

Noctis Augustus wrote...

Why the bloody fetish with the Medieval era? Every game is the same... Many people say they are tired of generic and cliche concepts, yet this is the most generic of them all.

What and be given another generic RPG with dragons and wizards? I would rather play this then most RPGs today, at least it's trying to be realistic instead of something like TES where you can take 10 arrows to the face and live.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Vort3xX wrote...

Well you're free to play your drm games if you wish ! but i'm sick of the annoying sh!t that's drm, it brings nothing but trouble and that's why i don't back them since i want to play when i want and where i want not run into daily error messages and losing connection in certain game that requires it being online, steam, uplay etc is tolerable at best.

They just said they are going to have DRM. Not what kind of DRM. You are raiging against DRM in general.

As someone who works in the software industry, I can tell you that piracy IS a problem and that the vast majority of people who rage agaisnt DRM are in fact, people who pirate stuff.

There is this ergocentric way of thinking that nothing matters except your own convenience, regardless of why something exists. Oh dear lord, you might have to activate your product. Oh, the HORROR! How will you ever live with that MINOR INCONVENIENCE?

Tell me, how about we do away with red traffic light because waiting bothers you?

[Noctis Augustus]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Noctis Augustus wrote...

Why the bloody fetish with the Medieval era? Every game is the same... Many people say they are tired of generic and cliche concepts, yet this is the most generic of them all.

If you say so.

Anything useful you wanna add to the topic or did you just wanted to come off as the spokesperson for the "many people said so!!"?

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Implying I was trying to be a spokesperson.

superdeathdealer14 wrote...
What and be given another generic RPG with dragons and wizards? I would rather play this then most RPGs today, at least it's trying to be realistic instead of something like TES where you can take 10 arrows to the face and live.

Dragons and wizards? How about castles and kings, medieval culture, medieval weapons, medieval engineering, medieval mentality...? See my point? Dragons and wizards are arbitrary, the elements that are almost always present are the medieval ones.

Modifié par Noctis Augustus, 31 janvier 2014 - 04:35 .

[AventuroLegendary]

So the initial character customization seems as deep as SMT4 (IE Aside from the name, non-existent). I don't mind playing a preset hero.

superdeathdealer14 wrote...

Noctis Augustus wrote...

Why the bloody fetish with the Medieval era? Every game is the same... Many people say they are tired of generic and cliche concepts, yet this is the most generic of them all.

What and be given another generic RPG with dragons and wizards? I would rather play this then most RPGs today, at least it's trying to be realistic instead of something like TES where you can take 10 arrows to the face and live.

I'm still waiting on info about recovery rates for both injury and disease. If my character can take a mace to the ribcage and be good as new the next day, the realism will lose its merit.

Modifié par LegendaryAvenger, 31 janvier 2014 - 04:49 .

[superdeathdealer14]

Noctis Augustus wrote...
Dragons and wizards? How about castles and kings, medieval culture, medieval weapons, medieval engineering, medieval mentality...? See my point? Dragons and wizards are arbitrary, the elements that are almost always present are the medieval ones.

I get your point about the whole medieval settings but you don't find that many games with a realisitc medieval setting.

[Dreadstruck]

Realistic is pushing it a bit. I'd say it's more of a semi-realistic (within the game boundaries) and authentic. And yes, I find that intriguing.

Dragons and wizards? How about castles and kings, medieval culture, medieval weapons, medieval engineering, medieval mentality...? See my point? Dragons and wizards are arbitrary, the elements that are almost always present are the medieval ones.

So you think medieval elements are cliché. That is fine by me but then you could also argue the same case in pretty much every possible theme. Modern shooters, racing games, fantasy, sci-fi... all boring, rehashed, generic, cliché, trope and repetition... I actually think if you did, then you wouldn't really enjoy any games or movies because of the lack of novelty.

Frankly, I find this game interesting solely because of the concept (an authentic/realistic approach on the 1403 Bohemia) that lacks any magical elements.
I also don't recall any studio having the balls to go with a similiar concept (M&B comes close), so who cares if it's swords and pikes again? If it's swords and pikes done right and differently, I'd gladly take it over the rest.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 31 janvier 2014 - 05:23 .

[Noctis Augustus]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Realistic is pushing it a bit. I'd say it's more of a semi-realistic (within the game boundaries) and authentic. And yes, I find that intriguing.

Dragons and wizards? How about castles and kings, medieval culture, medieval weapons, medieval engineering, medieval mentality...? See my point? Dragons and wizards are arbitrary, the elements that are almost always present are the medieval ones.

So you think medieval elements are cliché. That is fine by me but then you could also argue the same case in pretty much every possible theme. Modern shooters, racing games, fantasy, sci-fi... all boring, rehashed, generic, cliché, trope and repetition... but where is fun in that?

Frankly, I find this game interesting solely because of the concept (a realistic approach on the 1403 Bohemia).

I don't recall any studio having the balls to go with this concept (M&B comes close), so who cares if it's swords and pikes again? If it's swords and pikes done right and differently, I'd gladly take it over the rest.

I didn't say I wasn't interested in the game. The setting is not everything. The elements they plan to have in their game have their own merit. I'm actually looking forward to this game because of them. Even though the medieval setting will bother me, I'm sure.
For once I would appreciate if someone created a role-playing game set in the Classical era, fantasy or not. Either in Rome or Greece, I don't care. War, philosophy, theatre, political intrigue at it's best and the smart and beautifiul engineering. Imagine the possibilities.

Modifié par Noctis Augustus, 31 janvier 2014 - 06:17 .

[Nithrakis Arcanius]

There is a new update on character customization and it looks awesome. Not sure if this is just for NPCs or if the hero can be customized this much as well.

www.kickstarter.com/projects/1294225970/kingdom-come-deliverance/posts/736849

Modifié par Nithrakis Arcanius, 03 février 2014 - 04:28 .

[Dreadstruck]

EDIT: Curse you for ninja'ing me.

Liking the inventory customization so far. Can't wait to see what the modding community can do with this.

There is a new update on character customization and it looks awesome. Not sure if this is just for NPCs or if the hero can be customized this much as well.

Why wouldn't it be for the hero as well? He already said the 16 layers of clothing system is in for the main character as well. Unless you are talking about the face and body customization.

For once I would appreciate if someone created a role-playing game set
in the Classical era, fantasy or not. Either in Rome or Greece, I don't care. War, philosophy, theatre, political intrigue at it's best and the smart and beautifiul engineering. Imagine the possibilities.

Well, I find Middle Ages equally interesting but I can see your point. A 'realistic' Rome seen from the eyes of an citizen/legionnary/barbarian would be intriguing.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 03 février 2014 - 04:47 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

Nithrakis Arcanius wrote...

There is a new update on character customization and it looks awesome. Not sure if this is just for NPCs or if the hero can be customized this much as well.

www.kickstarter.com/projects/1294225970/kingdom-come-deliverance/posts/736849

"In this update Dan talks about the character customization system we have built on top of Cryengine sandbox. It allows us to create hundreds of different NPCs by few simple clicks. And of course, it also allows the players to customize their characters. We hope you are going to like it as much as we do!"

That's good news to me.

And if you look, the character they're customizing is clearly the trailer hero. The woman must be the female protagonist. So clearly we can customize their appearances. I love how they're taking notes from all the good CC's where you can customize the body.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 03 février 2014 - 06:19 .

[Nithrakis Arcanius]

OK, that's good. For some reason I was under the impression that you couldn't customize your character's facial features. I thought they were going the route of The Witcher with a set protagonist.

I guess it's still possible that they were referring to clothing only.

[mousestalker]

Avalla'ch wrote...

An [interesting article about warrior women in the middle ages (posted on the Warhorse FB page).
Although, most of them seem to be nobles who really could get away with a bit more than a dirty peasant/commoner.

Noctis Augustus wrote...

Why the bloody fetish with the Medieval era? Every game is the same... Many people say they are tired of generic and cliche concepts, yet this is the most generic of them all.

If you say so.

Anything useful you wanna add to the topic or did you just wanted to come off as the spokesperson for the "many people said so!!"?

<_<

It's more classist than anything. Clerics got written about a lot before the invention of the printing press, nobles only slightly less so. The peasantry was barely mentioned, despite being over ninety per cent of the population during most of history. The Church, theology and other religion related subjects got most of the attention because the clergy did the vast majority of the writing.

On the main topic, if they Kickstart I may give them some money once they approach the target for having a female protagonist and if and only if she is playable for the entire game. If she is playable only up until she rescues the guy then I'm not really interested.

Modifié par mousestalker, 04 février 2014 - 04:11 .

[Dreadstruck]

mousestalker wrote...
On the main topic, if they Kickstart I may give them some money once they approach the target for having a female protagonist and if and only if she is playable for the entire game. If she is playable only up until she rescues the guy then I'm not really interested.

They already said you can play as a woman only in the prologue/up until you save the main guy. I seriously doubt they would dedicate 1 million to a complete remake with a female character, but who knows.

Also people don't seem to understand one thing. This game has been meticulously planned so you can't just change the story or the main character to someone else without having massive ripple effects accomodating the said changes in the rest of the game.

I wouldn't mind, but if Dan wants to go with his original vision, I can still respect that.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 04 février 2014 - 12:58 .

[AventuroLegendary]

Making an entire campaign dedicated to a female character would take even more time, since they're aiming for realism. Meaning that the female PC would have to go through far more trials to even be comparable to the male PC, way more than killing bandits. This is the Holy Roman Empire, not Calradia.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Nithrakis Arcanius wrote...

OK, that's good. For some reason I was under the impression that you couldn't customize your character's facial features. I thought they were going the route of The Witcher with a set protagonist.

I guess it's still possible that they were referring to clothing only.

Well it's possible the character will be set to some degree. I imagine he'll be a protagonist akin to Commander Shepard. That's if he's a non-silent protagonist...

What that developer is saying about your armor/clothing actually getting dirty/rusty and covered in blood and requiring washing has me excited. I'm going to play as the most humblest of knights who is going to be running around with damaged plate armor and a surcoat ripped and covered in blood, too poor to afford repairs and too dedicated to stop and wash his surcoat. He'll be the hero of peasants and commoners everywhere. A knight with shining armor is a knight who has never been tested after-all...

I imagine that not washing your clothing may come with consequences though. Your charisma will probably decrease and characters with high status may note upon it.

I seriously cannot wait for this game.

Edit:



So the main character here is talking and calling himself "Henry" but keep in mind that this seems to be a old video. Things may have changed since then.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 04 février 2014 - 06:20 .

[Dreadstruck]

Henry? Well... there are worse names I suppose..
Also sounds a bit strange when he's saying those czech names(?) in English, but maybe that's just me.

BTW: Since this is Bohemia, I am gonna assume the czech equivalent is probably "Jindřich".

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 04 février 2014 - 08:21 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

~ "I'm Henry, son of the scalett's blacksmith. I watched as my family were torn pieces to pieces and now I scour the land for revenge. I will not rest until the men who murdered my family have tasted the steel of my...wait, why are you laughing Avalla'ch?"

~ "It's your name! You can't expect people to take you seriously with a name like Henry!"

~ "I'll have you know, knave, that England has seen a very fine line of kings with the name of Henry..."

Which is probably why they chose it. I imagine one of the endings is Henry becoming king or something. The name does mean "ruler" and what better way to have a story end than for the son of a lowly blacksmith to become king eh? That might be the way they're looking at it but if that is an ending then it's certainly not one I'd be choosing or aiming for as the first character I am planning to create.

Again though, it does look like it's from the early footage so it might not be set in stone. For all we know, we might be able to choose from a variety of names that the protagonist will voice. On another note: I do like the voice acting even if that's not set in stone. It sounds very authentic already.

And even if this a completely set protagonist in terms of name and such (where it seems we'll be able to customize their appearance in any case) we already know we can influence everything else. The role playing sounds like it'll be deep with the way we can play as anything from a charismatic rogue to a noble knight.

...which has got me wondering about how dialogue will work considering it's meant to be a big part of the system where "everything you say will be remembered" by NPC's.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 04 février 2014 - 08:42 .

[Dreadstruck]

Combat video!

[Nithrakis Arcanius]

Very nice.

[Nithrakis Arcanius]

"Living World" update

Modifié par Nithrakis Arcanius, 13 février 2014 - 06:57 .

[Nithrakis Arcanius]

 New update about the higher tier physical rewards (swords, coins, prints, etc).